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FBI arrests Steele dossier sub-source as part of Durham investigation

Agreed. In and of itself, the fictional 'Dossier' is not illegal. No work of fiction is.

How it was used, how it was injected into the FBI, Intel, and high government multiple times, so as it couldn't be ignored, that's pretty much the same thing as lying to federal authorities.

Using such a fabrication for a FISA warrant, where the warrant applicant knowingly swears to it as fact when it was already known not to have been fact, that's probably illegal, and if not, it should be.

See above statement.

'Fabrication' is a loaded phrase. I would use the term 'zealotry' to the degree they ignored the unreliable evidence. If you are willing to mischaracterize the precise nature of what happened, it would indicate to me you are being overly partisan, and not being objective.

The Inspector General highly criticized the FBI for it's reliance on the Dossier, but, in the end, still concluded there was predication for the investigations.

Also noting that the FBI had historically been rather sloppy on FISA apps, which proves that Trump wasn't specifically being singled out due to 'bias', it's just that that is how the FBI rolls, that they are overly zealous in their actions. But that zealotry isn't politically one sided, and that hasn't been proven. Yes, their actions and policies need review and things need to change in the FBI, but, alas, IG still said the investigation was predicated.

Remember, the objective of an investigation is either to bring charges, or to clear the air. Since there was a lot of suspicion in the air, clearing the air is a good thing, and should have been welcomed by Trump if Trump was truly innocent and had nothing to hide. However, Trump did the opposite, which was to disparage the FBi and all concerned, and subsequently he cast more suspicion, not to mention he fired Comey, causing even more suspicion, which goes to Trump's incompetence, as well.

I mean, if incompetence bothers you, there's plenty in Trump's campaign and presidency, so if you are not a partisan, you need to be critical of incompetence, wherever it occurs.
 
Grand jury indictments are suddenly nothing?
According to you, this one was " suddenly nothing".

There was no legal basis to investigate or interview Flynn. That's how!

Retired FBI Assistant Director for Intelligence Kevin Brock:
"The closing memo communicated that "they had never established any reasonable suspicion that Michael Flynn was acting on behalf of a foreign country at all, ever in the beginning. In other words they had no basis to start the investigation in the first place," Brock explained."

'Historic Misuse': Former FBI intel chief slams Comey's pursuit of Flynn | Just The News

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Versus "the Flynn exception" argued by the Trump-Barr DOJ !

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And as for materiality, DOJ now argues that there’s “substantial evidence” that Flynn’s false statements were not “significant” to the FBI investigation and that it doubts “whether it should attempt to prove to a jury that the information was … objectively significant” in light of the fact that the FBI eventually concluded Flynn wasn’t a Russian agent. Even if that were true, however, it’d be a non sequitur, because, as the Solicitor General and the other counsel on the brief surely know, DOJ wouldn’t have to prove that the false statements were “objectively significant” to the FBI investigation. As DOJ has repeatedly and successfully argued in § 1001 cases, it would only have to prove that those statements either had a “natural tendency” to influence the investigation or that they were “capable of influencing” an FBI decision”—a modest showing that the prosecution could easily satisfy here. (See subpart (iii) of Point 17.)

More importantly, however, this particular argument is premised on an assertion that’s palpably misleading. As the case stands now, DOJ wouldn’t have to prove Flynn’s guilt to a jury, because he’s (twice) pleaded guilty to the offense. Alarmingly, DOJ now insists that that’s immaterial because “[a]lthough petitioner previously pleaded guilty, it is Justice Department policy that prosecutions should not be initiated—and thus should not be continued—“unless the attorney for the government believes that the admissible evidence is sufficient to obtain and sustain a guilty verdict by an unbiased trier of fact” (citing Justice Manual § 9-27.200 cmt. (sic)).

There is no such “Justice Department policy.” What the comment to section 9-27.220 (not 27.200) of the Justice Manual says is that a government attorney should only “commence or recommend federal prosecution if he/she believes that the person’s conduct constitutes a federal offense, and that the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction.” ..."

 
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More of the same crap.....lets see she facts to support this.
Do you understand that this indictment is based on information that has been presented to a grand jury and found credible? I realize that you may well have inside information that the rest of us don't but, based on what is publicly available, the information seems to have more than a merely speculative value.
 
There is nothing inherently illegal about the Dossier, it was supplied in the light of 'raw intel' never as 'facts'.

What the issue is how it was relied upon, which goes to competence.

However, if someone lied to the FBI, for whatever reason, that's a separate issue.
What you fail to recognize is the sworn statements Igor Danchenko gave the FBI were heavily relied on to seek a FISA warrant on Carter Page. Then every person Page became in contact with were caught up in the web for the FBI to spy on them too. A lot of U.S. citizens were wrongfully spied on and that is a big friggin deal

The first one Durham went after is an FBI attorney named Clinesmith who purposely changed an email from intel that cleared Page of being an agent of a foreign government, in this case Russia. He changed it to make it appear he was to boost their chances of getting a FISA on Page. Clinesmith was facing some very serious charges and pleaded guilty but ended up with a slap on the hand. The only way that happened is because Clinesmith sang like a nightingale.

Then Sussman an attorney at Perkins Coie the law firm completely associated with the DNC and the Clinton campaign a former counsel for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential marketing campaign and the Democratic Nationwide Committee, for his alleged position in spreading a false Russia conspiracy principle. Sussmann is accused of lying to FBI general counsel James Baker at a meeting in 2016 where he provided information about data that appeared to connect the Trump Organization with Alfa Bank of Russia. He claims he is innocent and will go to trial. If you read the indictment, you realize while the initial charge of lying to the FBI, it was 39 pages long which is uncommon for an indictment over lying to the FBI which is normally 2-3 pages long. In other words this indictment has legs.

Today it was Igor Danchenko. His indictment is 39 pages for lying to the FBI and it too has legs which also is bringing other persons high up in the Democrat party and close to the Clinton campaign whose names are not mentioned. Jonathan Turley had a good piece on Igor. He says it is people like Igor the prosecution goes after to flip because Durham has some big fish in mind that are up on the food chain that think they fall in the category as an Apex witness. An Apex witness thinks they are so far up the chain seeks judicial protection.

http://barristers.io/igor-danchenko-arrested-as-a-part-of-durham-investigation-jonathan-turley/

Durham has an impeccable reputation of seeking prosecutions over any government official regardless of party affiliation involved in corruption.
 
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Do you understand that this indictment is based on information that has been presented to a grand jury and found credible? I realize that you may well have inside information that the rest of us don't but, based on what is publicly available, the information seems to have more than a merely speculative value.
I understand very well that the grand jury has found it credible that he, as well as Sussman, lied to the FBI which is what the indictments stipulate. Please provide any facts that support they found credible evidence of anything else that involves anyone else....or as my stepfather used to say.......sh!t or get off the pot.
 
which also is bringing other persons high up in the Democrat party and close to the Clinton campaign whose names are not mentioned.
If their names are not mentioned then how do you know they are persons high up in the Democratic party. This is again speculation at best or a lie at worst.
 
I understand very well that the grand jury has found it credible that he, as well as Sussman, lied to the FBI which is what the indictments stipulate. Please provide any facts that support they found credible evidence of anything else that involves anyone else....or as my stepfather used to say.......sh!t or get off the pot.
Y'know, I find it more than a little disingenuous that so many people that were all in on the justification for the FBI and then Mueller to investigate the Trump campaign are now demanding "proof" for claims that are FAR more substantiated than the earlier stuff was.

Read the indictment. Durham provides substantial support for his claims.
 
Read the indictment. Durham provides substantial support for his claims.
I have but am not seeing what you are seeing please point me to the portions that support your assertion.

Y'know, I find it more than a little disingenuous that so many people that were all in on the justification for the FBI and then Mueller to investigate the Trump campaign are now demanding "proof" for claims that are FAR more substantiated than the earlier stuff was.
For the record I am all in on the FBI and Durham investigating everything that may show evidence of wrongdoing. One does not need "proof" to investigate because the point of investigations is to determine if there is proof. However, one does need proof or at least evidence to make definitive allegations of wrongdoing as you have done when you say that the indictment provides clear evidence of wrongdoing by the DNC or the Clinton campaign...it doesn't.
 
Another Democrat caught deep in this corrupt scandal. Is anyone really surprised? Not me.
Could you please provide some information that supports rather than assumes that this gentleman is involved in something untoward? My bet is no.
 
Could you please provide some information that supports rather than assumes that this gentleman is involved in something untoward? My bet is no.
Read the indictment and compare that to Dolan's bio. It's a pretty doggone close match.
 
'Fabrication' is a loaded phrase. I would use the term 'zealotry' to the degree they ignored the unreliable evidence. If you are willing to mischaracterize the precise nature of what happened, it would indicate to me you are being overly partisan, and not being objective.
It is accurate and objective to call the Steele 'dossier' as fabricated.
The Inspector General highly criticized the FBI for it's reliance on the Dossier, but, in the end, still concluded there was predication for the investigations.
No 'predication for the investigations'. Could have just listened to Barr in his testimony before congress.

"I think spying did occur. The question is whether it was adequately predicated. … I think it’s my obligation. Congress is usually very concerned with intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies staying in their proper lane,"
Now, years later after the fact, we find out that the fabricated Steele Dossier wasn't sufficient predicate for the Obama administration to unleash federal agencies spying on a an opposing presidential campaign.
Also noting that the FBI had historically been rather sloppy on FISA apps,
This doesn't make me feel any batter about it, nor your defending it. Frankly the top 1/2 to 1/3 of the FBI and DOJ need to be sent packing for letting this happen. Some of them already have, but more 'cleaning out' of the bad apples needs to happen. That's pretty clear.
which proves that Trump wasn't specifically being singled out due to 'bias', it's just that that is how the FBI rolls, that they are overly zealous in their actions.
Sorry, but I'm most certainly not in agreement with this conclusion.
But that zealotry isn't politically one sided, and that hasn't been proven. Yes, their actions and policies need review and things need to change in the FBI, but, alas, IG still said the investigation was predicated.
I find it rather partisan of you to defend these actions from federal authorities.
Let's do a thought experiment, shall we?
Bush set the FBI to spy on Obama's campaign, and the RNC candidate bought and paid for the Steele Dossier. FISA warrants issues, and spying on Obama's campaign occured. Would you still be as sanguine? I hardly believe that. I think you'd be screaming for blood and heads.
Remember, the objective of an investigation is either to bring charges, or to clear the air.
An FBI investigation is to determine if a crime occurred, and if so, who committed that crime.
If not, then the FBI is set out to 'clear the air' of every opposition campaign baselessly accused for perceived political advantage.
Since there was a lot of suspicion in the air, clearing the air is a good thing, and should have been welcomed by Trump if Trump was truly innocent and had nothing to hide.
Such BS. The 'nothing to hide' argument. That's not how dealing with federal LEO works, just ask Mike Flynn, destroyed by Mueller for political purposes for doing his job in the transition.
However, Trump did the opposite, which was to disparage the FBi and all concerned, and subsequently he cast more suspicion, not to mention he fired Comey, causing even more suspicion, which goes to Trump's incompetence, as well.
Comey was a crap FBI director, over stepping, and 'out of his lane' more often than not, and a political player, rather than what he should have been, a federal LEO with integrity.
He is a disgrace to the badge and everyone else in the FBI and DOJ. Just ask Hillary.
I mean, if incompetence bothers you, there's plenty in Trump's campaign and presidency, so if you are not a partisan, you need to be critical of incompetence, wherever it occurs.
I find your hyper-partisanship disturbing, excusing the politically driven malfeasance when it's in your side's favor. In federal law enforcement, in fact in all law enforcement, there is a single standard as is enshrined in the law. Nothing else. But here you are, excusing violations of those standards when you perceive it to be to your sides political advantage.

The political left: Politics uber alles, especially principals, especially for perceived political advantage.

Face it. We aren't going to find very much common ground here.
 
Durham is climbing the food chain.
Indeed he is.
After a number of months building his case, he's moving now. Yes, the wheels of justice turn slowly, but when they start and gather steam . . .
Let's observe and see just how high in the corruption scandal he goes. He doesn't strike me as someone who doesn't stop until he hits the very top.
Good on him. Really. But we'll see how this plays out.
 
Y'know, I find it more than a little disingenuous that so many people that were all in on the justification for the FBI and then Mueller to investigate the Trump campaign are now demanding "proof" for claims that are FAR more substantiated than the earlier stuff was.

Read the indictment. Durham provides substantial support for his claims.
You are not clear ........
 
Twitter may have found "PR Executive 1"


Mr Dolan is quite a conservative and has been funded through Koch, ALEC by way of the Democratic Leadership Council .....a Koch funded enterprise.
 
Lying to the FBI. But that was 2017. Why make this public now?
Because it's Durham digging as deep as he can go and having to show something for his 2 year plus investigation. To me it takes some heat off the democrats. Part of the information came from a Russian operative, whether true or not. It says to me that Hillary's campaign did not make it up.

In over two years, if all Durham has is a few people that lied to the FBI, he ain't got shit. I'll bet 100 people a day lie to the FBI and never get charged.
 
Like the Sussmann indictment... there is a whole bunch of stuff in there that has nothing to do with the crime being charged.

There is this whole subplot about how PR Executive 1 and Sub Source 1 fawned over Hillary Clinton... it's weird.
Jonathan Turley thinks "PR executive 1" will turn out to be the biggest story from today's news. Turley also thinks today's news is quite a big deal. The first I'd heard of this story was on Bret Baier's show today and he interviewed Turley.
 
Jonathan Turley thinks "PR executive 1" will turn out to be the biggest story from today's news. Turley also thinks today's news is quite a big deal. The first I'd heard of this story was on Bret Baier's show today and he interviewed Turley.
Finally after 30+ years they are going to nail crooked Hillary. 🤣
By the way this does not exonerate twice impeached one term loser Trump.
 
Jonathan Turley thinks "PR executive 1" will turn out to be the biggest story from today's news. Turley also thinks today's news is quite a big deal. The first I'd heard of this story was on Bret Baier's show today and he interviewed Turley.
Turley went off the rails a while ago.

Reading the indictment…. There is nothing there when it comes to that.
 
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