FBI to Investigate Trump Related to Assassination Attempt

[MAGAnificent]

A full and proper medical report from the attending physician would be helpful. Trump should have released that to the public but for certain the FBI have it.

that would be up to Trump considering Hippa laws.

 

[MAGAnificent]

What part of Wray's statement, i.e. 'Trump's ear was hit by shrapnel', is this unfamiliar to you 'truth' that you are referring to?


It was a partisan and inaccurate, if not dishonest, statement from Wray, clearly.
After all:

FBI says Trump was indeed struck by bullet during assassination attempt

The FBI says former President Donald Trump was struck in the ear by a bullet during an assassination attempt on July 13, as the agency moved Friday to clarify what happened after nearly two weeks of confusion and conflicting accounts.

apnews.com

Or do you now believe that AP doesn't report the truth either?

Yep. I make it a point never to take Wray's first statements seriously. In the same interview he was asked if he noticed Biden's cognitive decline and he said he did not.

 

[Callen]

What part of Wray's statement, i.e. 'Trump's ear was hit by shrapnel', is this unfamiliar to you 'truth' that you are referring to?


It was a partisan and inaccurate, if not dishonest, statement from Wray, clearly.
After all:

FBI says Trump was indeed struck by bullet during assassination attempt

The FBI says former President Donald Trump was struck in the ear by a bullet during an assassination attempt on July 13, as the agency moved Friday to clarify what happened after nearly two weeks of confusion and conflicting accounts.

apnews.com

Or do you now believe that AP doesn't report the truth either?

From the link......“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” ie shrapnel

 

[Callen]

that would be up to Trump considering Hippa laws.

if you notice in my post I said "Trump should have released" As far as the FBI, I am not so sure they would need a HIPA release when investigating a criminal shooting.

 

[MAGAnificent]

From the link......“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” ie shrapnel

You are really desperate to claim shrapnel, huh? Libruls wanting to play down the attempt on Trump's life claim it was shrapnel kicked up from the bullet hitting something else first.

 

[Threegoofs]

Don't make any assumptions or presumptions. Mr. Wray made an unfounded "suggestion" casting doubt on the cause of Trump's wound.

FBI Director Says There's 'Some Question' Over What Struck Trump's Ear

Christopher Wray suggested that investigators aren't sure "whether or not it's a bullet or shrapnel" that hit Donald Trump in his recent assassination attempt.

www.huffpost.com

Forum members including myself responded properly.

Trump Hit By Bullet—Not Shrapnel—Former Doctor Says

Speculation has gained traction in recent days that former President Donald Trump may not have been hit by a bullet, but by shrapnel, during an assassination attempt earlier this month.

www.forbes.com

The butthurt is palpable here.

How dare someone suggest Trump isn’t a martyr?

 

[Callen]

You are really desperate to claim shrapnel, huh? Libruls wanting to play down the attempt on Trump's life claim it was shrapnel kicked up from the bullet hitting something else first.

Why on earth would I be desperate to claim shrapnel? Whether a bullet or shrapnel doesn't change the fact it was an assassination attempt that damn near killed him! There is no attempt by me to minimize the attempt, quite the opposite!

 

[jpevans]

https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-wants-...g-injury-assassination-attempt-report-1930517


Bottom line, based on the Wray testimony before congress and this report it appears that the FBI believes Trump made the whole thing up and is now investigating him for falsification of injuries and election interference.

Of course you read it that way. Weird….

 

[Lutherf]

I am believing the shrapnel part...damage from a .223 would be massive....take his ear off massive.. No one is saying there wasn't an attempt on his life (there are some CT's out there that think he set the whole thing up, but I am not talking about those folks...even they aren't saying it didn't happen.)

See, that's your problem. You really have no idea how ballistic damage to a thin flap of soft tissue works, you speculate based on horror stories (exaggerated ones) you've heard about how a 5.56 round blows babies up, and now believe that the round would have taken Trump's ear off. That's just wrong but you're going to believe it anyway because it's what you want to believe and it makes you feel good about yourself.

The "it would have ripped his ear off" theories and the "shrapnel" are ridiculous. Shrapnel would have required the projectile to hit a hard object. We have seen ZERO evidence that anything other than people got hit and we saw the ****ing incident! It wasn't shrapnel and Wray only said that because he's trying to feed the masses a narrative that turns them from Trump. It was a political hit by Wray.

 

[US&THEM]

See, that's your problem. You really have no idea how ballistic damage to a thin flap of soft tissue works, you speculate based on horror stories (exaggerated ones) you've heard about how a 5.56 round blows babies up, and now believe that the round would have taken Trump's ear off. That's just wrong but you're going to believe it anyway because it's what you want to believe and it makes you feel good about yourself.

The "it would have ripped his ear off" theories and the "shrapnel" are ridiculous. Shrapnel would have required the projectile to hit a hard object. We have seen ZERO evidence that anything other than people got hit and we saw the ****ing incident! It wasn't shrapnel and Wray only said that because he's trying to feed the masses a narrative that turns them from Trump. It was a political hit by Wray.

That is fine let’s agree it was the bullet. Where did that bullet end up at?

 

[Airyaman]

See, that's your problem. You really have no idea how ballistic damage to a thin flap of soft tissue works, you speculate based on horror stories (exaggerated ones) you've heard about how a 5.56 round blows babies up, and now believe that the round would have taken Trump's ear off. That's just wrong but you're going to believe it anyway because it's what you want to believe and it makes you feel good about yourself.

The "it would have ripped his ear off" theories and the "shrapnel" are ridiculous. Shrapnel would have required the projectile to hit a hard object. We have seen ZERO evidence that anything other than people got hit and we saw the ****ing incident! It wasn't shrapnel and Wray only said that because he's trying to feed the masses a narrative that turns them from Trump. It was a political hit by Wray.

 

[eohrnberger]

See, that's your problem. You really have no idea how ballistic damage to a thin flap of soft tissue works, you speculate based on horror stories (exaggerated ones) you've heard about how a 5.56 round blows babies up, and now believe that the round would have taken Trump's ear off. That's just wrong but you're going to believe it anyway because it's what you want to believe and it makes you feel good about yourself.

The "it would have ripped his ear off" theories and the "shrapnel" are ridiculous. Shrapnel would have required the projectile to hit a hard object. We have seen ZERO evidence that anything other than people got hit and we saw the ****ing incident! It wasn't shrapnel and Wray only said that because he's trying to feed the masses a narrative that turns them from Trump. It was a political hit by Wray.

This an example of how little logical thinking is shown by the left, and how their thinking is all emotion based.

 

[Lutherf]

That is fine let’s agree it was the bullet. Where did that bullet end up at?

Unless it hit an object past Trump it's on the ground and you'd need a metal detector to find it. You'd have to recreate the trajectory from the shooters position but, since it was a slight downward shot, probably within 50 yards of where Trump was standing.

 

[Lutherf]

You can't differentiate between hyperbole and a bald faced lie? People exaggerate bad shit that happens to them all the time.

 

[Airyaman]

You can't differentiate between hyperbole and a bald faced lie? People exaggerate bad shit that happens to them all the time.

So which was it, hyperbole or bald faced lie? I'm going with the latter, because going from a scratch to "half blown off ear" is some of the wildest hyperbole imaginable.

My cat just stuck a claw in me a few minutes ago as I was playing with her. It resulted in a small puncture and a drop of blood.

"My cat just ripped off part of my hand!" Hyperbole or bald-faced lie?

 

[US&THEM]

Unless it hit an object past Trump it's on the ground and you'd need a metal detector to find it. You'd have to recreate the trajectory from the shooters position but, since it was a slight downward shot, probably within 50 yards of where Trump was standing.

There were 2 very seriously wounded and 1 killed. The ear being grazed is the luckiest wound one could ask for.

 

[Lutherf]

There were 2 very seriously wounded and 1 killed. The ear being grazed is the luckiest wound one could ask for.

That's true. If I have to get shot at some point I'll take the Trump version over the other three.

 

[Lutherf]

So which was it, hyperbole or bald faced lie? I'm going with the latter, because going from a scratch to "half blown off ear" is some of the wildest hyperbole imaginable.

My cat just stuck a claw in me a few minutes ago as I was playing with her. It resulted in a small puncture and a drop of blood.

"My cat just ripped off part of my hand!" Hyperbole or bald-faced lie?

Y'know, we learn the hyperbole thing at a very young age. It's a mechanism to get attention. Kids do it so they get a kiss on the boo-boo or a smiley face on a band-aid. Adults do it because it gets then sympathy. Ask any married woman how when she's sick she still has to get dinner and take carre of the kids but her husband with a headache? That's damned near the end of the world for him.

 

[PoS]

What part of Wray's statement, i.e. 'Trump's ear was hit by shrapnel', is this unfamiliar to you 'truth' that you are referring to?


It was a partisan and inaccurate, if not dishonest, statement from Wray, clearly.
After all:

FBI says Trump was indeed struck by bullet during assassination attempt

The FBI says former President Donald Trump was struck in the ear by a bullet during an assassination attempt on July 13, as the agency moved Friday to clarify what happened after nearly two weeks of confusion and conflicting accounts.

apnews.com

Or do you now believe that AP doesn't report the truth either?

What did you expect? Libs believe Trump staged his own assassination attempt.

 

[eohrnberger]

What did you expect? Libs believe Trump staged his own assassination attempt.

True, some have expressed this piece of ridiculous CT.

My guess is had it gained traction, proven itself to be popular, it would have been endlessly parroted, on every left leaning venue (including and especially here) pushing it to become the Democrat / Liberal / Progressive's version of 'the accepted truth', i.e. yet another Democrat / Liberal / Progressive myth is born.

 

[Buckeyes85]

The consistent prudent legal advice is to never talk to LEO without representation present.

Or are you asserting that this isn't prudent legal advice which has a public record of always being given?

I don't know what that 2nd question means so I can't answer.
And while I would recommend legal counsel before talking to law enforcement, particularly if you are like Flynn and you have something to hide and feel compelled to lie about it to cover for your boss, you suggest the only thing he did wrong was talk to the FBI without representation.

No, the primary thing he did wrong was to lie to the FBI as part of their investigation. Do you need legal counsel to tell you: the FBI is authorized to ask you questions about their investigation, and when you talk to them, don't lie?
That's a rhetorical question of course because in Trump's sphere, of course it's necessary to remind his people not to lie to law enforcement.

 

[Rexedgar]

From the link......“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” ie shrapnel

Wasn’t there a clear line of sight from the roof to the podium?

That statement is very direct.

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't know what that 2nd question means so I can't answer.
And while I would recommend legal counsel before talking to law enforcement, particularly if you are like Flynn and you have something to hide and feel compelled to lie about it to cover for your boss, you suggest the only thing he did wrong was talk to the FBI without representation.

Not at all. All I saying is that Flynn gave the FBI the opening for them to screw him, and they did.

With representation, the pertinent information probably could have been communicated without getting himself screwed by the FBI's entrapment.

. . .​

U.S. Attorney Timothy Shea quoted that statement in his brief about the Flynn case filed Thursday to seek the dismissal of the charges, along with the notes of the FBI agents that also have since come to light.​

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In those materials, the investigators appear to wonder what they're doing preparing to interview Flynn.​

​

"What is our goal — truth, admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired?" one note read. Another says: "[White House] will be furious" and "protect our institution by not playing games."​

​

Flynn's attorneys fought to get this material unsealed after their dealings with the government soured. They call it the basis for their claim that the FBI effectively entrapped him.​

Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Why Is The Justice Department Dropping The Charges?

Fate and politics have rewarded decisions made by the former national security adviser and his legal team, ultimately delivering him from legal jeopardy after a years-long odyssey.

www.npr.org

Further supported by:

The Justice Department on Thursday moved to drop its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in a stunning development that comes after internal memos were released raising serious questions about the nature of the investigation that led to Flynn’s late 2017 guilty plea of lying to the FBI.​

​

The announcement came in a court filing "after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information," as the department put it. DOJ officials said they concluded that Flynn's interview by the FBI was "untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn" and that the interview was "conducted without any legitimate investigative basis."​

DOJ drops case against Michael Flynn, in wake of internal memo release

The Justice Department on Thursday moved to drop its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in a stunning development that comes after internal memos were released raising serious questions about the nature of the investigation that led to Flynn’s late 2017 guilty plea of...

www.foxnews.com

The FBI management, Comey in particular, was playing politics, entrapping someone of the political opposition, given that their 'interview' of Flynn 'was "conducted without any legitimate investigative basis." '

No, the primary thing he did wrong was to lie to the FBI as part of their investigation. Do you need legal counsel to tell you: the FBI is authorized to ask you questions about their investigation, and when you talk to them, don't lie?

Are you are asserting that the FBI entrapping people is OK?

That's a rhetorical question of course because in Trump's sphere, of course it's necessary to remind his people not to lie to law enforcement.

Partisan blather.

 

[mike2810]

They may not have a choice if Harris doesn't crush him in the polls. It's all about saving democracy, y'know.

the FBI does not arrest people without a warrant. Does Trump have an outstanding arrest warrant?

 

[US&THEM]

the FBI does not arrest people without a warrant. Does Trump have an outstanding arrest warrant?

T

Not at all. All I saying is that Flynn gave the FBI the opening for them to screw him, and they did.

With representation, the pertinent information probably could have been communicated without getting himself screwed by the FBI's entrapment.

. . .​

U.S. Attorney Timothy Shea quoted that statement in his brief about the Flynn case filed Thursday to seek the dismissal of the charges, along with the notes of the FBI agents that also have since come to light.​

​

In those materials, the investigators appear to wonder what they're doing preparing to interview Flynn.​

​

"What is our goal — truth, admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired?" one note read. Another says: "[White House] will be furious" and "protect our institution by not playing games."​

​

Flynn's attorneys fought to get this material unsealed after their dealings with the government soured. They call it the basis for their claim that the FBI effectively entrapped him.​

Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Why Is The Justice Department Dropping The Charges?

Fate and politics have rewarded decisions made by the former national security adviser and his legal team, ultimately delivering him from legal jeopardy after a years-long odyssey.

www.npr.org

Further supported by:

The Justice Department on Thursday moved to drop its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in a stunning development that comes after internal memos were released raising serious questions about the nature of the investigation that led to Flynn’s late 2017 guilty plea of lying to the FBI.​

​

The announcement came in a court filing "after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information," as the department put it. DOJ officials said they concluded that Flynn's interview by the FBI was "untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn" and that the interview was "conducted without any legitimate investigative basis."​

DOJ drops case against Michael Flynn, in wake of internal memo release

The Justice Department on Thursday moved to drop its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in a stunning development that comes after internal memos were released raising serious questions about the nature of the investigation that led to Flynn’s late 2017 guilty plea of...

www.foxnews.com

The FBI management, Comey in particular, was playing politics, entrapping someone of the political opposition, given that their 'interview' of Flynn 'was "conducted without any legitimate investigative basis." '


Are you are asserting that the FBI entrapping people is OK?


Partisan blather.

The Tim Shea got tossed out of the job by the Federal Judges, they all voted he couldn't be a temp US Attorney. That should make you have a better understanding of the BS he pulled.