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Fall Nights Are Warming in Our Changing Climate

Try to cover up your lies and deception with more lies and deception. FROM YOUR LINK, These are the gases that absorb light, both infrared and visible.

Main atmospheric gases absorbing/emitting in the IR: CO2, H2O, O3, CH4, N2O, CFCs.

And that is why CO2, the gas that is a relatively small component of air, effects the climate, just as your link, which was submitted as Denial, supports.
I do not think many people say that CO2 does not have IR absorption bands, it does!
4.3 um, 9.6 um, 10.6 um, and 15 um, of those only 15 um is not also absorbed by other much more common
atmospheric components. Ether way while CO2 at ground state can absorb 15 um photons, is mostly
does not re emit them, but rather passes of the energy through contact, and microwaves.
The only real requirement is that the energy in and the energy out must equal.
There is also a saturation factor, where CO2 is not at ground state and the photon passes on by.
Studies show that most of the 15 um emissions are absorbed within the first 100 meters.
R. Philipona, B. Du¨rr, and C. Marty et al 2003
"Greenhouse effect and altitude gradients over
the Alps – by surface longwave radiation
measurements and model calculated LOR"
Simply showing that is some cases CO2 can absorb 15um photons, does not validate the concept of AGW.
The forcing warming from added CO2 could be only 36% of the predicted ECS, id the IPCC predictions are to be believed.
 
I do not think many people say that CO2 does not have IR absorption bands, it does!
4.3 um, 9.6 um, 10.6 um, and 15 um, of those only 15 um is not also absorbed by other much more common
atmospheric components. Ether way while CO2 at ground state can absorb 15 um photons, is mostly
does not re emit them, but rather passes of the energy through contact, and microwaves.
The only real requirement is that the energy in and the energy out must equal.
There is also a saturation factor, where CO2 is not at ground state and the photon passes on by.
Studies show that most of the 15 um emissions are absorbed within the first 100 meters.
R. Philipona, B. Du¨rr, and C. Marty et al 2003
"Greenhouse effect and altitude gradients over
the Alps – by surface longwave radiation
measurements and model calculated LOR"
Simply showing that is some cases CO2 can absorb 15um photons, does not validate the concept of AGW.
The forcing warming from added CO2 could be only 36% of the predicted ECS, id the IPCC predictions are to be believed.

I think you have a ways to go, before you get your phD in Climatology. I am not a Climatologist and I am not going attempt to critique your analysis. I suggest you voice your concerns to the IPCC. That is, unless you think they are all in a conspiracy, and will give you a false answer.
 
Try to cover up your lies and deception with more lies and deception. FROM YOUR LINK, These are the gases that absorb light, both infrared and visible.

Main atmospheric gases absorbing/emitting in the IR: CO2, H2O, O3, CH4, N2O, CFCs.

And that is why CO2, the gas that is a relatively small component of air, effects the climate, just as your link, which was submitted as Denial, supports.

So, you're claiming those six bands are outside of visible and IR?

OK...

LOL...
 
So, you're claiming those six bands are outside of visible and IR?

OK...

LOL...

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Longfellow. You are in way over your head. You copied and pasted data from an advanced scientific Georgia Tech article, not knowing anything about the subject, and obviously taking it out of context. In the same section of your table, this was stated directly above it:

Absorption of visible and near IR radiation in the gaseous atmosphere is primarily
due to H2O, O3, and CO2.


You and I are not phD scientists. This article was probably a phD's thesis. As it turns out, your original blasting of Scientific American was totally unwarranted.
 
I think you have a ways to go, before you get your phD in Climatology. I am not a Climatologist and I am not going attempt to critique your analysis. I suggest you voice your concerns to the IPCC. That is, unless you think they are all in a conspiracy, and will give you a false answer.
I accept your surrender!
 
I accept your surrender!

Because of your gibberish. Hardly. I merely suggested that you take it to the IPCC. They will set your uneducated a** straight.
 
I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Longfellow. You are in way over your head. You copied and pasted data from an advanced scientific Georgia Tech article, not knowing anything about the subject, and obviously taking it out of context. In the same section of your table, this was stated directly above it:

Absorption of visible and near IR radiation in the gaseous atmosphere is primarily
due to H2O, O3, and CO2.


You and I are not phD scientists. This article was probably a phD's thesis. As it turns out, your original blasting of Scientific American was totally unwarranted.

I was pointing out important spectra were being overlooked, which are driven by the sun.

Time and again, you guys are deniers of science.

The article you quoted in post 158 is a lie. It said: "None of these three gases absorb either visible or infrared light." I was correcting that lie.

I could care less if you remain ignorant. You are defiantly OK with lying pundits that get published when you deny the facts when pointed out to you, and time and again, you deny scientific facts.

You are the denier. Not us!
 
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Because of your gibberish. Hardly. I merely suggested that you take it to the IPCC. They will set your uneducated a** straight.
No, yours is an appeal to authority, because you are unable to argue the point I have made.
 
Because of your gibberish. Hardly. I merely suggested that you take it to the IPCC. They will set your uneducated a** straight.

Yes, science is gibberish to those who can't comprehend it. You definitely fail to comprehend these sciences.
 
Back to the same three uneducated deniers on these threads. Many of us have more scientific education than any of the three of you. The difference is that, when people are educated in the sciences, they tend to say, "I don't know" more readily. They realize that others are highly educated in their scientific field, and they submit to that education. Just like I don't expect a Climatologist to tell me how to automate an Electrical Engineered Control System, I am not going to tell a Climatologist how to analyze the effects of Greenhouse Gases. Many of these experts have studied Climatology for 30 or 40 years. You are nothing but a speck on the surface of their knowledge.
 
Back to the same three uneducated deniers on these threads. Many of us have more scientific education than any of the three of you. The difference is that, when people are educated in the sciences, they tend to say, "I don't know" more readily. They realize that others are highly educated in their scientific field, and they submit to that education. Just like I don't expect a Climatologist to tell me how to automate an Electrical Engineered Control System, I am not going to tell a Climatologist how to analyze the effects of Greenhouse Gases. Many of these experts have studied Climatology for 30 or 40 years. You are nothing but a speck on the surface of their knowledge.

I say "I don't know" very frequently. The problem is here, I do know what I speak of.

Can you point to a specific instance I don't?
 
I say "I don't know" very frequently. The problem is here, I do know what I speak of.

Can you point to a specific instance I don't?
• Evapotranspiration
• Ocean acidification
• How feedback loops work in climate science
• How global temperature averages work
• How adjustments are made for urban heat effects
• That CH4 is (in our current environment) a more potent GHG than CO2

That's just off the top of my head.
 
Back to the same three uneducated deniers on these threads. Many of us have more scientific education than any of the three of you. The difference is that, when people are educated in the sciences, they tend to say, "I don't know" more readily. They realize that others are highly educated in their scientific field, and they submit to that education. Just like I don't expect a Climatologist to tell me how to automate an Electrical Engineered Control System, I am not going to tell a Climatologist how to analyze the effects of Greenhouse Gases. Many of these experts have studied Climatology for 30 or 40 years. You are nothing but a speck on the surface of their knowledge.

Do you have any understanding of an scientific field?

If which, and to what depth?
 
• Evapotranspiration
• Ocean acidification
• How feedback loops work in climate science
• How global temperature averages work
• How adjustments are made for urban heat effects
• That CH4 is (in our current environment) a more potent GHG than CO2

That's just off the top of my head.

Yes, and I am right about every one of my claims regarding them.

Can you prove me wrong, on the things I said regarding them?
 
Yes, and I am right about every one of my claims regarding them.

Can you prove me wrong, on the things I said regarding them?
I have, at least once, on each of those points. I see little need to relitigate all the things you get wrong in this thread.
 
I have, at least once, on each of those points. I see little need to relitigate all the things you get wrong in this thread.

No, you never have shown me to be wrong on what I said about those topics.

I'm pretty sure you just don't understand the sciences to understand what my point is. You also seem to think I am attributing all the warming to my point of view, when I am generally pointing out they are variables improperly accounted for.

Once again, you prove your confirmation bias and ignorance.

Words have meaning. I suggest you go back, and carefully read what I have said.
 
An argument to authority is absolutely appropriate when discussing complex technical topics.
Or, a sign that you are unable to discuss the topic on your own.
 
Do you have any understanding of an scientific field?

If which, and to what depth?

Within a field like Electrical Engineering, there are experts in all the different avenues of Electrical Engineering - Power Systems, Radio Frequency and Antennas, Integrated Circuit Board Design, Control Systems and Automation, to name a few. I have only a BSEE, but I spent most of my career in Industrial Control Systems and Automation. I would not expect any Climatologist to claim expertise over me, in Industrial Control Systems and Automation, and I will not claim a more superior expertise in their field.
 
Yes, and I am right about every one of my claims regarding them.

Can you prove me wrong, on the things I said regarding them?

Two points. Do you aspire to be an expert Climatologist? If so, why? Second point - Do you think there would be any value in going to an accredited University to study the subject?
 
Seen any doctors lately?
If a medical doctor gave you what sounded like an unreasonable diagnosis, would you question it
within the limits of your own knowledge, at least to the point of getting a second opinion?
 
If a medical doctor gave you what sounded like an unreasonable diagnosis, would you question it
within the limits of your own knowledge, at least to the point of getting a second opinion?
"The climate is warming, due to human activity" is a reasonable claim, and is backed by an avalanche of evidence. So, there's that.

So. Let's say my doctor tells me "you have lung cancer," even though I never smoked cigarettes, did not have much exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke, and was otherwise at low risk. I'd go to a specialist anyway, due to the severity of the disease, so let's count that as our 2nd opinion.

If the 2nd doctor gave me the same answer as the first, I'd basically be convinced.
If the 3rd doctor gave me the same answer as the first two, I'd be completely convinced.
If the 4th doctor gives me the same answer, I'm obviously just in denial, and doctor-shopping.
If 90 doctors all agreed, and the 91st doctor who disagreed was a quack who was in the pay of RJ Reynolds, should I believe him?

And yes, that is the current situation. No matter how badly you want to deny it, there is a solid scientific consensus that human activity is the dominant cause of climate change at this time.
 
"The climate is warming, due to human activity" is a reasonable claim, and is backed by an avalanche of evidence. So, there's that.

So. Let's say my doctor tells me "you have lung cancer," even though I never smoked cigarettes, did not have much exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke, and was otherwise at low risk. I'd go to a specialist anyway, due to the severity of the disease, so let's count that as our 2nd opinion.

If the 2nd doctor gave me the same answer as the first, I'd basically be convinced.
If the 3rd doctor gave me the same answer as the first two, I'd be completely convinced.
If the 4th doctor gives me the same answer, I'm obviously just in denial, and doctor-shopping.
If 90 doctors all agreed, and the 91st doctor who disagreed was a quack who was in the pay of RJ Reynolds, should I believe him?

And yes, that is the current situation. No matter how badly you want to deny it, there is a solid scientific consensus that human activity is the dominant cause of climate change at this time.

The climate is warming due to Human activity, absolutely, but that in no way validates the catastrophic claims of the IPCC.
What exactly do you think this avalanche of evidence is, and what does it support?
CO2 can absorb 15 um photons under the right conditions, but that alone would only cause 1.1 C of warming for doubling the CO2
level, even using the un validated 3.71 Wm-2 number of the IPCC.
Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof! When people make extraordinary claims, we should all expect extraordinary proof.
What is the proof that CO2 emissions can cause harm?
What is the proof that doubling the CO2 level will result in X amount of warming?
We have a nice concept, of CO2 warming, which sounds plausible on the surface, followed by a crowd of WHAT IF, THEN statements.
It goes something like this,
Doubling the CO2 level can force an energy imbalance of 3.71 Wm-2, which would force the surface troposphere system to warm by about 1.1C.
WHAT IF that warming triggered feedbacks to amplify that warming even further? THEN maybe bad things could happen,
especially if the equilibrium warming were 3C or higher, after a unknown latency period.
WHAT IF the equilibrium warming, was actually 3 C or higher, THEN all these other bad things could happen!
And those bad things could trigger other bad things.
And the ultimate What if, WHAT IF, the amplified warming passes some tipping point, and can never cool down again!!!!
It is all bootstrapping on the idea that 2XCO2 could cause an imbalance of 3.71 Wm-2.
Yet we cannot actually measure that the forcing is happening at that rate, nor detect any part of the observed warming
that could be considered feedbacks beyond the noise.
 
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