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Straight up and honest, I haven't liked Hillary from day one. I like her even less now. There is no way in hell I would support the Democratic Party nor the DNC. My vote will never go to Clinton. My money will never go to the Democratic Party.
Watch the video above objectively and tell me you'd be fine with all elections being railroaded in this manner. The actions of the Democratic Party in Nevada and the actions and words of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz all but guarantee that there will be many Sanders supporters who will not vote for Hillary.
Trump may win not in spite of the Democratic Party but because of it.
Straight up and honest, I haven't liked Hillary from day one. I like her even less now. There is no way in hell I would support the Democratic Party nor the DNC. My vote will never go to Clinton. My money will never go to the Democratic Party.
Watch the video above objectively and tell me you'd be fine with all elections being railroaded in this manner. The actions of the Democratic Party in Nevada and the actions and words of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz all but guarantee that there will be many Sanders supporters who will not vote for Hillary.
Trump may win not in spite of the Democratic Party but because of it.
That's funny, Risky, what you say about about not sending money to the DNC. I came to that same conclusion regarding the RNC earlier this year.
Maybe we have more in common with the "other side" than we think.
Straight up and honest, I haven't liked Hillary from day one. I like her even less now. There is no way in hell I would support the Democratic Party nor the DNC. My vote will never go to Clinton. My money will never go to the Democratic Party.
Watch the video above objectively and tell me you'd be fine with all elections being railroaded in this manner. The actions of the Democratic Party in Nevada and the actions and words of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz all but guarantee that there will be many Sanders supporters who will not vote for Hillary.
Trump may win not in spite of the Democratic Party but because of it.
Straight up and honest, I haven't liked Hillary from day one. I like her even less now. There is no way in hell I would support the Democratic Party nor the DNC. My vote will never go to Clinton. My money will never go to the Democratic Party.
Watch the video above objectively and tell me you'd be fine with all elections being railroaded in this manner. The actions of the Democratic Party in Nevada and the actions and words of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz all but guarantee that there will be many Sanders supporters who will not vote for Hillary.
Trump may win not in spite of the Democratic Party but because of it.
That's funny, Risky, what you say about about not sending money to the DNC. I came to that same conclusion regarding the RNC earlier this year.
Maybe we have more in common with the "other side" than we think.
Hell, I've been saying all of the above for years, decades actually. And I spent quite a few years in the precincts organizing and getting the vote out for my then party, 'till I saw the light.That's funny, Risky, what you say about about not sending money to the DNC. I came to that same conclusion regarding the RNC earlier this year.
Maybe we have more in common with the "other side" than we think.
I'm with you and Risky on the "The Ratherbe Party"? Rather be this than anything else. Both parties do sucketh.
If I may interject...You know, RM, the other thing about this that puts a thistle up my kilt is seeing the media and Trump and Hillary supporters excusing it all by saying, "It may not be pretty but that's the way democracy works..
Hell, I've been saying all of the above for years, decades actually. And I spent quite a few years in the precincts organizing and getting the vote out for my then party, 'till I saw the light.
The parties divide us and feed us bull**** and fears, in order to reap the spoils of their remaining in power. They will tell us anything and sell us even more, to keep us from uniting.
No matter how much you don't like the other guy's politics, he's still a fellow American. So educate him if you can, or learn from him if you need to - because he's got a vote too, and he's going to use it just as you are.
When our parents, grandparents, or great grandparents landed on these shores they chucked their former nation's identity, swore an oath to the Constitution, and became Americans. It's about time we as a nation start holding our American identity as our highest call, rather than be Dems, Rebubs, Liberals, Conservatives.
"American" should be the only identity and allegiance that matters.
You know, RM, the other thing about this that puts a thistle up my kilt is seeing the media and Trump and Hillary supporters excusing it all by saying, "It may not be pretty but that's the way democracy works." **** that! What happened in Nevada isn't democracy. Hell, the superdelgate scam isn't democracy.
That's really the point isn't it? It is why Trump and Sanders have done surprisingly well. Many, many Americans want democracy to return to the United States. The freaking establishment is not democracy.
"That's democracy." No! Saying that is peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining. I'm no genius but I'm not that stupid either.
The smartest thing I think Trump can do, is reachout to the Sander's disaffected. If he can sell them (and his GOP crew) that their anti-establishment disenfranchisement is foremost over their political spectrum differences, he might be unstoppable. Trump's a good salesman; he might have a shot at it.If I may interject...
In no way shape or form has Trump or any of his supporters or advocates said that the DNC screwing over Sanders is "Democracy". If anything Trump and his supporters have been sympathetic to Sanders getting cheated seeing as how Trump himself has to battle the GOP establishment trying to rig the process.
The smartest thing I think Trump can do, is reachout to the Sander's disaffected. If he can sell them (and his GOP crew) that their anti-establishment disenfranchisement is foremost over their political spectrum differences, he might be unstoppable. Trump's a good salesman; he might have a shot at it.
Also Sander's has been beating on Trump pretty steadily, so Bernie's sullied many of his followers mind's on Trump pretty well.I agree, but he's utterly failing to do this. He's already committed to taking massive corporate donations, so he's going to turn himself into being just as bought as Hillary. That'll render one of his important selling points very moot.
This also needs to be said:
I don't feel any kinship to the Democratic party anymore, and while I was loyal to Obama for the first year or two, I became increasingly disillusioned. By the time I voted for him again in 2012, I was pretty disgusted by the Democratic party and their total lack of commitment to Obama's campaign promises. I became more politically involved again in 2013 and on wards... And man, the Democratic party is a joke. No wonder people have been leaving in droves and declaring themselves as Independents. The only part I object to about that is that I'm serious that the Green party is going to be the necessary platform for any serious discussion of change and Sanders revolution.
The Democrats are firmly committed to Republican campaigning tactics, Republican foreign policy, and corporate donors. Fine, so they don't attack minorities and women (Well, unless they're voting for Sanders, then they're going straight to hell, obviously). Is that something to be proud of? Is that a satisfactory level of prerequisites that a party has to meet now in order to be considered a good, sensible, moral party?
I just... I'm done guys. As soon as the DNC reads Sanders his walking papers in July... I'm done with the DNC, the Democratic party, and those delightful Democratic party Loyalists can have it all back to themselves. Enjoy.
I'm going to revisit the bolded in this post:I agree, but he's utterly failing to do this. He's already committed to taking massive corporate donations, so he's going to turn himself into being just as bought as Hillary. That'll render one of his important selling points very moot. Also, what the **** was he thinking a week ago when he decided to go on a random ad hominem tirade against Bernie? Trump is a such a goof. If Hillary wanted to win, all she would have to do is call Trump "Goofy Trump" and she'd probably cause 10% of his voters to disappear.
I'm going to revisit the bolded in this post:
No, I disagree. The difference here is Trump needs the money to ascend to office, but he does not need the money to sustain himself or his lifestyle. He can walk away from all this; the other politicos can't - their fortune arises from their political position.
Who knows what Trump will do, but unlike other politicians I don't see his taking money as necessarily indicative of favors to later be bestowed. It could be, but in his case not necessarily.
Straight up and honest, I haven't liked Hillary from day one. I like her even less now. There is no way in hell I would support the Democratic Party nor the DNC. My vote will never go to Clinton. My money will never go to the Democratic Party.
Watch the video above objectively and tell me you'd be fine with all elections being railroaded in this manner. The actions of the Democratic Party in Nevada and the actions and words of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz all but guarantee that there will be many Sanders supporters who will not vote for Hillary.
Trump may win not in spite of the Democratic Party but because of it.
In light of your bolded ("run a 2nd time"), you might have a point.Sorry, but I just can't see how this argument makes sense. Trump ran his primary without cash, fine. But now he's about to be loaded down in donor debt. If he wants to win a second time... Yeah, he'll follow exactly what they tell him to do like literally everyone else who's run for office in the last 40 years. John McCain is a pretty honorable person (with a few deep character flaws, sure), but when he ran for office in 2008, the man sounded like he was Darth Cheney. So yes, that money influences everyone, even including people who've fought for campaign finance reform like McCain.
Secondly, when asked about campaign donations, Trump literally said that he gave money to both sides because he "knew how the game was played" and he knew that "they picked up the phones" when he called. So he has a crystal clear picture of what taking a campaign contribution means to him.
Will he go against the tides? He could, but Clinton supporters argued the same thing about her. But I don't see any evidence in either Clinton or Trump's record that suggests that they seriously aren't affected by the money.
Sorry, but I just can't see how this argument makes sense. Trump ran his primary without cash, fine. But now he's about to be loaded down in donor debt. If he wants to win a second time... Yeah, he'll follow exactly what they tell him to do like literally everyone else who's run for office in the last 40 years. John McCain is a pretty honorable person (with a few deep character flaws, sure), but when he ran for office in 2008, the man sounded like he was Darth Cheney. So yes, that money influences everyone, even including people who've fought for campaign finance reform like McCain.
Secondly, when asked about campaign donations, Trump literally said that he gave money to both sides because he "knew how the game was played" and he knew that "they picked up the phones" when he called. So he has a crystal clear picture of what taking a campaign contribution means to him.
Will he go against the tides? He could, but Clinton supporters argued the same thing about her. But I don't see any evidence in either Clinton or Trump's record that suggests that they seriously aren't affected by the money.
Trump cannot be expected to personally finance a billion dollar campaign. It's a non-issue to me. As for the "do as he's told": Trump is far too narcissistic and if he wins the presidency his ego will get even more inflated. He won't take orders from anyone. John McCain has always and will always be a scumbag and a sellout. Knowing how the game is played does not preclude him from wanting to change how the game is played. Business in New York is nearly impossible without making sure the bread gets buttered. He'd never have made it otherwise.
Could Trump go against the tide? That's all he's done this campaign. Could Hillary go against the tide? Not just no but Hell no. She's practically never resisted the tide. Her moral compass is a weathervane.
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