Do I smell racist rhetoric?
From the article said:While no government agencies specifically track crimes by illegal aliens...blahblahblah...he contacted all 50 statehouses. Three months later, he had fewer than a dozen responses. Only one state, Vermont, provided any useful information. blahblahblah...If he's right....
Try again:
Since this is not a fact but an opinion based on an EXTREMELY poor statistical data, I find it easy to dismiss not only the title of this thread but its contents as well.
_______Here is the way I see it, We have enough crime in America. We do not need to Import more criminals ~ Sgt Rock
The acrticle below Is a study that was done on murder and crime commited by illegal "criminal" immagrants. Criminal Aliens represent a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens when compared to American citizens. ~ Sgt Rock
Family Security Matters
Are you insinuating that I'm on the left or just facts?The left in freakin denial again.
Feel free to ask though.I did not ask for your approval.
I see you have problems with opinion incontinence. I'd suggest a diaper for all of the **** that you're splaying on this thread.I see you have a problem with facts as well.
You oughta suggest that to the writer of your link who got a lazy man's idea of what statistics could find.I suggest you do some research.
Yet still you respond making your position moot. Funny that.I have no use for your opinion.
Pfft.You are dismissed!
I'm glad you signed your sig or else we wouldn't know who could post such things.~ Sgt Rock :rock
Do you have a problem with facts. What I posted is a fact. Has nothing to do with racism.
I'm inclined to agree with Sgt Rock on this one. Illegal immigration is a problem. does anyone disagree? and it's a problem right here in the US. it's a threat, here at home.
have more Americans been murdered by illegal immigrants than killed in Iraq? I'm not convinced. but the FBI stats are alarming enough.
it's not racist to get tough on illegal immigration. anyone that wants to immigrate has the option to do it legally. I don't think it's just a coincidence that those that immigrate illegally are also the ones that tend to turn up in statistics like SR pasted. we've got a leaky border and it's a problem.
Variations: Some versions attribute the statistics presented to a "retired San Diego police officer."
Origins: The various figures quoted above were not taken from a 2002 Los Angeles Times article. They appear to have been gleaned from a variety of sources and vary in accuracy as noted below:
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d'oh! egg on my face!shuamort said:Got any more chain emails you wanna use as "facts"?
On the stats: (Urban Legends Reference Pages: Where Your Taxes Go)
It's not that we don't have a problem, we well might have an enormous problem. The point is that racist rhetoric is backed by statistics that have no source, have little or no documentation. Under each sentence of this rhetoric lies the implied statements "Mexicans are violent" or "Mexicans are thieves." This is unacceptable political maneuvering. So few people have enough courage take on the problem honestly. There may be a problem but sensationalized racisms isn't going to fix it. Honest discussion and action can.
I think a wholesale clamp down on the border accompanied by amnesty for all illegals in the US, and much easier immigration laws. Shouldn't be so hard to immigrate. If your not a criminal, then you're in. Also, welfare needs to be fixed to a certain amount of time for each situation. The problem isn't that immigrants take advantage of welfare, but that people take advantage of welfare, and immigrants are some of those people.
I think you may be missing the point, here, which is not to jump to conclusions and make racial statements like "all Mexicans are bad." However, if the statistics in the article in question are true, I'm just speculating here, then it seems like it would be a good idea to defend our borders more carefully and enforce deportation, if so many criminals have been entering the U.S. illegally from Mexico. Considering the fact that a lot of illegal emigrants are fugitives from their own countries, and that if they were not on the run from their government, then they may take the time to follow our process of naturalization. This is not always the case, however, as families from Mexico sneak into the U.S. to escape poverty. For this kind of situation, it would probably seem a better idea to become less strict on immigrants, for the best interest of the families such as these. The problem here, however, is that the U.S. may not be able to distinguish the impoverished families from the runaway fugitives from the impoverished workers who come here to the U.S. and then, victimized by continuous racism and prejudice, may be driven to commit crimes. Notice how SgtRock only gives us vague statistics that may in fact prove that a lot of the crime in some U.S. cities may be due to trouble caused by illegal aliens, but the statistics say nothing as to how many of the immigrants who come into the U.S. are actually criminals, versus how many of them are just normal people trying to lead normal lives, and if anything, pose only some small detriment to the economy.
In any case, some action needs to be taken to combat the crime which enters into our country evidently from the country of Mexico. Since illegal immigration has been happening whether we like it or not, I think it would be best if the U.S. provided an easier way for families of Mexican citizens to immigrate into the U.S. and turn them into model citizens. This would, of course, require a bit more money put into the education system, but this is something the U.S. has been in desperate need of since Reagan cut education in his term.
In addition, the U.S. needs to become much stricter on the illegal aliens, investigate the activities of the ones already in the U.S., and possibly naturalize the ones who are here but not causing any trouble in the same way that we provide naturalization for the fresh immigrants.
Finally, it may be in the best interests of the U.S. to research further into the individual causes of criminal activity coming as a direct result of Mexican immigration. I suspect that perhaps it is racism and discrimination that drives immigrants to become criminals, but again I am only speculating.
There ya go, some idealist solutions and useless speculation!
These types of people gather together unrelated stats, and construct rhetoric to convince people that immigrants are bad. Through this they hope to get immigrants to go away, or to get the government to make them go away.
These types of people? A Phd from the Violent Crimes Institute. For cryin out loud, do you think the violent crimes institute is a racist organization?
I live in Dallas Texas, I Lost my buisness because I refused to hire Illegals. I could not compete.
Dallas has the highest crime rate in the nation 5 years in a row. At that same time our illegal population has exploded. Dallas county jail is full of illegals.
Parkland Hospital is going bankrupt.
Our schools are fireing good teachers because they do not speak spanish, The state is bringing in teachers from south of the border.
The stats are dubious, and partially biased. That being said, there is a problem, a big problem.
These types of people gather together unrelated stats, and construct rhetoric to convince people that immigrants are bad. Through this they hope to get immigrants to go away, or to get the government to make them go away.
The only plan they'll accept is "screw the Mexicans."
Mexican and other "Latin American" Governments, the US Government, American Voters, American Businesses and also the people who come here illegally and organize as folks who refuse to be a part of the English Speaking American Culture.And who's fault is that?
Also, you won't find too many people on this forum I imagine, or on groups against Illegal Immigration who are against Immigration and Immigrants in general. Just saying this incase...
How about a little linky?
Maybe I could just link it to the Snopes article about these "Facts" as you like to call em. Since it wasn't the FBI as you claimed.
Got any more chain emails you wanna use as "facts"?
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