Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia**[W:808]**

[haymarket]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Trump has demonstrated it in every remark so far, how much more evidence do you need? A signed confession?
Trump won't even provide the public with his taxes, that every president and even candidates have provided for some 40 years. I think getting a confession from Trump isn't gonna happen.

You cannot confess if you believe you are without sin and Trump sees himself as the center of the universe, all good, all powerful and all without any fault.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

"But the right does not engage in violence during protests! It is the far left 98% of the time!" That is what we were told during the Berkeley riots...

Obama supporters burn't down parts of a large town and city during recent protests.

Does that give reason to ridicule blacks or democrats?

There is plenty of ugly regardless of skin color and political affiliation.

 

[Taylor]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

An act of terrorism, White supremicists committed an act of terrorism

We don't even know who the driver was, yet.

 

[cabse5]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I can hear you - and I think they could be well used in a civil war museum. I'd hate to see them destroyed. Context is everything, IMO.

But this is about racism - not statues:

Dozens of white nationalists marched through the University of Virginia campus on Friday night carrying torches as they chanted “You will not replace us.”

The demonstrators, who also yelled "blood and soil" — a phrase tied to Nazi ideology — made their way through the Charlottesville campus before encircling a group of counter-protesters gathered around a statue of Thomas Jefferson.

A fight broke out, and some of the white nationalists swung their tiki torches at people, according to the Daily Progress

The Unite the Right rally, which is expected to draw 2,000 to 6,000 people, could be the "largest white supremacist gathering in a decade," according to the Anti-Defamation League.

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The crowd with the torches are the White Power/Nazi/Right Wing protestor. The handful of college kids in the middle are the ones who were assaulted.

Tienanmen square kinda bravery there - standing against a large crowd like that.

Yes, it was about racism. Some white supremacists got a permit to protest and other racists, some anitfa protestors, decided they had to fight with the white supremacists. Racism all around.

 

[slick]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Well, except for history. I do find it funny that the black people that lived in the area predominantly had no problem with the statues. Then whites start moving in.. the blacks can't afford to live there anymore.. and the white transplants predominantly want removal of the statues.

That's the truth! All of this, because white liberals can't respect the First Amendment.

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Obama supporters burn't down parts of a large town and city during recent protests.

Does that give reason to ridicule blacks or democrats?

There is plenty of ugly regardless of skin color and political affiliation.

Did I ridicule whites or Republicans?

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Killing one and injuring 19 so far; making America hate again ;;;

An act of terrorism, White supremicists committed an act of terrorism

You guys might want to slow down until all the facts come out. I seem to say this many times when an incident happens when everyone jumps to conclusions before the actual facts come in. Michael Brown comes to mind when everyone lost their minds until the facts came in and told a different story than the false narrative that the media ran with.

I don't know a single person that condones the violence that happened today. The driver of that car should be punished to the fullest extent of the law once convicted. The white nationalist rally (or whatever you want to call it) was a bad idea, but it is their right to gather in numbers and show what imbeciles they are. The counter protesters gathering was not only a bad idea, but an incredibly stupid idea worse than the white nationalists idea was. They too have a constitutional right to share their idiocy as well even though they didn't obtain a permit. All they did by showing up as well was bring media attention to the white nationalist imbeciles in an effort to make them look bad? The white nationalists already looked bad and couldn't possibly make themselves look any worse. But the anti-protesters had to add fuel to the fire and now someone has lost their life from all of this. I'm not blaming the media, the white nationalists or the counter protesters for the death as that lies solely with the driver of the car.

But I suppose time will most likely prove me to be correct again and all of this misguided anger and finger pointing from both sides won't solve a single problem or bring us all together any time soon. But feel free to continue to leap to conclusions that most likely won't end up being valid and continue to fuel the hate with stupidity if that's your thing. It hasn't worked so far but continue anyway.

 

[Angelus]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Here's one. Just a start, but there are others.

MORE PC BS: Civil War Museum Under Attack For Displaying, You Guessed It, Civil War Stuff. » DailySurge

A single display in a single museum was disliked...not all that impressive despited the headline

There is no excuse for that ****. The right wingers should be condemning this like they did BLM and black people rioting. If they fail to do so, the GOP looks racist, again.

And that is all of it right there - we are down to the lowest common denominator with each other. We truly believe that those we disagree with support the most radcal element in their party.

An act of terrorism, White supremicists committed an act of terrorism

Yeah - if this was a radical Muslim plowing into a crowd of people it would be terrorism. In fact, in Britain and France these have been called terrorist attacks. But a radical white nationalist plowing into a crowd of BLM protestors will no doubt be a disturbed individual. Killers who kill in the name of white nationalism are not terrorists - a sick double standard.

Yes, it was about racism. Some white supremacists got a permit to protest and other racists, some anitfa protestors decided they had to fight with the white supremacists. Racism all around.

Okay - so those protesting the white supremacists are racist in your eyes? Against what race?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Did I ridicule whites or Republicans?

"But the right does not engage in violence during protests! It is the far left 98% of the time!" That is what we were told during the Berkeley riots...

Do you think everyone is stupid?

I dunno many leftist republicans pards.

 

[cabse5]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Yeah - if this was a radical Muslim plowing into a crowd of people it would be terrorism. In fact, in Britain and France these have been called terrorist attacks. But a radical white nationalist plowing into a crowd of BLM protestors will no doubt be a disturbed individual. Killers who kill in the name of white nationalism are not terrorists - a sick double standard.



Okay - so those protesting the white supremacists are racist in your eyes? Against what race?

Anti-white racists.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Anti-white racists.

:roll:

 

[Nilly]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Right, I know that's what you feel.

What I'm ASKING is do you feel that way about ALL candidates, or is that mentality unique about Trump and his supporters?

Remove Trump from the equation. Do you agree with this statement?

"If you vote for a Candidate, that means at the least you are okay, or at least indifferent, to everything related to their campaign for election"

And as a sign of good faith, I'll even answer your question even though you've still not answered mine...

No, I don't agree with that choice. I think it's absolutely possible for someone to vote for a candidate and to also be NOT okay, and even hostile, to various aspects related to their campaign for election.

(and note, before you think this is some attempt to defend my voting/support of Trump....I've been a critic of Trump since the primaries, and voted for Evan McMullin in the general)

I understand you've been critical of Trump, and I noticed that you made the switch from Red to Green as a mod. I genuinely applaud that.

And I think it applies to all candidates. Not just Trump. In order to justify your vote for a candidate, any candidate, you had to decide that their downsides just weren't that big of a deal to you.

edit: I would add that whilst I think this applies to all politicians I would not use it as an argument against all politicians. For example, I don't think John Kasich (or his campaign) display any traits which, in my opinion, act as a complete disqualifier for the Presidency.

(Except, again, maybe climate change - but I think 'not believing in climate change' is a matter of ignorance rather than moral character - and thus isn't quite comparable to blatant sexism/racism).

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

"But the right does not engage in violence during protests! It is the far left 98% of the time!" That is what we were told during the Berkeley riots...

Do you think everyone is stupid?

I dunno many leftist republicans pards.

That is indeed what certain posters said during the Berkeley riots. How is that ridiculing white Republicans?

 

[cabse5]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

So, M. Waters, for example, wants to have a 'safe space' that only includes blacks. Should we fight M.Waters like the antifa protestors fought the white supremacists, today?

 

[Nilly]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

"White privilege" is just a propaganda talking point. Class privilege, on the other hand, is real.

I completely and utterly disagree.

If you so wish, I can point you towards a couple threads where I posted extensively on the topic too, if you want to learn my position/justification on the subject? It's Saturday evening and I can't give it the attention the topic deserves right now.

 

[Angelus]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Anti-white racists.

So you define the nazis, the klan and the white supremacists as simply white people - and anyone who objects to them objects to all white people as a race? Trying to wrap my lobes around this one.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I understand you've been critical of Trump, and I noticed that you made the switch from Red to Green as a mod. I genuinely applaud that.

And I think it applies to all candidates. Not just Trump. In order to justify your vote for a candidate, any candidate, you had to decide that their downsides just weren't that big of a deal to you.

Personally, I can see the occasional hold your nose and vote for a candidate who is less than perfect, or even far from it. But, this election had two candidates who crossed that line. So, IMO, the only options were third party, write-in or no presidential vote at all.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

That is indeed what certain posters said during the Berkeley riots. How is that ridiculing white Republicans?

I will stay quiet.

You know damn well what you meant by your tit for tat nonsense.

Please.............have the last word and have fun with it. It's just a forum where we don't take warm showers together. :lamo

 

[haymarket]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You guys might want to slow down until all the facts come out. I seem to say this many times when an incident happens when everyone jumps to conclusions before the actual facts come in. Michael Brown comes to mind when everyone lost their minds until the facts came in and told a different story than the false narrative that the media ran with.

I don't know a single person that condones the violence that happened today. The driver of that car should be punished to the fullest extent of the law once convicted. The white nationalist rally (or whatever you want to call it) was a bad idea, but it is their right to gather in numbers and show what imbeciles they are. The counter protesters gathering was not only a bad idea, but an incredibly stupid idea worse than the white nationalists idea was. They too have a constitutional right to share their idiocy as well even though they didn't obtain a permit. All they did by showing up as well was bring media attention to the white nationalist imbeciles in an effort to make them look bad? The white nationalists already looked bad and couldn't possibly make themselves look any worse. But the anti-protesters had to add fuel to the fire and now someone has lost their life from all of this. I'm not blaming the media, the white nationalists or the counter protesters for the death as that lies solely with the driver of the car.

But I suppose time will most likely prove me to be correct again and all of this misguided anger and finger pointing from both sides won't solve a single problem or bring us all together any time soon. But feel free to continue to leap to conclusions that most likely won't end up being valid and continue to fuel the hate with stupidity if that's your thing. It hasn't worked so far but continue anyway.

NO.

We will NOT stand by and watch as neo Nazism comes to our shores.

NO. Do not ask us to simply stand by while these spewers of hate organize and try to increase their numbers.

Ad Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah - said it well




"We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home. -OGH,"


We must challenge nazism or any American variation of that doctrine where ever it rears its ugly head.

 

[SheWolf]

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You specifically mentioned how Fox News talked about BLM. I specifically told you about how Fox News is covering this incident today.

I have constantly talked negatively about the hateful white supremacists in this thread.

I have even pointed out to you in previous posts that I have been doing so (which you ignored).

Stop pretending you aren't reading what you are reading in this thread so you can keep perpetuating the lie that the right welcomes these white supremacists.

And yet your post doesn't change my mind about the majority of Trump supporters or right wingers here. It's going to take seeing and hearing them condemn this stuff themselves.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I completely and utterly disagree.

If you so wish, I can point you towards a couple threads where I posted extensively on the topic too, if you want to learn my position/justification on the subject? It's Saturday evening and I can't give it the attention the topic deserves right now.

I don't believe there would be any point.

 

[Nilly]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I am a little confused by what you mean. I am impacted by the political climate, and by Trump's rhetoric and what he may do or not to immigration and Muslim immigration.

I don't personally feel impacted by these protests and riots necessarily.

Just as a foreword, I didn't mean that post in a antagonistic tone, nor the following:

In this thread, in response to me, you have spoken about how the election of Trump, his actions in the Whitehouse affect you personally, that they scare you, that they could potentially lead to any number of horrible outcomes for you/your family (this is something I sympathize with you on - and believe is completely understandable). You have also described how some people who do not feel the same way, do so because they do not fear those same outcomes. That is a from of 'privilege' they have.

In the same way, the fact that you are not scared/personally affected by white supremacists marching through the streets of an American city is a privilege you benefit from (and so do I!) that many people in this country do not also feel.

White privilege is not having to worry or feel scared about this kind of thing happening. In the same way there are people out there who are privileged enough to not have to worry about the consequences of a Trump presidency.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[Nilly]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I don't believe there would be any point.

Agreed, which is why I didn't waste my time typing out my points.

 

[Mach]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

General Lee saw slavery as immoral, and even worse for the spirit of white folks as for blacks. His wife was a part of an organization that, knowing blacks would never be treated fairly in America as equals, worked towards colonizing Liberia by shipping American slave blacks back to Africa. Lincoln was also involved in this group.
Both Lincoln and Lee made white supremacy comments, as well as those condemning slavery. Yet because Lee decided to return to Virginia to defend his home state, on the wrong side of a war, he is not given a pass.

That people become symbols is part of how human history, and society in general, functions. You take issue with it, I understand, but that's just how the world works.

Lincoln and Lee became symbols as much as caricatures of real people. One, a president who served during the most trying time in U.S. history, ending up on the winning side against his war that most historians agree was ultimately about ending slavery. Lee, chose to take up arms against the North, and became a prominent general in that struggle, on the side of slavery.

You can read biography's about him, see him in a museum, read about in in a history book at school, etc, and those should all aim to provide as accurate a picture as practical. But as a symbol of southern pride, it takes on a much bigger meaning than just his personal life and struggles. As a monument in a diverse city, in the public square, it stands as a symbol of pride in the fight for slavery.

We can quibble about who was really more against slavery, etc., but I don't think that's your point or your desire either.

Did southerners ever really experience decades of southern shame, the way it's reported that Germany felt about Nazis, or Japan with WWII, for example? These things literally shaped their future governments and society, in ways that still reverberate today.

But in the South, it seems that Southerners just got bitter, and bided their time, and Southern pride swells again, culminating with as David Duke put it:
“This represents a turning point for the people of this country,” “We are determined to take our country back. We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in, that’s why we voted for Donald Trump. Because he said he’s going to take our country back. That’s what we gotta do.”

Sounds like remorse. Socialists and atheists and agitators...were too soft on the south. Maybe they should have gone medieval on them after the war? Maybe we wouldn't have the issues we have today if they did?

 

[Mach]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You went from a violent protest to taxes?Demonstrated what exactly?I don't like Trump either, but I dislike rhetoric even worse.

So Trump's communications are not mostly rhetoric? I don't follow.

So you agree he hasn't explicitly called out the white nationalists the way he has Jeff Session, or Mitch McConnell, directly, by name, without any generalization? I was simply pointing out that you have all the evidence you can actually get on the matter, that a "signed confession" from Trump, is not going to be forthcoming, since the body of evidence with regards to his sharing of information, is lacking.

It's just a forum where we don't take warm showers together. :lamo

That sounds kinda nice. Wait, what!?


*edit: Since I included the edit after that to condense, Retired USN may not be thanking the first part!