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Fact: More Americans murdered by illegal immagrants than Killed in Iraq

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Here is the way I see it, We have enough crime in America. We do not need to Import more criminals ~ Sgt Rock

The acrticle below Is a study that was done on murder and crime commited by illegal "criminal" immagrants. Criminal Aliens represent a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens when compared to American citizens. ~ Sgt Rock

Family Security Matters
 
Do I smell racist rhetoric?
 
Hmmmmm, Mexicans are violent... What's the definition of racism?
 
Try again:

From the article said:
While no government agencies specifically track crimes by illegal aliens...blahblahblah...he contacted all 50 statehouses. Three months later, he had fewer than a dozen responses. Only one state, Vermont, provided any useful information. blahblahblah...If he's right....


Since this is not a fact but an opinion based on an EXTREMELY poor statistical data, I find it easy to dismiss not only the title of this thread but its contents as well.
 
Try again:




Since this is not a fact but an opinion based on an EXTREMELY poor statistical data, I find it easy to dismiss not only the title of this thread but its contents as well.

The left in freakin denial again. I did not ask for your approval. I see you have a problem with facts as well. I suggest you do some research. I have no use for your opinion. You are dismissed! ~ Sgt Rock :rock
 
Here is the way I see it, We have enough crime in America. We do not need to Import more criminals ~ Sgt Rock

The acrticle below Is a study that was done on murder and crime commited by illegal "criminal" immagrants. Criminal Aliens represent a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens when compared to American citizens. ~ Sgt Rock

Family Security Matters
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So, do you think that we should take our troops out of Iraq and put them on our borders? If so, I agree.
 
The left in freakin denial again.
Are you insinuating that I'm on the left or just facts?

I did not ask for your approval.
Feel free to ask though.

I see you have a problem with facts as well.
I see you have problems with opinion incontinence. I'd suggest a diaper for all of the **** that you're splaying on this thread.

I suggest you do some research.
You oughta suggest that to the writer of your link who got a lazy man's idea of what statistics could find.

I have no use for your opinion.
Yet still you respond making your position moot. Funny that.

You are dismissed!
Pfft.
~ Sgt Rock :rock
I'm glad you signed your sig or else we wouldn't know who could post such things.
 
FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens

INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers


These Stats came from the FBI ~ Sgt Rock
 
I'm inclined to agree with Sgt Rock on this one. Illegal immigration is a problem. does anyone disagree? and it's a problem right here in the US. it's a threat, here at home.

have more Americans been murdered by illegal immigrants than killed in Iraq? I'm not convinced. but the FBI stats are alarming enough.

it's not racist to get tough on illegal immigration. anyone that wants to immigrate has the option to do it legally. I don't think it's just a coincidence that those that immigrate illegally are also the ones that tend to turn up in statistics like SR pasted. we've got a leaky border and it's a problem.
 
How about a little linky?

Maybe I could just link it to the Snopes article about these "Facts" as you like to call em. Since it wasn't the FBI as you claimed.

Got any more chain emails you wanna use as "facts"?
 
I'm inclined to agree with Sgt Rock on this one. Illegal immigration is a problem. does anyone disagree? and it's a problem right here in the US. it's a threat, here at home.

have more Americans been murdered by illegal immigrants than killed in Iraq? I'm not convinced. but the FBI stats are alarming enough.

it's not racist to get tough on illegal immigration. anyone that wants to immigrate has the option to do it legally. I don't think it's just a coincidence that those that immigrate illegally are also the ones that tend to turn up in statistics like SR pasted. we've got a leaky border and it's a problem.

I agree that it is a problem. One has to be careful though, as a large number of actual racist organizations are behind many of these "statistical articles".
 
On the stats: (Urban Legends Reference Pages: Where Your Taxes Go)
Variations: Some versions attribute the statistics presented to a "retired San Diego police officer."

Origins: The various figures quoted above were not taken from a 2002 Los Angeles Times article. They appear to have been gleaned from a variety of sources and vary in accuracy as noted below:
[see site for details]

It's not that we don't have a problem, we well might have an enormous problem. The point is that racist rhetoric is backed by statistics that have no source, have little or no documentation. Under each sentence of this rhetoric lies the implied statements "Mexicans are violent" or "Mexicans are thieves." This is unacceptable political maneuvering. So few people have enough courage take on the problem honestly. There may be a problem but sensationalized racisms isn't going to fix it. Honest discussion and action can.

I think a wholesale clamp down on the border accompanied by amnesty for all illegals in the US, and much easier immigration laws. Shouldn't be so hard to immigrate. If your not a criminal, then you're in. Also, welfare needs to be fixed to a certain amount of time for each situation. The problem isn't that immigrants take advantage of welfare, but that people take advantage of welfare, and immigrants are some of those people.
 
shuamort said:
Got any more chain emails you wanna use as "facts"?
d'oh! egg on my face!

I don't think I'm a racist ... I'm actually quite tolerant in many respects. but man, somehow the illegal alien (white, brown, black, whatever) thing just irks me somehow.
 
My wife is citizen of the USA. She immigrated to the States legally back in 1980. Her brother is attempting to do the same now. We are sponsoring him. In her opinion the people that are jumping ahead of the line are criminals that have no respect for our laws. There first act when comeing to this country is to break our law(entering the country ILLEGALLY). It is not fare to those that jump through all the hoops and do it the right way. ~ Sgt Rock
 
More stats. These are from the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta, Georgia
by Dr Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D.

The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States.

Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Violent Crimes Institute
 
On the stats: (Urban Legends Reference Pages: Where Your Taxes Go)


It's not that we don't have a problem, we well might have an enormous problem. The point is that racist rhetoric is backed by statistics that have no source, have little or no documentation. Under each sentence of this rhetoric lies the implied statements "Mexicans are violent" or "Mexicans are thieves." This is unacceptable political maneuvering. So few people have enough courage take on the problem honestly. There may be a problem but sensationalized racisms isn't going to fix it. Honest discussion and action can.

I think a wholesale clamp down on the border accompanied by amnesty for all illegals in the US, and much easier immigration laws. Shouldn't be so hard to immigrate. If your not a criminal, then you're in. Also, welfare needs to be fixed to a certain amount of time for each situation. The problem isn't that immigrants take advantage of welfare, but that people take advantage of welfare, and immigrants are some of those people.

I think you may be missing the point, here, which is not to jump to conclusions and make racial statements like "all Mexicans are bad." However, if the statistics in the article in question are true, I'm just speculating here, then it seems like it would be a good idea to defend our borders more carefully and enforce deportation, if so many criminals have been entering the U.S. illegally from Mexico. Considering the fact that a lot of illegal emigrants are fugitives from their own countries, and that if they were not on the run from their government, then they may take the time to follow our process of naturalization. This is not always the case, however, as families from Mexico sneak into the U.S. to escape poverty. For this kind of situation, it would probably seem a better idea to become less strict on immigrants, for the best interest of the families such as these. The problem here, however, is that the U.S. may not be able to distinguish the impoverished families from the runaway fugitives from the impoverished workers who come here to the U.S. and then, victimized by continuous racism and prejudice, may be driven to commit crimes. Notice how SgtRock only gives us vague statistics that may in fact prove that a lot of the crime in some U.S. cities may be due to trouble caused by illegal aliens, but the statistics say nothing as to how many of the immigrants who come into the U.S. are actually criminals, versus how many of them are just normal people trying to lead normal lives, and if anything, pose only some small detriment to the economy.
In any case, some action needs to be taken to combat the crime which enters into our country evidently from the country of Mexico. Since illegal immigration has been happening whether we like it or not, I think it would be best if the U.S. provided an easier way for families of Mexican citizens to immigrate into the U.S. and turn them into model citizens. This would, of course, require a bit more money put into the education system, but this is something the U.S. has been in desperate need of since Reagan cut education in his term.
In addition, the U.S. needs to become much stricter on the illegal aliens, investigate the activities of the ones already in the U.S., and possibly naturalize the ones who are here but not causing any trouble in the same way that we provide naturalization for the fresh immigrants.
Finally, it may be in the best interests of the U.S. to research further into the individual causes of criminal activity coming as a direct result of Mexican immigration. I suspect that perhaps it is racism and discrimination that drives immigrants to become criminals, but again I am only speculating.
There ya go, some idealist solutions and useless speculation!
 
I think you may be missing the point, here, which is not to jump to conclusions and make racial statements like "all Mexicans are bad." However, if the statistics in the article in question are true, I'm just speculating here, then it seems like it would be a good idea to defend our borders more carefully and enforce deportation, if so many criminals have been entering the U.S. illegally from Mexico. Considering the fact that a lot of illegal emigrants are fugitives from their own countries, and that if they were not on the run from their government, then they may take the time to follow our process of naturalization. This is not always the case, however, as families from Mexico sneak into the U.S. to escape poverty. For this kind of situation, it would probably seem a better idea to become less strict on immigrants, for the best interest of the families such as these. The problem here, however, is that the U.S. may not be able to distinguish the impoverished families from the runaway fugitives from the impoverished workers who come here to the U.S. and then, victimized by continuous racism and prejudice, may be driven to commit crimes. Notice how SgtRock only gives us vague statistics that may in fact prove that a lot of the crime in some U.S. cities may be due to trouble caused by illegal aliens, but the statistics say nothing as to how many of the immigrants who come into the U.S. are actually criminals, versus how many of them are just normal people trying to lead normal lives, and if anything, pose only some small detriment to the economy.
In any case, some action needs to be taken to combat the crime which enters into our country evidently from the country of Mexico. Since illegal immigration has been happening whether we like it or not, I think it would be best if the U.S. provided an easier way for families of Mexican citizens to immigrate into the U.S. and turn them into model citizens. This would, of course, require a bit more money put into the education system, but this is something the U.S. has been in desperate need of since Reagan cut education in his term.
In addition, the U.S. needs to become much stricter on the illegal aliens, investigate the activities of the ones already in the U.S., and possibly naturalize the ones who are here but not causing any trouble in the same way that we provide naturalization for the fresh immigrants.
Finally, it may be in the best interests of the U.S. to research further into the individual causes of criminal activity coming as a direct result of Mexican immigration. I suspect that perhaps it is racism and discrimination that drives immigrants to become criminals, but again I am only speculating.
There ya go, some idealist solutions and useless speculation!

The stats are dubious, and partially biased. That being said, there is a problem, a big problem.

Some people are mad because immigrants take jobs. If you can't be competitive in the job market because you don't work as hard as an immigrant, how am I suppose to feel bad for you?

Some people think that our culture is being overrun, when in fact all that is happening is that the culture is becoming less of a majority. Your culture (and in fact mine) is not changed, it's just that we have to live with other cultures. Scary? Cry about it.

These types of people gather together unrelated stats, and construct rhetoric to convince people that immigrants are bad. Through this they hope to get immigrants to go away, or to get the government to make them go away.

But there are some people who know that there's a problem and want to fix it. Every time they try, the group of people described above won't accept it because it's to easy on the immigrants. The only plan they'll accept is "screw the Mexicans." Sorry if I'm jaded, but there's too many idiots for this generation to fix this. We can try again years from now, but for now we're stuck.
 
The demographics of crime is such that all races and stations in life commit crime to an equal extent... the type of crime differs because of social access.

Crimes that take minimal resources to plan and execute ( murder, assault, simple robbery) are usually commited by the poor. The demographics of the poor in this country is comprised mostley of blacks, hispanics etc.

Now in Ireland I'm sure the demographics of violent crime are comprised of the white poor Irish. Asian gangs run amok in the streets of Thailand etc.

White collar crime in this country, like internet fraud are probably comprised of more educated, white males who have the resources and training to access computers. ( the boys in the hood aren't sitting in a room full of computer hardware gadgets). Interesting that serial killers are mostly white educated males probably probably because they utilize more resources and planning to stalk and prey on serial victims. It would be just as erroneous to say only white, american citizens commit such far reaching social crimes as Ken Lay when we can find his equivalent in other countries where the hispanic or black upperclassmen have obtained such prominant business or political position.
 
These types of people gather together unrelated stats, and construct rhetoric to convince people that immigrants are bad. Through this they hope to get immigrants to go away, or to get the government to make them go away.

These types of people? A Phd from the Violent Crimes Institute. For cryin out loud, do you think the violent crimes institute is a racist organization?

I live in Dallas Texas, I Lost my buisness because I refused to hire Illegals. I could not compete.

Dallas has the highest crime rate in the nation 5 years in a row. At that same time our illegal population has exploded. Dallas county jail is full of illegals.

Parkland Hospital is going bankrupt.

Our schools are fireing good teachers because they do not speak spanish, The state is bringing in teachers from south of the border.
 
These types of people? A Phd from the Violent Crimes Institute. For cryin out loud, do you think the violent crimes institute is a racist organization?

I live in Dallas Texas, I Lost my buisness because I refused to hire Illegals. I could not compete.

Dallas has the highest crime rate in the nation 5 years in a row. At that same time our illegal population has exploded. Dallas county jail is full of illegals.

Parkland Hospital is going bankrupt.

Our schools are fireing good teachers because they do not speak spanish, The state is bringing in teachers from south of the border.

And who's fault is that?
 
The stats are dubious, and partially biased. That being said, there is a problem, a big problem.

How are they dubious and bias?

These types of people gather together unrelated stats, and construct rhetoric to convince people that immigrants are bad. Through this they hope to get immigrants to go away, or to get the government to make them go away.

Nevermind, this sort of answers my question, but I'd still like to hear from you, how the stats are "dubious".

Also, you won't find too many people on this forum I imagine, or on groups against Illegal Immigration who are against Immigration and Immigrants in general. Just saying this incase...

The only plan they'll accept is "screw the Mexicans."

Other than Mexico as the Geographical Land Mark of Illegal Immigration into the US, being a bordering Country, nobody is really talking about anything Mexican here, but you have several times, made this an issue of Racial Tension and the Mexican people.

And who's fault is that?
Mexican and other "Latin American" Governments, the US Government, American Voters, American Businesses and also the people who come here illegally and organize as folks who refuse to be a part of the English Speaking American Culture.

Despite what Self-loathing Americans and "People from everywhere else in the world" think, America is a unique culture and our tradition and identity is just as valid as anyone elses.

I'd like to validate Sgt's testimony based on being a resident in an Illegal Alien populated area by also saying that where I am from, the cost of living has increased, the closing of hospitals has increased and rule obeying businesses staying in business decreases.

If the Illegal Aliens and those who Encourage, Harbor, Profit and Exploit from Illegal Immigration aren't strong contributings factor of all of this, I couldn't even begin to guess what else is.

I'd also like to validate Demosthenes's "People of this Generation are too stupid to fix the problem", by saying that the way we choose our politicians in the primaries, general elections and what we consume of, only makes the problem bigger and illegitimately financed.
 
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Also, you won't find too many people on this forum I imagine, or on groups against Illegal Immigration who are against Immigration and Immigrants in general. Just saying this incase...

You are right on about this, most people are not against immigration. Its the illegals that most have a problem with. My grand parents were Immigrants from Ireland, Poland, and Germany. They came here legally. And as I said before my wife is an Immigrant.

The people who come here Illegaly have no respect for our law. Thats why I call them criminal aliens. ~ Sgt Rock
 
How about a little linky?

Maybe I could just link it to the Snopes article about these "Facts" as you like to call em. Since it wasn't the FBI as you claimed.

Got any more chain emails you wanna use as "facts"?

Good job discrediting the OP.

So why is this thread still ongoing, I wonder?

Have we more racist bile we still need to vent, even though our "reason" for venting it turned out to be a debunked urban legend from one of those chain email thingamajiggers?

:roll:
 
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