FBI arrests Steele dossier sub-source as part of Durham investigation

[eohrnberger]

The only claim by the right is that the FISA warrant was based on the Dossier, and it shouldn't have been.

Agreed. The FISA warrant should not have been based on, nor included as evidence, the Steele 'Dossier' (fabrication).

But the truth is that it was based in part, but not in whole, and the reason that is true is because the IG concluded there was sufficient predication for the investigation.

Citation, please.

From my view, without the Steele dossier (fabrication), a FISA warrant wouldn't have been granted. Yes, that is a subjective opinion, but if you look at the evidence presented in the FISA warrant application, you not only don't have sufficient evidence to justify the warrant, you also find that Comey, and McCabe I believe, signed stating all the submitted 'evidence' was factual, and we know that not to be true, don't we?

If the investigation were based entirely on the Dossier, and nothing else, he wouldn't have made that conclusion. Note than numerous persons along the command line, including finally federal judges, signed off on that warrant, and subsequent warrants were also signed off on as new facts were being uncovered.

IF there were sufficient predication for the investigation, the points the right are making about the Dossier become moot.

Mueller stated he didn't find coordination by Trump that would be prosecuted as conspiring with Russia, however, on the pints of obstruction of justice, he stated that if Trump were exonerated, he would have so stated, he did not.

Unrealistic and not based in reality.
Since when do prosecutors or special councils 'exonerate' those they've investigated? They don't.
What they do is say there is presently insufficient evidence to charge, but new evidence may come to light which may change the that.

However, Mueller was unaware of the extent to which Trump's server was communicating with Alpha Bank, and the verdict on that hasn't come to fruition, yet.

That's already been debunked.

Not to mention the Judiciary Committee's report was some 1000 pages.

Many pages doesn't mean correct or factual or even thorough. It just means many pages.

My conclusion is that without the Steele 'Dossier' (fabrication), that I'm rather skeptical that there would have been sufficient evidence to justify a FISA warrant.

My further conclusion is that the Obama politicized DOJ / FBI were wielded as political weapons against a political opposition campaign, for which the Obama administration had already established a track record, namely, using federal agencies as political weapons against political opponents. Further, the Biden administration is continuing the same.

The whole 'Russian Collusion' narrative, born from the Steele dossier (fabrication), orchestrated and paid for my the DNC and the Hillary campaign, and flogged on by the all too eager Democrat 'news' (political propaganda) media accomplices have all done a great disservice to the nation and its electorate, one that, hopefully, Durham, his investigation and his indictments, will go high enough and the sentencing be severe enough, to never be repeated in the future. But I've already expressed my doubts that the DC swamp is capable of holding it's own accountable for their malfeasance.

DC is seriously broken and dysfunctional made so by the entrenched and politicized bureaucracy, and has no signs of getting any better.
It may very well be the death knell of the 'Noble Experiment' that the US has been up to this point.,

 

[Athanasius68]

He retroactively registered after he was fired.

Ok. And...

 

[Athanasius68]

The only claim by the right is that the FISA warrant was based on the Dossier, and it shouldn't have been.

But the truth is that it was based in part, but not in whole, and the reason that is true is because the IG concluded there was sufficient predication for the investigation.

If the investigation were based entirely on the Dossier, and nothing else, he wouldn't have made that conclusion. Note than numerous persons along the command line, including finally federal judges, signed off on that warrant, and subsequent warrants were also signed off on as new facts were being uncovered.

IF there were sufficient predication for the investigation, the points the right are making about the Dossier become moot.

Mueller stated he didn't find coordination by Trump that would be prosecuted as conspiring with Russia, however, on the pints of obstruction of justice, he stated that if Trump were exonerated, he would have so stated, he did not.

However, Mueller was unaware of the extent to which Trump's server was communicating with Alpha Bank, and the verdict on that hasn't come to fruition, yet.

Not to mention the Judiciary Committee's report was some 1000 pages.

As McCabe testified, without dossier there would have been no FISA warrant.
The warrant on Page was obtained because it was thought he was part of the conspiracy.
At the end of the day they had nothing on Page.
Flynn was investigated because he supposedly was acting as a Russian agent.
At the end of the day, they had nothing on Flynn.

At the end of the day, when one starts realizing that the key evidence is all made up stuff, the question that has to be asked is that maybe everything else is made up as well

 

[Carl Young]

While Flynn was secretly working for Turkey he was also secretly working for IP3, which was working to transfer nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia to build power plants.

The thing is that the Saudis wanted this transfer of tech without the normal safeguards and since there was a ton of money involved, Flynn worked to remove those barriers.

Normal people would call that a bad thing.

You've been propagandized and lied to. Time to wake up to the facts. https://www.foxnews.com/shows/sunday-morning-futures

 

[Jezcoe]

You've been propagandized and lied to. Time to wake up to the facts. https://www.foxnews.com/shows/sunday-morning-futures

What does that prove?

 

[Carl Young]

What does that prove?

Did you watch all of it?

 

[Jezcoe]

Did you watch all of it?

No... because it is someone complaining about Biden withdrawing from Afghanistan and I didn't see how it was relevant.

 

[Carl Young]

No... because it is someone complaining about Biden withdrawing from Afghanistan and I didn't see how it was relevant.

My apologies. I checked and discovered I posted the wrong link.

 

[Jezcoe]

My apologies. I checked and discovered I posted the wrong link.

When Ratcliffe says "John Solomon was. right".... That part is pretty funny.

Ratcliffe is such a party hack... these people are working real hard to spin an alternate reality that ignores that Russian intelligence was interfering into the 2016 election.

He is misrepresenting what Dolan's role is in the Danchenko indictment.

These people are lying to you.

 

[Carl Young]

When Ratcliffe says "John Solomon was. right".... That part is pretty funny.

Ratcliffe is such a party hack... these people are working real hard to spin an alternate reality that ignores that Russian intelligence was interfering into the 2016 election.

He is misrepresenting what Dolan's role is in the Danchenko indictment.

These people are lying to you.

What misinterpretations or lies are you referring to? That's quite an important point.

And your characterizations of the people involved, of either party, is not necessary. We can both do that and it won't get either of us any closer to the truth.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Durham charges Steele dossier sub-source with five counts of making false statements to the FBI

Federal agents arrested Igor Danchenko, an analyst who contributed to the unverified anti-Trump dossier, Thursday as part of Special Counsel John Durham’s investigations into the origins of the probe into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election.

www.foxnews.com

And just when the Dems thought the dust had settled...

Fox is creating a false issue, collusion, using a dubious source, the Steele dossier, which they then criticize, although the dossier was not used by Mueller, Congressional investigations, or the DOJ. Nor was it used by the news media to prove a point.

Fox created a bogus issue to fool gullible Trump fans, and it worked.

Here is the real issue.

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office.

The intelligence community’s initial January 2017 assessment of Moscow’s influence campaign included “specific intelligence reporting to support the assessment that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Russian government demonstrated a preference for candidate Trump,” the committee’s report says.

Senate Intel report confirms Russia aimed to help Trump in 2016

The report represents a confidence-booster to the country’s intelligence community.

www.politico.com

 

[Jezcoe]

What misinterpretations or lies are you referring to? That's quite an important point.

What does the Donchenko Indictment say about what Dolan said about Manafort?

Go and read it.

Also… Ratcliffe is trying to tie Dolan to the pee tapes… which isn’t what the indictment says.

He is lying to you.

And your characterizations of the people involved, of either party, is not necessary. We can both do that and it won't get either of us any closer to the truth.

The only reason why Ratcliffe … a dude wno ho had to drop out on the first round of confirmations for DNI because he outright lied about his foreign intelligence experience got confirmed the second time around was because Trump installed a Twitter troll named Rick Grenell… someone who was totally unsuited for the job as acting DNI and the Senate decided that it would rather have a known crazy person than whatever came after Grenell.

 

[Athanasius68]

Fox is creating a false issue, collusion, using a dubious source, the Steele dossier, which they then criticize, although the dossier was not used by Mueller, Congressional investigations, or the DOJ. Nor was it used by the news media to prove a point.

Fox created a bogus issue to fool gullible Trump fans, and it worked.

Here is the real issue.

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office.

The intelligence community’s initial January 2017 assessment of Moscow’s influence campaign included “specific intelligence reporting to support the assessment that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Russian government demonstrated a preference for candidate Trump,” the committee’s report says.

Senate Intel report confirms Russia aimed to help Trump in 2016

The report represents a confidence-booster to the country’s intelligence community.

www.politico.com

Collusion was a "false" issue? Since when and false to whom?

Even If Russian intelligence interfered in the 2016 election to elect Trump, what does that have to do with Trump? Not his fault.

 

[OscarLevant]

There were two salient elements of the Dossier that were factual. Much of the rest was unconfirmed, but not refuted.

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o20012.pdf

These officials, though, did not become
aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later
and we therefore determined that Steele's reports
played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.

[...]

Additionally, given the low threshold for
predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG, we
concluded that the FFG information, provided by a
government the United States Intelligence Community
(USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand
account from an FFG employee of a conversation with
Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the
investigation

Since when do prosecutors or special councils 'exonerate' those they've investigated? They don't.

The purpose of an investigation is either to find evidence to prosecute, or exonerate, ie., 'remove suspicion'. Because of the OLC memo, instead of 'indict' it's a report to congress.

Mueller, who was once the FBI Director, who as an Ivy League law degree, who would know these things, stated that if the report would have exonerated Trump, he would have stated it.

I am going to believe him, over you, if you don't mind.

What they do is say there is presently insufficient evidence to charge, but new evidence may come to light which may change the that.

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.” --Mueller

"As I said forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so," Mueller said during brief remarks at the Justice Department

That's already been debunked.

Au contraire:

Trump Server Mystery Produces Fresh Conflict (Published 2021)

A recent indictment suggested that researchers who found strange internet links between a Russian bank and the Trump Organization did not really believe their own work. They are pushing back.

www.nytimes.com

The Alfa Bank results “have been validated and are reproducible. The findings of the researchers were true then and remain true today; reports that these findings were innocuous or a hoax are simply wrong,” said Jody Westby and Mark Rasch, lawyers for David Dagon

Many pages doesn't mean correct or factual or even thorough. It just means many pages.

The MR report is heavily annotated and documented. It's not fluff.

It could have been more thorough, but Barr pressured Mueller to wrap it up.

My conclusion is that without the Steele 'Dossier' (fabrication), that I'm rather skeptical that there would have been sufficient evidence to justify a FISA warrant.

For Carter Page surveillance, perhaps, but Crossfire Hurricane, overall, was not predicated whatsoever on the Dossier.

My further conclusion is that the Obama politicized DOJ / FBI [...]

The Crossfire Hurricane was initiated by the FBI, who was under Comey's leadership, who was a republican.
Later, during Trump, who appointed Rosenstein, a republican, who appointed Mueller, a republican, to takeover the investigation.

This idea that Comey was Obama's lackey is ridiculous, and you have no evidence for it.

What you are accusing Obama, actually there is tons of evidence that is what Trump did with Barr and the DOJ

The whole 'Russian Collusion' narrative, born from the Steele dossier (fabrication), orchestrated and paid for my the DNC and the Hillary campaign, and flogged on by the all too eager Democrat 'news' (political propaganda) media accomplices have all done a great disservice to the nation and its electorate, one that, hopefully, Durham, his investigation and his indictments, will go high enough and the sentencing be severe enough, to never be repeated in the future. But I've already expressed my doubts that the DC swamp is capable of holding it's own accountable for their malfeasance.

Inspector General concluded that the Dossier did not play a role in the initiation of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

DC is seriously broken and dysfunctional made so by the entrenched and politicized bureaucracy, and has no signs of getting any better.
It may very well be the death knell of the 'Noble Experiment' that the US has been up to this point.,

Ahh, so you are a cynic with nihilistic tendencies.

Wonderful.

 

[OscarLevant]

As McCabe testified, without dossier there would have been no FISA warrant.
The warrant on Page was obtained because it was thought he was part of the conspiracy.
At the end of the day they had nothing on Page.
Flynn was investigated because he supposedly was acting as a Russian agent.
At the end of the day, they had nothing on Flynn.

At the end of the day, when one starts realizing that the key evidence is all made up stuff, the question that has to be asked is that maybe everything else is made up as well

Mueller Report, 500 pages, every page annotated, documented, lead to numerous indictments and convictions.

No one is making anything up.

THe IG concluded that the Dossier had nothing to do with Crossfire Hurricane.

 

[Athanasius68]

Mueller Report, 500 pages, every page annotated, documented, lead to numerous indictments and convictions.

No one is making anything up.

THe IG concluded that the Dossier had nothing to do with Crossfire Hurricane.

And yet no collusion or conspiracy was found by Mueller

 

[Athanasius68]

There were two salient elements of the Dossier that were factual. Much of the rest was unconfirmed, but not refuted.

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o20012.pdf

These officials, though, did not become
aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later
and we therefore determined that Steele's reports
played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.

[...]

Additionally, given the low threshold for
predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG, we
concluded that the FFG information, provided by a
government the United States Intelligence Community
(USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand
account from an FFG employee of a conversation with
Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the
investigation






The purpose of an investigation is either to find evidence to prosecute, or exonerate, ie., 'remove suspicion'. Because of the OLC memo, instead of 'indict' it's a report to congress.

Mueller, who was once the FBI Director, who as an Ivy League law degree, who would know these things, stated that if the report would have exonerated Trump, he would have stated it.

I am going to believe him, over you, if you don't mind.



“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.” --Mueller

"As I said forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so," Mueller said during brief remarks at the Justice Department





Au contraire:

Trump Server Mystery Produces Fresh Conflict (Published 2021)

A recent indictment suggested that researchers who found strange internet links between a Russian bank and the Trump Organization did not really believe their own work. They are pushing back.

www.nytimes.com

The Alfa Bank results “have been validated and are reproducible. The findings of the researchers were true then and remain true today; reports that these findings were innocuous or a hoax are simply wrong,” said Jody Westby and Mark Rasch, lawyers for David Dagon




The MR report is heavily annotated and documented. It's not fluff.

It could have been more thorough, but Barr pressured Mueller to wrap it up.



For Carter Page surveillance, perhaps, but Crossfire Hurricane, overall, was not predicated whatsoever on the Dossier.


The Crossfire Hurricane was initiated by the FBI, who was under Comey's leadership, who was a republican.
Later, during Trump, who appointed Rosenstein, a republican, who appointed Mueller, a republican, to takeover the investigation.

This idea that Comey was Obama's lackey is ridiculous, and you have no evidence for it.

What you are accusing Obama, actually there is tons of evidence that is what Trump did with Barr and the DOJ


Inspector General concluded that the Dossier did not play a role in the initiation of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.



Ahh, so you are a cynic with nihilistic tendencies.

Wonderful.

We go from 'Trump conspired with Russia' to 'there was the thinnest reeds possible to think Trump conspired with Russia.'

1. We know that Downer never told the FBI that Papadapolous told him that Russia had emails. Downer told the FBI that PapaD told him that Mifsud told him that Russia had information about Clinton. The FBI assumed that that information was the hacked emails. PapaD said he assumed that the information was the Clinton emails. Mifsud would state that he never told PapaD that Russia had the Clinton emails, just that it had information. It would appear that Downer and the FBI assumed that PapaD was talking about the hacked DNC emails.

2. The Steele Dossier, unverified at the time and now refuted, was used as evidence to get a warrant on Mr. Page who supposedly was part of the conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

3. The Alfa Bank story was investigated by the FBI and nothing meaningful was found. It should be pointed out the Alfa Bank story was never used as evidence of a conspiracy when applying for the FISA warrant on Page. The FBI was desperate to find something on Trump. It used the unverified dossier, continued using it after Danchenko told them that Steele got it wrong, and also had misleading statements about it (Clinesmith). That they didn't use the Alfa Bank story shows how completely bereft it was.

4. Mueller testified before Congress that the White House was extremely cooperative during his investigation, and was under no pressure from Barr or anyone else to wrap it up.

 

[Jezcoe]

And yet no collusion or conspiracy was found by Mueller

If one reads the Mueller report. one will see plenty of collusion.

There is a lack of proof for the charge of criminal conspiracy.

At it's heart, what the Mueller report says is that people inside the Trump campaign worked to obtain stolen information from a hostile foreign intelligence service and because of incompetence and bad luck they failed. After they failed they worked really hard to cover it up.

It is because they failed in their objective that people give them a pass which is just bonkers.

 

[Sand Castle]

If one reads the Mueller report. one will see plenty of collusion.

There is a lack of proof for the charge of criminal conspiracy.

At it's heart, what the Mueller report says is that people inside the Trump campaign worked to obtain stolen information from a hostile foreign intelligence service and because of incompetence and bad luck they failed. After they failed they worked really hard to cover it up.

It is because they failed in their objective that people give them a pass which is just bonkers.

Comey fired to begin the cover up

Barr inserted to orchestrate the continuation of the cover up.

Documents destroyed to assist the cover up

Trump loyalist refused testimony

Written b.s. testimony from Trump to obstruct

And then a complete spin and b.s. tale told to all of us by Barr for Trumpers to repeat at the water cooler. Of course they just parrot Barrs spin, omitting the factual substance of what Mueller found.

Barr, along with Mueller then squashes the entire matter by following the standard that a POTUS cannot be prosecuted.

Most Democrats moved on from trumps campaign collusion.

Why, because America soon fully realized a buffoon, bankrupt business art of the deal man, who acted like a man child daily, would sink his own Presidency.

And low and behold, he did

 

[Athanasius68]

If one reads the Mueller report. one will see plenty of collusion.

There is a lack of proof for the charge of criminal conspiracy.

At it's heart, what the Mueller report says is that people inside the Trump campaign worked to obtain stolen information from a hostile foreign intelligence service and because of incompetence and bad luck they failed. After they failed they worked really hard to cover it up.

It is because they failed in their objective that people give them a pass which is just bonkers.

Mueller seems to put it the other way around--- Russia was reaching out to the campaign, and sometimes responded and sometimes it didn't.

 

[Jezcoe]

Mueller seems to put it the other way around--- Russia was reaching out to the campaign, and sometimes responded and sometimes it didn't.

They were actively in pursuit of the emails also. Flynn hired a couple of people to track them down... can't remember his name off the top of my head but he died shortly after the shit started to hit the fan.

Also remember that they were actively trying to get in touch with Russians to pursue the Trump Tower Moscow deal that no one knew was happening.

Can you imagine a guy who is running for President secretly pursuing a real estate deal in Russia and even going so far as to sign a letter of intent with a bank that was under sanctions of the very government he was seeking to lead and no one giving a shit about that?

Because they tried and failed they got a pass.

It is crazy.

 

[Athanasius68]

Comey fired to begin the cover up

Barr inserted to orchestrate the continuation of the cover up.

Documents destroyed to assist the cover up

Trump loyalist refused testimony

Written b.s. testimony from Trump to obstruct

And then a complete spin and b.s. tale told to all of us by Barr for Trumpers to repeat at the water cooler. Of course they just parrot Barrs spin, omitting the factual substance of what Mueller found.

Barr, along with Mueller then squashes the entire matter by following the standard that a POTUS cannot be prosecuted.

Most Democrats moved on from trumps campaign collusion.

Why, because America soon fully realized a buffoon, bankrupt business art of the deal man, who acted like a man child daily, would sink his own Presidency.

And low and behold, he did

"Trumpers" have no problem with the 'substance' of what he found-- because nothing much of substance was found.
There was no collusion-- and as the recent indictments demonstrate the thinking that there were was created by Clinton partisans.
The obstruction claims are weak so that not even the Biden Admin is looking to charge.

Its true that Democrats have moved on from their embarrassment. But now it appears that the NSC director was involved in all this to some as yet unknown extent. So there we go. Transparency.

 

[Jezcoe]

and as the recent indictments demonstrate the thinking that there were was created by Clinton partisans.

Yeah... it is crazy how Durham is dropping lame indictments and include a bunch of stuff in them that has nothing to do with the charges just so he can get his fanfic into the public view.

 

[Athanasius68]

They were actively in pursuit of the emails also. Flynn hired a couple of people to track them down... can't remember his name off the top of my head but he died shortly after the shit started to hit the fan.

Also remember that they were actively trying to get in touch with Russians to pursue the Trump Tower Moscow deal that no one knew was happening.

Can you imagine a guy who is running for President secretly pursuing a real estate deal in Russia and even going so far as to sign a letter of intent with a bank that was under sanctions of the very government he was seeking to lead and no one giving a shit about that?

Because they tried and failed they got a pass.

It is crazy.

Its true the campaign was looking for the Clinton emails.
So were responsible journalists and the FBI. Mrs. Clinton was under criminal investigation, after all, for mishandling them.

What does a private real estate deal in Russia have to do with the FBI?

 

[Athanasius68]

Yeah... it is crazy how Durham is dropping lame indictments and include a bunch of stuff in them that has nothing to do with the charges just so he can get his fanfic into the public view.

The charges are that Sussman and Danchenko mislead the FBI on material facts of an investigation.
That they told things to the FBI about where they received information are false, very much has to do with the investigation.