Fathers denied Reproductive Rights.

[Lursa]

I have extensive experience reading pro-abortion posters spewing nonsense and laying bare the complete lack of reason and logic in their posts, yes.

Another excellent example that you cannot understand the written word.

 

[Bodi]

Another excellent example that you cannot understand the written word.

He understands it... he just can't accept anything, and I mean anything, that opposes his views on this issue.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

He understands it... he just can't accept anything, and I mean anything, that opposes his views on this issue.

Logic's a lot simpler when you determine the conclusion you want in advance.

 

[Bodi]

Logic's a lot simpler when you determine the conclusion you want in advance.

yeah... and if you determine that something illogical is logical.

 

[joko104]

I have extensive experience reading pro-abortion posters...

:lamo

 

[choiceone]

You don't see how killing an born human life is the same as killing an unborn human life? You don't see that dead is the same in both instances? Really?



Depends on when it is detached...



Not really. Dead is dead.

Sorry, I completely disagree with your view. The issue has never been the "taking of a human life." The issues have always been, does an embryo have a right to be biologically attached to a woman's body if she does not consent prior to the attachment and give ongoing consent to it, does the government or do other people have the right to know whether or not there is an embryo inside and attached to a woman's body without her prior and ongoing consent, and does abortion violate an existing person's right to life? Those are the only issues I am aware of.

Second, the embryo can't survive if detached because it is an embryo NOT a fetus, which is a later stage of development of the entity. A fetus can't survive until it becomes viable. There are cases where a brain-dead woman has been kept technically alive by artificial means in order to continue the woman's pregnancy from a point earlier than fetal viability, but since women have the right to make living wills that forbid other people and the state to keep their bodies artificially alive when they are brain-dead, this sort of event cannot legally occur unless the woman has agreed to it before being brain-dead or has failed to make such a living will.

Just because a fetus is past the usual point of viability does not mean it is viable. Furthermore, in cases of severely deformed fetuses or serious threat to the woman's health or life, it would be extremely immoral to force the woman to continue the pregnancy. Indeed, in the event that late-term abortion was completely banned, I believe that there would have to be an accompanying law that stated the following:

1) in the event that the woman dies, her husband, children, parents, or other survivors will have the right to demand prosecution of all of the legislators who voted for the abortion ban and the governor/president who signed it into law on a charge of at least manslaughter 2 or negligent homicide.

2) in the event that the woman is made permanently severely injured, physically or mentally, by continuing the pregnancy, her husband, children, parents, or other survivors will have the right to take to court all of the legislators who voted to ban abortion and the governor/president who signed it into law on a charge of negligent injury or harm, with damages, including punitive damages to be paid.

3) in the event that the child born has serious physical/mental problems, the woman, her husband, and her children can demand the right to (2) and to have the court place the child in the custody of one of the legislators who voted to ban abortion or the governor/president who signed it into law.

I think that might suffice to deter future lawmakers from trying to impose their ridiculous bans on their states or this nation.

You can say "Dead is dead" all you please. You will have no effect whatsoever on my view.

 

[Bodi]

Sorry, I completely disagree with your view. The issue has never been the "taking of a human life." The issues have always been, does an embryo have a right to be biologically attached to a woman's body if she does not consent prior to the attachment and give ongoing consent to it, does the government or do other people have the right to know whether or not there is an embryo inside and attached to a woman's body without her prior and ongoing consent, and does abortion violate an existing person's right to life? Those are the only issues I am aware of.

Second, the embryo can't survive if detached because it is an embryo NOT a fetus, which is a later stage of development of the entity. A fetus can't survive until it becomes viable. There are cases where a brain-dead woman has been kept technically alive by artificial means in order to continue the woman's pregnancy from a point earlier than fetal viability, but since women have the right to make living wills that forbid other people and the state to keep their bodies artificially alive when they are brain-dead, this sort of event cannot legally occur unless the woman has agreed to it before being brain-dead or has failed to make such a living will.

Just because a fetus is past the usual point of viability does not mean it is viable. Furthermore, in cases of severely deformed fetuses or serious threat to the woman's health or life, it would be extremely immoral to force the woman to continue the pregnancy. Indeed, in the event that late-term abortion was completely banned, I believe that there would have to be an accompanying law that stated the following:

1) in the event that the woman dies, her husband, children, parents, or other survivors will have the right to demand prosecution of all of the legislators who voted for the abortion ban and the governor/president who signed it into law on a charge of at least manslaughter 2 or negligent homicide.

2) in the event that the woman is made permanently severely injured, physically or mentally, by continuing the pregnancy, her husband, children, parents, or other survivors will have the right to take to court all of the legislators who voted to ban abortion and the governor/president who signed it into law on a charge of negligent injury or harm, with damages, including punitive damages to be paid.

3) in the event that the child born has serious physical/mental problems, the woman, her husband, and her children can demand the right to (2) and to have the court place the child in the custody of one of the legislators who voted to ban abortion or the governor/president who signed it into law.

I think that might suffice to deter future lawmakers from trying to impose their ridiculous bans on their states or this nation.

You can say "Dead is dead" all you please. You will have no effect whatsoever on my view.

I am making a logical argument and don't care to change your view at all... disagree all you like.