FBI Evidence Proves Innocence of Tsarnaev (Boston Bomber)

[Bob0627]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's backpack (which was white)

Tamerlan's backpack (which was black)

So the exploded backpack could not have belonged to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev then. Yeah that's obvious.

the government - you know, those folks who lie and make false accusations all the time.

Yeah most of us are quite familiar with that.

 

[braindrain]

I have long been ambivalent on the BB case, but understanding that there were a number of irregularities. Especially the photos of those 2 guys from Craft (Kraft?) International, the mercenary group.

That the FBI Lab would concoct or make things up? That's happened before.

The 2 brothers were probably patsies of the FBI, just as their mother claimed.

Do you have any proof that there were two guys from Kraft international.

Wait please don't tell me you think they are the only military type organization to use the punisher skull logo.

 

[mike2810]

As I mentioned in my first post on this subject Mike, I've been ambivalent on this matter.

But, there are many highly irregular events associated with it, and my old buddy, The Detail Man at Woody Blog, has been exposing all sorts of inconsistent details that never made the mainstream media. Frankly, I really don't care who did it. From time to time I experience a sort of fatigue regarding government sponsored criminal acts.

To refresh your memory, it was Woody who pointed out the ACARS data regarding 93, and the multiple use of callsign UA175 at BOS. Both those findings came from a 'fine tooth comb' examination of data and records provided by the government.

If you say so HD. Please provide the link to the specific site in which Wood has presented this insight.

To refresh your memory Woody has been shown not to be correct in many areas he has posted. eace

 

[Mark F]

So the exploded backpack could not have belonged to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev then. Yeah that's obvious.

Yeah most of us are quite familiar with that.

Hey, you are the one who posted the dishonest and misleading OP - and yet you have the nerve to accuse others of being the liars!

 

[Bob0627]

Hey, you are the one who posted the dishonest and misleading OP

I posted from a site that is not lock step aligned with the US government. You don't like it? Tough.

- and yet you have the nerve to accuse others of being the liars!

I tell it like it is, you can't help yourself, it's the only way you know how to try to convince others that the only mentality is to be a government stooge. Any independent thought is irrational.

 

[Mark F]

I posted from a site that is not lock step aligned with the US government. You don't like it? Tough.



I tell it like it is, you can't help yourself, it's the only way you know how to try to convince others that the only mentality is to be a government stooge. Any independent thought is irrational.

You posted BS without doing the slightest amount of fact-checking. You gobbled it up hook, line and sinker because it told you what you wanted to hear. This is a process we see repeated over and over again. Rather than posting your own ideas you copy and paste someone else's lies and BS without a critical thought. Then when the BS is exposed, you resort to your usual tactics of derail, evasion and ad hominem - anything to avoid actually addressing the you posted BS. Do you admit what you posted is BS? Nope, never. You don't even make excuses. You just try derail, evade and insult.

You are not genuinely interested in the truth, in what actually happened. You never have been. If you were you wouldn't uncritically post every piece of crap you find on the web then cry that its the other guys who are the liars. :roll:

 

[Bob0627]

You posted BS

Everything I post is BS to you. I'll take that as a compliment coming from you.

 

[Thoreau72]

If you say so HD. Please provide the link to the specific site in which Wood has presented this insight.

To refresh your memory Woody has been shown not to be correct in many areas he has posted. eace

Oh really Mike? Would you follow your own advice and standard and provide a link that substantiates exactly how Woody has been shown to be incorrect? I won't hold my breath.

 

[Mark F]

Everything I post is BS to you. I'll take that as a compliment coming from you.

A lot of what you post is BS. You tend to not vet your sources, to do even the most rudimentary amount of verification and fact-checking. Your standards for what is worthy of posting seems to be limited to is this something I agree with not is this true.

You don't ask the two questions. Inevitably you get caught out on it because some of the rest of us do.

Far too much of what you post though is just pointless ad homs, derails and evasions - anything to keep the discussion off the topic and hand, anything to keep the discussion from progressing.

That I don't care for.

You can take any position you like. I genuinely don't care. But at least be civil about it and really, if you are going to take a position, it should be for the right reasons - and ideology ain't one of them.

 

[Bob0627]

A lot of what you post is BS.

Thanks again for your compliment, the feeling is mutual, although in your case, it's not a compliment, it's a fact.

 

[mike2810]

Oh really Mike? Would you follow your own advice and standard and provide a link that substantiates exactly how Woody has been shown to be incorrect? I won't hold my breath.

It was you who brought up Woody. Your claim, your burden.

It is tiresome when someone is asked to back up their statements and they come up with well show its incorrect.

You post your info, then I will post mine. Prove me wrong HD, post your source for Woody.

 

[Mark F]

Thanks again for your compliment, the feeling is mutual, although in your case, it's not a compliment, it's a fact.

More evasion and derail. By all means, lets not address the substance but try to change the subject with a smartass remark.

Did you or did you not post the OP without doing the least bit of fact-checking?

 

[Thoreau72]

It was you who brought up Woody. Your claim, your burden.

It is tiresome when someone is asked to back up their statements and they come up with well show its incorrect.

You post your info, then I will post mine. Prove me wrong HD, post your source for Woody.

I'm not going to "prove" you wrong, I'm simply going to give your claim that Woody is wrong the same credibility I give to all the other "claims" that the OCT is true--ZERO credibility. Your hypocrisy is no longer astounding Mike.

You demand a link for this and a link for that, and then make a claim yourself, supposedly valid, and do not follow your own "high" standards. Do as I say, don't do as I do. Got it Mike, we've been here before. When one is attempting to defend a bright and shining lie, one will go to any length. You demonstrate that daily.

The FBI lab's too common mendacity seems a model to you. eace

 

[Fledermaus]

I'm not going to "prove" you wrong, I'm simply going to give your claim that Woody is wrong the same credibility I give to all the other "claims" that the OCT is true--ZERO credibility. Your hypocrisy is no longer astounding Mike.

You demand a link for this and a link for that, and then make a claim yourself, supposedly valid, and do not follow your own "high" standards. Do as I say, don't do as I do. Got it Mike, we've been here before. When one is attempting to defend a bright and shining lie, one will go to any length. You demonstrate that daily.

The FBI lab's too common mendacity seems a model to you. eace

He CONFESSED...

Below is the full text of his statement, as recorded in a court transcript.

Thank you, your Honor, for giving me an opportunity to speak. I would like to begin in the name of Allah, the exalted and glorious, the most gracious, the most merciful, “Allah” among the most beautiful names. Any act that does not begin in the name of God is separate from goodness.

This is the blessed month of Ramadan, and it is the month of mercy from Allah to his creation, a month to ask forgiveness of Allah and of his creation, a month to express gratitude to Allah and to his creation. It’s the month of reconciliation, a month of patience, a month during which hearts change. Indeed, a month of many blessings.

The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said if you have not thanked the people, you have not thanked God. So I would like to first thank my attorneys, those who sit at this table, the table behind me, and many more behind the scenes. They have done much good for me, for my family. They made my life the last two years very easy. I cherish their company. They’re lovely companions. I thank you.

I would like to thank those who took time out of their daily lives to come and testify on my behalf despite the pressure. I’d like to thank the jury for their service, and the Court. The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said that if you do not -- if you are not merciful to Allah’s creation, Allah will not be merciful to you, so I’d like to now apologize to the victims, to the survivors.

Immediately after the bombing, which I am guilty of -- if there’s any lingering doubt about that, let there be no more. I did do it along with my brother -- I learned of some of the victims. I learned their names, their faces, their age. And throughout this trial more of those victims were given names, more of those victims had faces, and they had burdened souls.

Now, all those who got up on that witness stand and that podium related to us -- to me -- I was listening -- the suffering that was and the hardship that still is, with strength and with patience and with dignity. Now, Allah says in the Qur’an that no soul is burdened with more than it can bear, and you told us just how unbearable it was, how horrendous it was, this thing I put you through. And I know that you kept that much. I know that there isn’t enough time in the day for you to have related to us everything. I also wish that far more people had a chance to get up there, but I took them from you.

Now, I am sorry for the lives that I’ve taken, for the suffering that I’ve caused you, for the damage that I’ve done. Irreparable damage.

Now, I am a Muslim. My religion is Islam. The God I worship, besides whom there is no other God, is Allah. And I prayed for Allah to bestow his mercy upon the deceased, those affected in the bombing and their families. Allah says in the Qur’an that with every hardship there is relief. I pray for your relief, for your healing, for your well-being, for your strength.

I ask Allah to have mercy upon me and my brother and my family. I ask Allah to bestow his mercy upon those present here today. And Allah knows best those deserving of his mercy. And I ask Allah to have mercy upon the ummah of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Amin. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

Thank you.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...qgK/story.html

 

[mike2810]

I'm not going to "prove" you wrong, I'm simply going to give your claim that Woody is wrong the same credibility I give to all the other "claims" that the OCT is true--ZERO credibility. Your hypocrisy is no longer astounding Mike.

You demand a link for this and a link for that, and then make a claim yourself, supposedly valid, and do not follow your own "high" standards. Do as I say, don't do as I do. Got it Mike, we've been here before. When one is attempting to defend a bright and shining lie, one will go to any length. You demonstrate that daily.

The FBI lab's too common mendacity seems a model to you. eace

Basically HD I ask for sources because much of what you post is pure opinion with little to back it up with

Burden is still on you. Nice dodge though.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Typical deny, deny, deny, deny to defend the US government. Exculpatory evidence is not an "anomaly". The claim is the FBI's own evidence. What "reverse burden of proof" are you talking about?

It's actually worse than that... and I wish I had more time to dedicate to the forums to make a thorough case on the subject.

The brother that survived (in spite of the attempted assassination, by cutting his throat in the moments before paramedics and media arrived, after shooting up that boat with hundreds of bullets) was pleading innocent, then his lawyer claimed guilty on his behalf.

The bag that was found was not the same as the bags the brothers wee carrying... however there were others in photos that WERE carrying bags that matched.

Oh and we all obviously forget that the first talking point was to frame "right wing extremists", then as people went over the video and confronted the fbi about what they said... oh and the fbi saying how the ONLY PICTURES that should be considered were the 2 pictures, at the time, the fbi put out.

- it took 30 years for the jfk assassination to be almost fully exposed
- 9-11 took 6 years to be fully exposed as a false flag.
-The London bombings took 6 weeks to be exposed.
- sandy hook took 6 days...
- the Boston bombing took mere hours...

The world is not buying these bs false flags anymore.

 

[Bob0627]

It's actually worse than that... and I wish I had more time to dedicate to the forums to make a thorough case on the subject.

The brother that survived (in spite of the attempted assassination, by cutting his throat in the moments before paramedics and media arrived, after shooting up that boat with hundreds of bullets) was pleading innocent, then his lawyer claimed guilty on his behalf.

The bag that was found was not the same as the bags the brothers wee carrying... however there were others in photos that WERE carrying bags that matched.

Oh and we all obviously forget that the first talking point was to frame "right wing extremists", then as people went over the video and confronted the fbi about what they said... oh and the fbi saying how the ONLY PICTURES that should be considered were the 2 pictures, at the time, the fbi put out.

- it took 30 years for the jfk assassination to be almost fully exposed
- 9-11 took 6 years to be fully exposed as a false flag.
-The London bombings took 6 weeks to be exposed.
- sandy hook took 6 days...
- the Boston bombing took mere hours...

The world is not buying these bs false flags anymore.

Just a correction and a comment.

It actually took about 3 years for 9/11 to be exposed as a false flag.

As to the "confession", my guess is that part of the plea bargain agreement was that Tsarnaev was forced to read from a letter put together by the prosecution team. It's not like that hasn't been done before. In at least one case we know about, a Gitmo detainee who was mercilessly tortured was forced to sign a "confession" he wasn't allowed to read. And that "confession" was used as part of the 9/11 Commission Report.

 

[Mark F]

The FBI photo of Tsarnaev's backpack shows a white backpack (exhibit 4), while the FBI photo of the alleged exploded backpack is black (exhibit 3). Excerpt from a letter by John Remington Graham of the Minnesota Bar to Paul Craig Roberts:

The substance of the Boston marathon case, as I then saw it, and as I still see it, is that, on the day after the explosions on Boylston Street in Boston, the FBI crime lab determined from fragments at the crime scene, the FBI chief in Boston announced, and the indictment itself later confirmed that, shortly before the explosions, the culprits were carrying large, heavy-laden, black backpacks containing pressure cooker bombs. Two days later, the FBI chief in Boston stated publicly that the suspects were identified by a certain street surveillance video, which for some days was later displayed for public viewing on the FBI website. The video had been taken from Whiskey’s Steak House, and was used to create still-frame photos of Tamerlan Tsarnaev (the big brother, now deceased), and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (the little brother, later accused) as they walked up Boylson Street toward the finish line of the Boston marathon, shortly before the bombs went off. These two still frames were featured on posters distributed by the FBI in soliciting cooperation from the general public. But there is a third still-frame photo, taken from the same video, which shows unmistakably that Dzhokhar was carrying a small, light-weight, white backpack. The backpack carried by Dzhokhar was flat, and did not sag or bulge as would have been apparent if it contained a pressure cooker bomb filled with shrapnel as described in the indictment. This third still-frame photo was published by the major news media of the United States. I retrieved my first copy of this third still-frame photo from an internet report of CNN on April 19, 2015.

The bottom line is that the FBI’s own evidence eliminates Dzhokhar as a suspect, and conclusively proves he is not guilty as charged.

Article at PaulCraigRoberts.org. The article contains an Affidavit by Maret Tsarnaeva, aunt of the accused Tsarnaev brothers and an Amicus Curiae argument filed in US District Court:

FBI Evidence Proves Innocence of Accused Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Can we get back to discussing the one thing the person that started this thread wants to avoid - the OP?

Can we get back to the fact that the OP is false, based on a totally false starting assumption, probably deliberately so.

Can we get back to the fact the person who posted the OP did not even the most rudimentary fact-checking before posting it? And that is all that would have been required, the most rudimentary of fact checking?

 

[BmanMcfly]

Just a correction and a comment.

It actually took about 3 years for 9/11 to be exposed as a false flag.

As to the "confession", my guess is that part of the plea bargain agreement was that Tsarnaev was forced to read from a letter put together by the prosecution team. It's not like that hasn't been done before. In at least one case we know about, a Gitmo detainee who was mercilessly tortured was forced to sign a "confession" he wasn't allowed to read. And that "confession" was used as part of the 9/11 Commission Report.

Ya, thinking about it, you are right. The first 2 years people would get violent at the suggestion.

Anyway...

Not even a plea bargain.. the brother, his mother, even the friend of his the fbi killed after the fact, we're all claiming setup... Tsaernev was proclaiming innocence and that he would fight. Then the lawyer stands up says "we all know he's guilty"... a mistrial in the real world.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Can we get back to discussing the one thing the person that started this thread wants to avoid - the OP?

Can we get back to the fact that the OP is false, based on a totally false starting assumption, probably deliberately so.

Can we get back to the fact the person who posted the OP did not even the most rudimentary fact-checking before posting it? And that is all that would have been required, the most rudimentary of fact checking?

Just prove it's false then... you claim it's false, looks about accurate to me, so, make your case.

Of course you have an extended track record of not being able to carry the burden of proof very far, so I expect some song and dance.

 

[Bob0627]

Can we get back to discussing the one thing the person that started this thread wants to avoid - the OP?

Can we get back to the fact that the OP is false, based on a totally false starting assumption, probably deliberately so.

Can we get back to the fact the person who posted the OP did not even the most rudimentary fact-checking before posting it? And that is all that would have been required, the most rudimentary of fact checking?

We certainly can discuss the OP genuinely and definitely not on your terms, that's never genuine. I find it difficult if not impossible to recall any post from you that's sincere and/or honest.

 

[braindrain]

Just prove it's false then... you claim it's false, looks about accurate to me, so, make your case.

Of course you have an extended track record of not being able to carry the burden of proof very far, so I expect some song and dance.

You are the one making the claims that the governed card is BS. Maybe you should try and proof your claim for once.

 

[BmanMcfly]

You are the one making the claims that the governed card is BS. Maybe you should try and proof your claim for once.

I know, debunkers never have to back up their claims... Even in spite of presented evidence to the contrary (not so much the case this time specifically, but generally)

 

[Fledermaus]

I know, debunkers never have to back up their claims... Even in spite of presented evidence to the contrary (not so much the case this time specifically, but generally)

Incorrect. We often back up our claims. In the face of furious handwaving and intentional ignorance bt the CT folks.

 

[Fledermaus]

I know, debunkers never have to back up their claims... Even in spite of presented evidence to the contrary (not so much the case this time specifically, but generally)

Incorrect. We often back up our claims. In the face of furious handwaving and intentional ignorance by the CT folks.

You do realize the evidence points towards them.