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Fear of Martial Law Sparks Russian Exodus

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There's a danger that Putin may go full Trudeau on everyone -- I wonder what Justin will say in response?


Fear of martial law sparks Russian exodus​


Thousands of Russians are rushing to flee the country ahead of this weekend, as rumors swirl that Vladimir Putin could soon declare martial law, close the borders and crack down even harder on domestic dissent.

Why it matters: For as devastating as the humanitarian situation in Ukraine has become, widespread suffering is rapidly arriving at Russia's own doorstep.

More than 8,000 people have already been detained at anti-war protests since Feb. 24, according to the independent monitor OVD-Info.

  • Russia's Duma has passed a law making the spread of "fake news" about the Russian military punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
  • The last pillars of Russia's already-limited independent press were forced to close under pressure from the Kremlin this week.
  • Russia's state communications watchdog blocked the websites of the BBC, Voice of America, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Deutsche Welle and other foreign media outlets for spreading "fake" information.
What to watch: Russia's second-largest airline announced it will cease all international flights from tomorrow, as Russia's upper house of parliament meets for an emergency session that many fear could mark the descent of a new Iron Curtain.
 

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There's a danger that Putin may go full Trudeau on everyone -- I wonder what Justin will say in response?

Interesting.

Now when did Mr. Trudeau "declare martial law"?

Did you know that there is absolutely no provision for "martial law" under the laws of Canada?

On the other hand, <SARC>I did notice the lineups of millions of Canadians at the US border as they attempted to flee from Trudeau's fascist commie dictatorial usurpation of the Canadian government. In fact I believe the EXACT figure was 0.000001 millions.</SARC>
 
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There's a danger that Putin may go full Trudeau on everyone -- I wonder what Justin will say in response?

This was almost a Freudian slip, but luckily you turned it around! You almost criticized your boss, but then you made it about the Canadian PM instead.

(Stay away from windows above the first floor for your own sake)
 

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Trudeau? I don't even get this OP.
 

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Interesting.

Now when did Mr. Trudeau "declare martial law"?

Did you know that there is absolutely no provision for "martial law" under the laws of Canada?

On the other hand, <SARC>I did notice the lineups of millions of Canadians at the US border as they attempted to flee from Trudeau's fascist commie dictatorial usurpation of the Canadian government. In fact I believe the EXACT figure was 0.000001 millions.</SARC>

Certainly Trudeau declared martial law. Canada's Emergencies Act is the successor to its War Powers Act -- so there is no separate provision for martial law, since that's all encompassed by the Emergencies Act which Trudeau invoked.
 

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Trudeau is a trigger word in current Trumpist circles. That seems to be the extent of the OP's thought process.
Oh, so a throwaway thread in Breaking News. Seems their speed.
 

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Certainly Trudeau declared martial law. Canada's Emergencies Act is the successor to its War Powers Act -- so there is no separate provision for martial law, since that's all encompassed by the Emergencies Act which Trudeau invoked.


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Certainly Trudeau declared martial law. Canada's Emergencies Act is the successor to its War Powers Act -- so there is no separate provision for martial law, since that's all encompassed by the Emergencies Act which Trudeau invoked.
Oh, this is about the trucker convoy? Yeah, that went well, didn't it? 😂
 

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I have a friend in Finland who says they are arriving by the thousands, mostly by rail.
ohhhh - SNARKY THOUGHT WARNING -

Sort of like how the "von Trapp Family" escaped from Austria to Switzerland?
 

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South Park is much more intelligent than these people.
For some of them I'd be tempted to say that a parking lot is more intelligent than they were (in terms of percentage of available brainpower actually utilized).
 

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Certainly Trudeau declared martial law.
Nope.

When you have "martial law" you have government by the military (that is what the word "martial" in "martial law" indicates. That never happened.
Canada's Emergencies Act is the successor to its War Powers Act -- so there is no separate provision for martial law, since that's all encompassed by the Emergencies Act which Trudeau invoked.
Please refer me to the specific provisions of the Emergencies Act that authorizes "military government".

[NOTE - Please do not confuse sections which allow the CIVILIAN government to use the available military forces to enforce the regulations established by the CIVILIAN government with "military government".]

PS - The unfortunate thing that almost all of the members of "Claque Failed Casino Operator" fail to acknowledge is that there is actually such a thing as written law and that written law says what the words contained within it say (no more and no less) and that "the law" does NOT mean "The law is whatever I want it to be.".
 

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Nope.

When you have "martial law" you have government by the military (that is what the word "martial" in "martial law" indicates. That never happened.

Please refer me to the specific provisions of the Emergencies Act that authorizes "military government".

You have invoked the power to use the military. Trudeau didn't mobilize his military, but the Emergencies Act he invoked gave him the power to do so.

[NOTE - Please do not confuse sections which allow the CIVILIAN government to use the available military forces to enforce the regulations established by the CIVILIAN government with "military government".]

That's still martial law.

PS - The unfortunate thing that almost all of the members of "Claque Failed Casino Operator" fail to acknowledge is that there is actually such a thing as written law and that written law says what the words contained within it say (no more and no less) and that "the law" does NOT mean "The law is whatever I want it to be.".

now you're going to "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" :rolleyes:
 

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You have invoked the power to use the military.
True. The CIVILIAN government invoked its CIVILIAN government power to use the military in the manner provided by law.
Trudeau didn't mobilize his military, but the Emergencies Act he invoked gave him the power to do so.
That is theoretically true.

However, having the theoretical power to use the military to back up the CIVILIAN government is NOT the same thing as establishing a military government.

Did you know that EVERY "invocation" of the Emergency Powers Act in the US theoretically gives the US President the power to mobilize the US military? Did you know that the US has been under declared states of emergency for more than 20 years?

Has the US been under martial law for more than 20 years?
That's still martial law.
I REALLY suggest that you ACTUALLY do some research.
now you're going to "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" :rolleyes:
Only for those who don't really want to talk rationally and in a manner based on fact.

You used a specific technical term "martial law". That specific technical term has an established and specific meaning. You don't want it to have that meaning so you engage in "Humpty Dumptyism".
 

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True. The CIVILIAN government invoked its CIVILIAN government power to use the military in the manner provided by law.

which is martial law

That is theoretically true.

However, having the theoretical power to use the military to back up the CIVILIAN government is NOT the same thing as establishing a military government.

Did you know that EVERY "invocation" of the Emergency Powers Act in the US theoretically gives the US President the power to mobilize the US military? Did you know that the US has been under declared states of emergency for more than 20 years?

martial law refers to the cessation of normal constitutional rights and freedoms, and their replacement with strict police powers for imposing order

Has the US been under martial law for more than 20 years?

I REALLY suggest that you ACTUALLY do some research.

Only for those who don't really want to talk rationally and in a manner based on fact.

Trudeau behaved very high-handedly, invoking such extreme measures for a mere protest. He didn't even care enough to meet with the protesters. That shows what an anti-democratic person he is.
 

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ohhhh - SNARKY THOUGHT WARNING -

Sort of like how the "von Trapp Family" escaped from Austria to Switzerland?
You mean "the sound of music"? I'm not sure I understand the reference.
 

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which is martial law
No it isn't.
martial law refers to the cessation of normal constitutional rights and freedoms, and their replacement with strict police powers for imposing order
No it doesn't.
Trudeau behaved very high-handedly, invoking such extreme measures for a mere protest.
Worked.
He didn't even care enough to meet with the protesters.
Why would he meet with people whose sole demand was that they be given higher rights than anyone else in the world?
That shows what an anti-democratic person he is.
I don't "meet with" every idiot who wants to "meet with" me - and I never have.

Do you?
 

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You mean "the sound of music"? I'm not sure I understand the reference.
The most harrowing part of the "escape" that the von Trapp family made from Austria was the taxi ride from their home to the Vienna train station (where they boarded the train for Switzerland). The whole "fleeing through the mountains" bit is a Hollywood invention.
 
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