People are contractually obligated to pay back their student loans. They signed the promissory note. Not the same situation as Bundy; in fact, it's not even in the same ballpark.
No, it is the exact same ball park. When Bundy places his property (cattle) on public pasturage, he is contractually obligated to pay for that pasturage. In fact, he cant place his cattle there legally with out first entering into a contract.
Unlike the Occupiers, Bundy's form theft allows him to occupy the pasturage with out paying for it. Meanwhile, the poor lerftist Occupiers are at a disadvantage because they generally cant get accepted into a University with out having the tuition up front.
Wait a minute, what if the Occupiers pull a "Bundy"- Occupy the classrooms of a public university, threaten violence if they are ordered to leave, and then consume that recesource with out paying for it.... .?
All of that is true, but irrelevant to whether Bundy should pay grazing fees.
People are contractually obligated to pay back their student loans. They signed the promissory note. Not the same situation as Bundy; in fact, it's not even in the same ballpark.
He did contract to pay his grazing fees.
He's like all of the freeloaders in the country, from the welfare queens to the corporate takers of bailouts. He's really no different from a renter who won't pay rent and is fighting eviction.
What contract did Bundy sign?
If this is your argument, why stop at student loans? Why not make the argument that none of us should have to pay our mortgages back because Bundy grazes his cattle on govermment land?
Well, if they have an enforcable contract that he signed agreeing to pay them $x per year, then they should go after him as any lender would. I was addressing the notion that the student loan holders should be off the hook because nobody has done anything to Bundy. As I said, I don't really care one way or another about him.
lol why do you care if only some people carry their weight? How about everyone does?Absolutely, but what does that have to do with Bundy?
lol why do you care if only some people carry their weight? How about everyone does?
The fact that he did not sign a contract does not mean he is not stealing. At the end of the day, Bundy is taking something that does not belong to him.What contract did Bundy sign?
Contracts don't work that way, so you have a good point.
The fact that he did not sign a contract does not mean he is not stealing. At the end of the day, Bundy is taking something that does not belong to him.
Can I enter classrooms at the University of Texas at Arlington to study for a degree. Then refuse to leave, and also refuse to pay tuition because I never signed a "contract"?
I imagine I would be laughed at- then arrested.You can go to UT if you want, and then refuse to leave and not pay your tuition. If you say "I'm here because of Clive Bundy", let me know how it works out.
There is a contract, just as any user of public lands has a contract. Yes, they should go after him. The student loan holders also have contracts, and shouldn't be off the hook. No, if the government doesn't hold Bundy to a contract, then that doesn't mean that they can't hole the student loan holders to theirs. Contracts don't work that way, so you have a good point.
I imagine I would be laughed at- then arrested.
I would also bet that thousands of enraged right wingers would assume that I was a leftist freeloader, and would call for my head. Of course, right wing free loaders are an entirely different matter...
The fact that he did not sign a contract does not mean he is not stealing. At the end of the day, Bundy is taking something that does not belong to him.
Can I enter classrooms at the University of Texas at Arlington to study for a degree. Then refuse to leave, and also refuse to pay tuition because I never signed a "contract"?
I don't know of many right wingers who think we should en masse decline paying back our contractual debts.
I am beginning to suspect that many rigth wingers are in favor of free loading- so long as the free loaders are right wing.
For example:
- Leftist occupiers who dont want to repay their contractual debts (tuition).... . Bad, very bad.
-Right wing occupiers who refuse to sign a contract, then go on to sieze public recesources (pasturage).... . Good guys- so long as they use right wing talking points.
As a side note, the Mexicans have been dealing with hundreds of thousands of leftist "Bundys" at the University of Mexico City. Its been occupied for generations by professional students who refuse to sign tuition contracts, then go on to sieze the recesources anyways.
If one either tries to force them to sign a contract, or evicts them, they threaten violence. There have been riots, and some of the leftists have access to weapons. Oh yeah, the Mexican leftist Bundys also have the tacit support of marxist politicians who egg them on. Left wing or right wing, "Bundys" tend to bankrupt nations.
Yes, that is how it needs to work. If people started going "Bundy" (refuse to sign a contract, and then sieze the receources), the system would collapse.I don't know how it works at UT-Arlington, but at other institutions, attendance is checked at least for the first few weeks, and if a student isn't on the roster, he/she can't remain in class. If the student refused to leave, the campus cops would haul him off. And students are dropped for non-payment.
I am not interested in his as an individual. I am very interested in him as a concept. We just cant afford to have alot of Bundys refusing to sign contracts for public recesources and then siezing them.I think you're more interested in Bundy than I am.
So, here it comes....Round 2.
And in true authoritarian style, a full propaganda effort will accompany the suppression of any possible uprising to ensure that the sheep soaking up the reports will know who "the bad guy" is supposed to be....
Remember Orwell.....OBEY!
I am not interested in his as an individual. I am very interested in him as a concept. We just cant afford to have alot of Bundys refusing to sign contracts for public recesources and then siezing them.
As I mentioned earlier, the Mexicans now have about a hundred thousand Bundy student in Mexico City:
-wont sign a contract for use of the public recesources
-sieze the recesource anyways
-Threaten violence if told "no".
-get encouraged by some politicians (in this case, leftists ones).
I'd be more interested in the Bundy concept if I thought it was widescale, causing some major issues for our country, and was going to lead to something that will negatively impact me.
Mexican stories are cool, but they're also irrelevant. The US government needs to address Bundy or not address him. The issue is overdiscussed.
Where you care if people repay their school loans but don't care if someone doesn't pay to use federal resources to make a moving.No clue what this means, or where you got that from my posts.
Where you care if people repay their school loans but don't care if someone doesn't pay to use federal resources to make a moving.
Repaying your student loans is fulfilling a contractual obligation. It has nothing to do with pulling your weight.
"Make a moving...?"
By the way, I also don't lose sleep when people camp in the White Mountains of NH and don't slip the fee for their campsite in the box when they pull in, and it probably happens all the time. Maybe you have more time on your hands than I do to worry about things like this.
I think its unfortunate that armed citizens showed up to support Bundy, who likely is in the wrong, such actions would have far better served justice had folks showed up with such support in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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