Fauci: 'Non-workable' to get every teacher vaccinated to reopen schools

[Metric Mouse]

School districts are following CDC guidelines. By God, they're a lot of one trick ponies around here with reading comprehension issues.

Nah. CDC guidelines are that they can open. If unions are fighting that, I suppose it's technically the fault of the union and not the district, though it would be the fault of the district for not finding replacement teachers, though that would technically not be because they were not following CDC guidelines.

I see your point.

 

[jotathought]

I can see the facts are a tad confusing for you. Allow me to simplify. The CDC has set a string of "guidelines", not directives. These guidelines are to be used at individual school districts discretion, dependant on a multitude of conditions. Nowhere has the CDC implied, or otherwise stated, that reopening schools is safe, or that school staff shouldn't be Inoculated as quickly as possible. Nor have they ignored the FACT that children can catch the virus, and, even if asymptomatic, spread the virus to others. They have left it to the discretion of individual districts. One would have to be a simpleton to derive anything else from these CDC guidelines.

The CDC released their roadmap for getting students back in school .. it is the set of guidelines you've referenced, and the CDC has stated strong evidence that in-person schooling can be done safely. School aged children are a very low risk, vaccination of teachers shouldn't be an obstacle and there is a 99.7%+ recovery rate. The scenario you're highlighting about school children just isn't happening.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

The CDC released their roadmap for getting students back in school .. it is the set of guidelines you've referenced, and the CDC has stated strong evidence that in-person schooling can be done safely. School aged children are a very low risk, vaccination of teachers shouldn't be an obstacle and there is a 99.7%+ recovery rate. The scenario you're highlighting about school children just isn't happening.

. Expressing frustration to me over this issue is pointless. I've already explained the issues over and over and over, but my effort have fallen on imbecilic deaf ears. You don't like what's happening? Write your congressman. I'm done repeating myself to all y'all.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

They should be treated as any other employee. Period.

"Any other employee" is allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for better working conditions.

Since you believe that teachers should be treated as "any other employee" and since you believe that teachers should not be allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for better working conditions, then the logical conclusion is that you believe that "any other employee" should not be allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for better working conditions.

I'm so glad that you agree with Mr. Mellon's "You can't mine coal without machine guns." philosophy.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I choose to work full time. You can't compare that to a teachers position.

I most certainly can. Teachers do NOT bargain for an "hourly wage" they bargain for an "annual wage". In most cases those teachers are paid 12/10ths of their "annual income" each month of the school year and 0/10ths of their "annual income" during the "summer break".

Now if you want to ask me if I think that it is silly that schools should be closed for 1/6th of the time, you will find that I agree with you.

 

[jotathought]

. Expressing frustration to me over this issue is pointless. I've already explained the issues over and over and over, but my effort have fallen on imbecilic deaf ears. You don't like what's happening? Write your congressman. I'm done repeating myself to all y'all.

Noted .. and we'll just have to agree to disagree based on the science and guidelines presented.

 

[snakestretcher]

It's not only non workable, it's unfair.

**** teachers, they get over like fat rats as it is.

You didn't do very well in school, did you?

 

[noonereal]

"Any other employee" is allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for better working conditions.

Since you believe that teachers should be treated as "any other employee" and since you believe that teachers should not be allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for better working conditions, then the logical conclusion is that you believe that "any other employee" should not be allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for better working conditions.

I'm so glad that you agree with Mr. Mellon's "You can't mine coal without machine guns." philosophy.

I favor private workers unions. I am against any public worker's unions.

 

[noonereal]

You didn't do very well in school, did you?

no I did not. This in spite of testing a genius and graduating early.
The entire educational system is ass backwards and marginalizes many. It should be completely scrapped and started anew.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

no I did not. This in spite of testing a genius and graduating early.
The entire educational system is ass backwards and marginalizes many. It should be completely scrapped and started anew.

That's odd. Why would they have someone who didn't do well in school testing geniuses?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I favor private workers unions. I am against any public worker's unions.

Ahh, so you favour having two separate sets of "workers' rights" - one for "Those People" and one for yourself and "The Right People".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

no I did not. This in spite of testing a genius and graduating early.
The entire educational system is ass backwards and marginalizes many. It should be completely scrapped and started anew.

Interesting thought.

Possibly you would be willing to share your thoughts on what the curriculum SHOULD be.

 

[noonereal]

Ahh, so you favour having two separate sets of "workers' rights" - one for "Those People" and one for yourself and "The Right People".

You are clearly tightly bound to a public union making meaningful objective debate impossible.

If you can't see the delineation, you simply don't want to.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You are clearly tightly bound to a public union making meaningful objective debate impossible.

If you can't see the delineation, you simply don't want to.

"A worker is a worker is a worker." to (very badly) paraphrase Gertrude Stein.

Now, if you want to ask me whether the civil service (or any other "public sector employers") should have the same "right to terminate" as a private company has, my answer is "Yes, of course.".

And, if you want to ask me if I were to favour tying civil service (or any other "public sector") employees' base wages to some objective standard (the cost of living or the average increase in private sector wages, as just two exampled), my answer, again, would be "Yes, of course.".

And if you want to ask me if I were to favour establishing "productivity/success bonuses" (based on clear and objective standards) for civil service (or any other "public sector") employees, my answer, yet again, would be "Yes, of course.".