Boo Radley
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Please provide a legitimate link that this occurrence is happening on a widespread, consistent basis in the south now, as opposed to 30-40 years ago? Thanks.
gonna make this easy for you courtesy of dictionary.com
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you have no percentage, no share, no proportional part, in short, NO quota
You did a good job of proving him right. You should read your link.
When the total number of jobs or enrollment slots is fixed, this proportion may get translated to a specific number. In education, this kind of quota is also known as Numerus clausus.
Thanks for quoting that. Want to try again?
I'm still wondering how it sits okay with people that the court is telling FDNY how many people it has to hire that have a certain skin color or ethnic background.
Semantics aside, I mean.
The courts have awlays given remedy to wrongs. This is not new. And this is the only way the laws this type of thing, for a wrong shown in court. Now, the judge could be wrong about the injury or the specifics. But, let's nto paint it as something it isn't.
I'm still wondering how it sits okay with people that the court is telling FDNY how many people it has to hire that have a certain skin color or ethnic background.
Semantics aside, I mean.
The real question to be asked is ... why are there not more blacks and Hispanics in the FDNY? Such a service should reflect the communities it serves, but it seems it does not in New York... so why?
Why should the providers of a service reflect the community's demographics? It's not like black people are better at putting out the fires where other black people live. I think the service should just be provided adequately. I don't know the real reason why FDNY's demographics don't parallel New York's, but apparently some people think it's the entrance test, eh?
I'm wondering when courts are going to start forcing restaurants to hire bald, fat ugly men as hosts in decent restaurants. Because you know you'll only ever see hot chicks there when you walk in. "How many?" they ask. "As many as you want, girl." :lol:[/QUOTE
The idea that because a given sector of the population is underrepresented in a given situation does not necessarily mean that the entrance or promotion requirements are wrong. It just means that there are more of one group than another. There can be other reasons than discrimination. Possibly blacks do not want to be firemen. Maybe the education at their schools is lower, in which case the fault lies with the education system. There can be a host of reasons.
(2) Airlines have already been down that road.
The real question to be asked is ... why are there not more blacks and Hispanics in the FDNY? Such a service should reflect the communities it serves, but it seems it does not in New York... so why?
Is that what I'm doing? Admittedly I didn't fact check the link I posted, but I believe it said the court ordered them to go out and add 293 brown-colored folks to the payroll. That just seems uh...
Also, just a general reality check:
The only major premise potentially in play here which can reasonably be identified as racist...
is the notion that the normal hiring and promotion process-- without affirmative action or other proactive measures to address discrimination -- would magically NOT end up with discriminatory results reflecting larger societal patterns of discrimination.
The most common form of discrimination in employment is NOT intentional exclusion, but casual inclusion of the people one is already familiar and comfortable with (on several axes, include gender, "race", and class). Disparate impact upon various groups is manifest most often NOT from people going out of their way to keep certain people out, but by people failing to take conscientious measures to avoid favoring those they are already comfortable with.
Far from an obstacle to meritocratic hiring, the institution of affirmative action efforts and anti discrimination law are based upon the large body of empirical evidence confirming the fact that -- left to their own devices -- potential employers are neither inclined nor qualified to engage in the special preparations and considerations necessary to make a reasonable attempt at nondiscriminatory hiring.
In other words...completely without reference to intent, discrimination is the default result...while nondiscrimination takes an explicit effort.
That's why the above premise -- the premise that hiring and admissions before and/or without things like AA would be nondiscriminatory -- is racist: it implies that the typical arrangement of socioeconomic status, resources, and privileges before/without things like AA (which was, and still is, a case of some "races" being heavily privileged) was somehow a result of the privileged ACTUALLY being better or more qualified (as opposed to the fact that they have benefitted, and continue to benefit, from unearned and unsolicited advantages they still take for granted).
Why should the providers of a service reflect the community's demographics? It's not like black people are better at putting out the fires where other black people live. I think the service should just be provided adequately. I don't know the real reason why FDNY's demographics don't parallel New York's, but apparently some people think it's the entrance test, eh?
I'm wondering when courts are going to start forcing restaurants to hire bald, fat ugly men as hosts in decent restaurants. Because you know you'll only ever see hot chicks there when you walk in. "How many?" they ask. "As many as you want, girl." :lol:
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