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FBI quietly changed violent crime data to show increase, not decrease, from 2021 to 2022

PoS said:
So you admit you lied then. I always knew the truth about you would come out.
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You’d think with 24 hours you’d come up with something better than lying about lying. Maybe I expect too much from you with being told you’re someone who used to be a writer?
 
TangoNoCash said:
You’d think with 24 hours you’d come up with something better than lying about lying. Maybe I expect too much from you with being told you’re someone who used to be a writer?
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You already admitted you lied, so trying to weasel your way out of a self ownage is funny.
 
MSgt said:
Statistics like these often get changed over the course of time as definitions change and as inventory gets updated. This does not change the well understood trend. Violent crime is down across the country and the murder rate is plunging.

But I find it hilarious that you people actually think that the moment a person is elected that crime rates, and economy, or whatever, simply turns a corner to the good or to the bad. As if the new President makes a call, or flips a secret switch. President inherit ongoing systems. Ongoing trends. Policies, the absence of policies, legislation, and the absence of legislation affects systems and trends. Why you people always seem to want absolutely everything to be about a politician is beyond me. Crime rates are down because society has made it so, not because a single person put on his Harry Potter hat and waved a wand, or put on his Batman cape and hit the streets.

Seeing all the world as against you is the price you pay for allowing right-wing propaganda infect your brains.
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All true!

Now if the administration didn't try to rush out this information in an attempt to paint themselves as 'good' or better, we wouldn't then need to argue against the information being incomplete...
This was 'fact' checked in a debate for chrissakes ... and now all that water under the bridge is supposed to just be forgotten in some sort of mea culpa ...

The bottom line here is "don't tout information that will come back to bite you in the ass when incomplete, or faulty"
 
Cope said:
All true!

Now if the administration didn't try to rush out this information in an attempt to paint themselves as 'good' or better, we wouldn't then need to argue against the information being incomplete...
This was 'fact' checked in a debate for chrissakes ... and now all that water under the bridge is supposed to just be forgotten in some sort of mea culpa ...

The bottom line here is "don't tout information that will come back to bite you in the ass when incomplete, or faulty"
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There is zero likelihood the so-called fact checkers will even admit their mistake. The chance they will admit Trump's objection to the phony statistic is spot on is even more remote.
 
PoS said:
You already admitted you lied, so trying to weasel your way out of a self ownage is funny.
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Where is the lie? You make accusations but you can’t back them up. All in all just another typical day at DP where imagination rules the day.
 
A) Never trust any numbers that come from any level of government
B) Crime stats are problematic because large cities are under reporting due to technical issues with using the FBIs new systems. States and Cities are slow to convert and its a low priority.
 
Napoleon said:
Turns out Trump was right and the “fact checkers” were wrong. From crime to employment…these aren’t small corrections. What’s the deal with agencies fabricating favorable statistics for Biden/Harris?

FBI quietly changed violent crime data to show increase, not decrease, from 2021 to 2022

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What a bunch of nonsense. What quietly changed from 2021 to 20022 was how the FBI collects crime data for its Uniform Crime Report - UCR. Previously many agencies were unable to submit data to the FBI and only 65% of the United States’ population was covered by the 2021 UCR. The FBI has since solved that problem. In 2022, 93.5% of the population was covered by the UCR and in 2023, 95.2% was covered. For this reason, the FBI says the 2021 UCR data should not be compared to other years. So as usual, you are making much ado about nothing to distort the facts to fit your version of the truth.

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TangoNoCash said:
Where is the lie? You make accusations but you can’t back them up. All in all just another typical day at DP where imagination rules the day.
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Post #201. You cant live with facts and the truth, but we know that already.
 
PoS said:
Post #201. You cant live with facts and the truth, but we know that already.
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Post 201 has a baseless accusation. You claimed I lied. Prove Jim Comey didn’t reopen the Hillary Clinton investigation just before the election. You can’t because it happened yet you continue to call me a liar over it. Either post your proof or stop harassing me with lies. Your lie is knowingly malicious and dishonest. Stop it.

I’ll even add a touch of kindness and link to the event that happened for you in the off chance you actually don’t remember it happened and are unable to look anything up on your own.

With just 11 days to go until November 8, FBI Director James Comey’s decision to disclose the investigation could affect the election. The timing raises two important questions: What was his legal obligation to provide the public with information on this investigation, if any, and what could happen to him as a result of his choice?
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www.theatlantic.com

Can the FBI Sway an Election?

The agency is investigating more emails related to Hillary Clinton. Whether or not it finds something in the next 11 days, its announcement could affect the outcome on November 8.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

There really has to be something better for you to do with your time. Think about it.
 
Slartibartfast said:
Yes, there was violent crime increases that were associated with COVID and its lingering effects.
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LOL!

Do you give Trump the same benefit of the doubt with regard to the challenges of covid in his last year?
 
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If any of the "false accusations" in this thread were actually true then the FPI simply would not have updated the data. The very fact that they did is the proof that all of the accusations from the right are BS. If their intent was a cover up they would have simply continued this supposed cover up. The FBI often update their statistics as new data comes in. Of course the right presents this as a "cover up" but of course offer no proof whatsoever to support the accusations. But then they never do.
 
Corbell said:
trump knew more than the professional law enforcement, about crime
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This is the stupidest thing I have seen all day.

And I have seen some stupid shit today.
 
Luce said:
This is the stupidest thing I have seen all day.

And I have seen some stupid shit today.
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He was right, and the professionals were wrong. And they just admitted it.

So, you are denyhing reality.
 
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Corbell said:
He was right, and the professionals were wrong. And they just admitted it.

So, you are denyhing reality.
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Exactly what are you saying they admitted? Don't just give us right wing opinion. Just give us actual verifiable facts. And as you do this don't leave out whatever verifiable facts that just don't fit what you want.
 
Mike1950 said:
Exactly what are you saying they admitted? Don't just give us right wing opinion. Just give us actual verifiable facts. And as you do this don't leave out whatever verifiable facts that just don't fit what you want.
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All covered earlier in the thread.
 
Corbell said:
All covered earlier in the thread.
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Actually it wasn't. Most of it is pure speculation. The facts are that the FBI got additional data and entered it and reissued the report. Everything else is just pure speculation. In fact from the very beginning the made up stuff was mixed right into the facts. There wasn't even an effort to state the facts first and then speculate as to what they might mean second. It was all presented as one little "package".
Also the accusations don't even make sense if there was a cover up why would the FPI even update the database? Why would they end the "cover up" now.



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Mike1950 said:
Actually it wasn't. Most of it is pure speculation. The facts are that the FBI got additional data and entered it and reissued the report. Everything else is just pure speculation. In fact from the very beginning the made up stuff was mixed right into the facts. There wasn't even an effort to state the facts first and then speculate as to what they might mean second. It was all presented as one little "package".
Also the accusations don't even make sense if there was a cover up why would the FPI even update the database? Why would they end the "cover up" now.
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Don't expect to get an answer to your question. If I may make a play on the old "you can lead a horse to water" idiom. - You can lead a Trumper towards logic, but you can't make him think.
 
Corbell said:
He was right, and the professionals were wrong. And they just admitted it.

So, you are denyhing reality.
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No, he wasn't. The trend lines still show that violent crime is decreasing, not increasing. The FBI improved the data collection system where 60% of the agencies were previously able to transmit their data to the FBI to where 90 to 95% of the agencies can now transmit their data. That's a whopping 30 to 35% percent increase in just one year! And of course, this resulted in increasing the sample size by a significant margin. So that year is a statistical outlier compared to other years because of this change in the methodology and that's why it should not be used for comparison.
 
Atomic Kid said:
No, he wasn't. The trend lines still show that violent crime is decreasing, not increasing. The FBI improved the data collection system where 60% of the agencies were previously able to transmit their data to the FBI to where 90 to 95% of the agencies can now transmit their data. That's a whopping 30 to 35% percent increase in just one year! And of course, this resulted in increasing the sample size by a significant margin. So that year is a statistical outlier compared to other years because of this change in the methodology.
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So, teh year that showed crime increasing, was an outlier? That the fbi initially got wrong?


And who got it right? Trump.
 
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