Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia**[W:808]**

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Honestly, did any of you liberals study this and perhaps post about the wrongness of it all?
These Antifa Leftists are the worst, but I never seem to see them on any news channel but Fox.
In all other cases, including what I saw last night, these are called "counter protesters"

Defend a Nazi running over 30 people by pointing to counter-protesters. Good job.

Newsflash: It wasn't antifa who ran down those people yesterday. It was a Trump supporter.

 

[Cable]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Defend a Nazi running over 30 people by pointing to counter-protesters. Good job.

Newsflash: It wasn't antifa who ran down those people yesterday. It was a Trump supporter.

Right. Now what does Antifa do? Do you support them? I don't hear the news media talking about how aweful Antifa is. Only the Alt-right.
Do you expect the Alt-right not to be able to recruit when the Alt-left gets a pass?

That seems foolish to me.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Right. Now what does Antifa do? Do you support them? I don't hear the news media talking about how aweful Antifa is. Only the Alt-right.
Do you expect the Alt-right not to be able to recruit when the Alt-left gets a pass?

That seems foolish to me.

I support people who stand against Nazis. Why don't you?

And, why are you deflecting from the fact: a white Nazi ran down 30 people?

 

[Vox]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Did the left force that alt right protester to drive a car into a crowd of people?
.

The Leftists came armed to do violence against a legal demonstration. They did violence. That makes them responsible.

The criminal is always responsible for ALL those injured in the commission of his crime, whether by accident or intent.

:ind:

 

[Cable]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I support people who stand against Nazis. Why don't you?

If you mean why don't I support antifa it is because they are just the other side of the Nazi coin. I can see that, and it is evil too.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

If you mean why don't I support antifa it is because they are just the other side of the Nazi coin. I can see that, and it is evil too.

Anti fascist is a good position to take. Pro-fascist not so much.

And, again, why are you not addressing the Nazi who ran over 30 people, killing one and seriously injuring a half dozen others?

 

[Cable]

Also, when Leftists call anyone they disagree with politically Nazis then the term itself is in doubt.
It is a rules for radicals tactic. It works, but it is a poor and short term solution to a problem the left faces.
Honesty, truth, and justice are always the best long term solution.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Are you really saying that white supremacism is not the cause of the above?

The men and women who marched last night, chanting and hashtagging #unitetheright, and the men and women in Charlottesville today, are not random loonies. They exist in coffeeshops and boardrooms. They are your neighbors. They are my neighbors. They’re schoolteachers and Little League baseball coaches; bartenders and accountants; architects and marketing directors; registered nurses and police officers. They’re at our kitchen tables and happy hours and bbqs and weddings. They’re in our families. They’re on our couches. They’re on our T-Mobile family plans. They’re in our beds.

Attitudes like this don't begin and end at the marches. Attitudes like this pervade American culture. And they are most certainly a cause of the racial in equality we see today.

I would have to say that is complete balderdash. The Charlottesville white supremacy marchers were and are in fact "random loonies."

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I understand Trump is the hero of Racists. And, that will soon take its toll.

It's clear that you don't understand much based on this statement. Racists exist on all sides and I don't think anyone racist against whites support Trump. You continue to make such laughable broad generalized statements that are so ridiculous that it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

I would bet that there are more racists that voted against Trump then there are that voted for him but I could be wrong. But you and your ilk only attack the racists that you don't agree with politically. It's so easy to call out all racists and all racism as being backwards and wrong. I do it all the time and yet I haven't seen you or your ilk do it once. Instead, you're here trying to make a political point over a tragedy that so many right of center have condemned from the moment it happened. Perhaps your emotions have once again taken over and any semblance of reason has been removed from your thinking process. Based on your posts in this very thread, it's clear that this is the case.

 

[Vox]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

The victims are the people in the hospital and the dead person. Is that the "they" you are talking about. I am asking because I don't want to put words into your mouth. And in case you didn't know, counter-protests are just as legitimate as protests because you are protesting the other protestors.

Now, violence is wrong. Any counter-protesters who initiated any violence should be charged. But you have zero evidence that the victims, the people hit by the car, engaged in any violence.

Wrong.

To instigate mob violence is called inciting a riot.

That is the crime of the Leftists who came armed with clear intent to do violence.

When you do a crime it is the law that anyone harmed in the commission of your crime is your responsibility.

Thus the Leftists who armed themselves and came to attack legal protestors are responsible for the whole thing.

They could have had a separate and peaceful protest. They did not. They attacked.

This is not an action of peace and love this is an action of aggression.

:ind:

 

[Cable]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Anti fascist is a good position to take. Pro-fascist not so much.
And, again, why are you not addressing the Nazi who ran over 30 people, killing one and seriously injuring a half dozen others?

Yes but it's like calling everyone on the right Nazi. When the entire right is called fascist, the left has already lost. They just don't know it. Violence on both sides will ratchet upward.
Your 'solution' is part of the problem.
You seem more than willing to support the leftist nazi fascists who claim they are neither, but their actions prove otherwise.
Folks aren't so gullible Calamity. There will be an answer to that foolishness, and we are seeing it unfold.
There is a better way for everyone. But we seem to want to repeat history.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

It's clear that you don't understand much based on this statement. Racists exist on all sides and I don't think anyone racist against whites support Trump. You continue to make such laughable broad generalized statements that are so ridiculous that it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

I would bet that there are more racists that voted against Trump then there are that voted for him but I could be wrong. But you and your ilk only attack the racists that you don't agree with politically. It's so easy to call out all racists and all racism as being backwards and wrong. I do it all the time and yet I haven't seen you or your ilk do it once. Instead, you're here trying to make a political point over a tragedy that so many right of center have condemned from the moment it happened. Perhaps your emotions have once again taken over and any semblance of reason has been removed from your thinking process. Based on your posts in this very thread, it's clear that this is the case.

Your president has not condemned it yet, at least not in uncertain terms which did not need re clarification from a third party.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/896769090093805568

And, don't you think he would have been all over this if that car was driven by a Muslim? :roll:

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Yes but it's like calling everyone on the right Nazi. When the entire right is called fascist, the left has already lost. They just don't know it. Violence on both sides will ratchet upward.
Your 'solution' is part of the problem.
You seem more than willing to support the leftist nazi fascists who claim they are neither, but their actions prove otherwise.
Folks aren't so gullible Calamity. There will be an answer to that foolishness, and we are seeing it unfold.
There is a better way for everyone. But we seem to want to repeat history.

You still can't condemn that Trump Supporter for running down 30 people. Can you?

No. Instead of doing what is right, you point Left. :roll:

 

[Cable]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Your president has not condemned it yet, at least not in uncertain terms which did not need re clarification from a third party.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/896769090093805568

And, don't you think he would have been all over this if that car was driven by a Muslim? :roll:

So you are holding him to a higher standard than you adhere to?

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Terrorism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

ter·ror·ism
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If simple murder is enough, when the crime was attributable, more white people kill each other in the US each year than blacks. Sorry if Fox news doesn't cover that.

Lol, I was using the word as the left has use it for years to make a point, and you made it for me, thank you. The left uses the term terrorism when it suits them, even if it doesn't fit by definition. Yesterday was not an act of terrorism, it was an act of rage against a group of people who were on the other side of his thinking. It wasn't politically motivated, but it was a heinous act and it caused/created terror. The left also likes to use other terms incorrectly like "racist" when they disagree with someone.

And for the record, I don't watch Fox News any more or any less than I watch CNN. But nice try at trying to make a valid point. Better luck next time!

 

[Nilly]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I would have to say that is complete balderdash. The Charlottesville white supremacy marchers were and are in fact "random loonies."

Here's one of the marchers, Peter ‪Cvjetanovic, chilling with Sen Dean Heller



Here's Jason Kessler (the guy that organized the march) hanging with Rep. Tom Garrett



Here's James Allsup, Charlottesville protestor by night, Wash State U. College Republicans president by day.





When will you guys get it? These people are not fringe. They are part of the fabric of this country. They existed in numbers enough to ensure Bannon is Whitehouse chief strategist and Sessions is US A.G.

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Your president has not condemned it yet, at least not in uncertain terms which did not need re clarification from a third party.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/896769090093805568

And, don't you think he would have been all over this if that car was driven by a Muslim? :roll:

Actually he condemned all of it, but you and your ilk is so hellbent at twisting and turning to try to make a point that it's become "entertaining" at this point. And I have a news flash for you, he is your President too.

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Which party champions the cause of the symbols of a "country" which literally owned African Americans? Which party panders to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to control the rural vote?

The answer to your first question is neither Republicans or Democrats. The answer to your 2nd question is neither Republicans or Democrats. But if you had asked which party panders to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to control the urban vote, the answer to that one is quite easy - the Democrats. But of course that has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is really for another thread. I now return you to trying to make a valid point and i wish you the best of luck because you have failed miserably so far in this thread.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

When will you guys get it? These people are not fringe. They are part of the fabric of this country. They existed in numbers enough to ensure Bannon is Whitehouse chief strategist and Sessions is US A.G.

An old, tired propagandist's trick. It has always been possible to find photos of the notorious taken with unsuspecting normal people. It means nothing.

I'm certainly no supporter of the Trump administration, but I don't consider either Bannon or Sessions to be a threat to our Republic.

 

[Nilly]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

An old, tired propagandist's trick. It has always been possible to find photos of the notorious taken with unsuspecting normal people. It means nothing.

I'm certainly no supporter of the Trump administration, but I don't consider either Bannon or Sessions to be a threat to our Republic.

Ah, good ol' willful ignorance. Keep those fingers in those ears and keep yelling lalala.

Here's some more info on some of the thought leaders at the march: Who are the Alt-Right Leaders Addressing the White Nationalist Rally in Charlottesville?

Of course you don't see them as a threat. You're white. They're not a threat to you. That's your white privilege right there (and mine!).

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I support people who stand against Nazis. Why don't you?

And, why are you deflecting from the fact: a white Nazi ran down 30 people?

There is currently, on the streets, smashing storefronts and setting things on fire, a group called “Antifa,” for “anti-fascist.” Antifa are not a new phenomenon; they surfaced during the Occupy movement, and during the anti-globalization protests of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Antifa movements began in early-20th-century Europe, when fascism was a concrete and urgent concern, and they remain active on the Continent. Lately, Antifa have emerged as the militant fringe of #TheResistance against Donald Trump — who, they maintain, is a fascist, ushering into power a fascist regime. In Washington, D.C., Antifa spent the morning of Inauguration Day lighting trash cans on fire, throwing rocks and bottles at police officers, setting ablaze a limousine, and tossing chunks of pavement through the windows of several businesses. On February 1, Antifa set fires and stormed buildings at the University of California–Berkeley to prevent an appearance by Breitbart provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos. (They succeeded.) In April, they threatened violence if Ann Coulter spoke on the campus; when the university and local law enforcement refused to find a secure location for her to speak, she withdrew, saying the situation was too dangerous.
...
The purpose of words is, the philosopher Josef Pieper suggested, “to convey reality.” But it is clear that, for Antifa, the purpose is to cloak reality. Antifa’s reason for describing something or someone as “fascist” is not that it is actually fascist (although perhaps on occasion they do stumble onto the genuine item), but that describing it that way is politically advantageous. Likewise with any number of other slurs. Antifa are in effect claiming to oppose everything that is bad — and, of course, it is Antifa who decide what is bad. Hence the organizers of the Inauguration Day protests could write, as their mission statement, that “#DisruptJ20 rejects all forms of domination and oppression.” That is a good monopoly if you can get it.​

Antifa Protest Movement & the Roots of Left-Wing Political Violence | National Review

Antifa behavior sounds like white nazi behavior, doesn't it?

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

you always find a way to blame the left for everything.

What happened today was a result of right wing Trump voters acting up. Accept it, and own it. These were Trump voters causing problems.

I highly doubt that there were very many Trump voters in the counter protesters. They caused just as many problems, if not more, than the idiot white nationalists did. Had the counter protesters not shown up and given the attention the white nationalists were seeking, yesterday would have been a non-event.

Oh, I'm sorry, the facts don't support your claim and only make your ramblings seem like the ignorant partisan ramblings that they are. Carry on with ignoring the facts and blaming just one side for the conflict between two sides.

 

[JoeTrumps]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Justifying a violent race rally because...."the Left"? Keep digging.

like how the left justifies the race riots in Ferguson, Baltimore and Dallas? only your side gets to do that huh? and all I'm saying is you practice identity politics like the left, don't be surprised when you get it thrown back at you.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

yeah, if only the left hadn't screwed the country up so badly the last 8 years. maybe they would have the political power to do something. To bad. Probably should have spoken up then, huh?

Except that "the left" didn't. Unless one was living under a rock or had Fox News playing 24/7, you would know about the remarkable achievement of the previous administration.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Yesterday was not an act of terrorism, it was an act of rage against a group of people who were on the other side of his thinking. It wasn't politically motivated, but it was a heinous act and it caused/created terror.

Good grief, you totally contradicted yerself there, red, if it was an act of violence, a killing, against those on "the other side of his thinking", it was by definition... TERRORISM.