Explain TDS

[Nickyjo]

You begin with a false statement.

Ok, here is how it works. I might say, for example, that Trump did not accept the 2020 election results. The response is TDS. How does that make my comment that Trump supporters cannot accept his faults a false statement.

You go back to the FDR administration?

No, I just was listing a mistake in a president whom I otherwise admire.

There are many false things promoted as undeniable and part of the record.

Perhaps, but I see no reason to lie or exaggerate about Trump. Those who might do so are fools. No need.

For example, the impeachments are groundless; there was no 6 January insurrection; Trump did not attempt to steal the 2020 election; the civil and criminal prosecutions were malicious and likely have no chance of standing on appeal, etc.

Look up the definition of insurrection. And, check your history: Trump didn’t attempt to steal the 2020 election, as usual as with the 2016 popular vote and in several other instances, he denied the results of an election that displeased him.

If you espouse any of the above, or any of several other narratives--eg Trump is fascist or a King--you are showing TDS.

Claiming you are not is denial.


You are treating narrative and opinion as fact.

That fallacy is going to trip you repeatedly.

Trump isn’t a king, nor dos he know what fascism is. But he is a dictator wannabe who uses unmistakable fascist-like rhetoric: stated support of torture and war crimes, disregard for court decisions, ignoring a subpoena, Make America Hate Again attacks on Muslims and others, and on and on. Upon taking office, he eliminates bringing to our country any of the many refugees already approved for resettlement in the US, but does bring several White South Africans here. (He couldn’t find a Black South African who was persecuted?)

 

[Lursa]

lawfare / impeachment /impeachment again / politicians running on "get Trump' and the out of control leftists screaming Hitler and fascist

So your post proves his OP. You believe all those things are "wrongs" forced on TACO when in reality, all were based on strong evidence.

You have no trouble ignoring all the evidence...it cant be "real", because in your mind, he cant be guilty.

And thus we now have "The Revenge Tour." It was clear even during the campaign, his rage and need for vengeance. That's what you look for in a leader, eh?

The subjects do not question the king.

 

[Nickyjo]

TDS is easy to remember. Don't need to research a topic or compose a thoughtful reply. Just accuse anyone critical of Trump as suffering TDS.

It's lame, it's childish, and it actually makes the person using the term look like a petulant child rather than the target.

Listen folks, we ALL know why there are those who throw TDS out there as a lame excuse to defend their fearless leader. I don't even have to post anything but will just the same:

Zero tolerance for criticism or questions

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If that lot of mindless minions had any idea of what TDS actually stood for, they wouldn't use it:

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I feel sorry for that lot. To be THAT simple minded.

That helps me understand. But I still think that a Trump supporter would be better advised to accept his flaws as similar to some other politicians’ and talk about all the good they see him doing.

 

[OlNate]

I suppose that could explain it for 1-2 folks, but this seems to be more than that, but still don’t unless I focus on Trump’s comment about shooting someone on Fifth Ave and not losing some support — which was basically an insult to those supporters.

Honestly, no, that's as deep as it is. Think about every time you've heard it used. Has it ever been anything more than a response to allegations and / or better arguments?

Nah, it's a paper shield for the true believers, and a means for smart people to assess their "competition". It's no different from "woke", "Marxist", "sheep", or "radical". It's a big neon sign that really only says "I'm dumb but I want to be an edge lord anyway".

 

[phoenix2020]

lawfare / impeachment /impeachment again / politicians running on "get Trump' and the out of control leftists screaming Hitler and fascist

You should get that TDS checked out.

 

[phoenix2020]

So your post proves his OP. You believe all those things are "wrongs" forced on TACO when in reality, all were based on strong evidence.

You have no trouble ignoring all the evidence...it cant be "real", because in your mind, he cant be guilty.

And thus we now have "The Revenge Tour." It was clear even during the campaign, his rage and need for vengeance. That's what you look for in a leader, eh?

The subjects do not question the king.

Go easy on @anatta, he’s working though a tough case of TDS.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Can someone pro or anti Trump explain to me why Trump supporters cannot admit his faults? I have been a democrat for decades, and I can acknowledge that democrats like JFK and Clinton were unfaithful, that LBJ made a horrific mistake in his Vietnam policy, that FDR detained citizens of Japanese descent, and still remain a democrat. But on this forum, when I note things that are undeniable, that are part of the public record, the responses I get very often are not rebuttals of facts, but TDS, TDS, over and over again. What is it with some Trump supporters that has them with their own TDS, i.e., Trump Denial Syndrome? What gives?

My guess is that Trump is soooooo defective that they fear exposure will be the end.

The man is an idiot in the scientific sense of the word. At best he has a grade six reading comprehension level...IF he can read at all!

When you have no real defense of the message, the fall back is to attack the messenger

Anyone who would disagree with Trump HAS TO BE "deranged".

However I read it in reverse. Trump derangement is a condition the idiot Trump suffers from

 

[Fearandloathing]

That helps me understand. But I still think that a Trump supporter would be better advised to accept his flaws as similar to some other politicians’ and talk about all the good they see him doing.

Uh..............


That would leave them with NOTHING to say

Everything he touches turns to shit

 

[phoenix2020]

That helps me understand. But I still think that a Trump supporter would be better advised to accept his flaws as similar to some other politicians’ and talk about all the good they see him doing.

Another poster called it in this thread, you’re thinking of Trump as a politician. He’s not, at least not to his followers. Think of him as the head of an organized religion, with him having taken the place of Jesus and his Truth Social account replacing the Bible. Now, how often do Christians pontificate about the various flaws of Jesus Christ?

It’s the same thing with Donald.

This is why posters like @anatta are fundamentally incapable of criticizing Trump. He is the diety that their entire religious faith is built around.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Can someone pro or anti Trump explain to me why Trump supporters cannot admit his faults?

We have a difference in opinion when it comes to alleged faults. I did not care for how Trump treated his republican primary opponents in 2016, especially Ted Cruz and I disagree with his most recent suggestion that Israel and Iran come to an agreement before Israel finishes the job in Iran, however otherwise, Trump is just what the doctor ordered. He has faults; however I vote based on stances and follow up.

I have been a democrat for decades, and I can acknowledge that democrats like JFK and Clinton were unfaithful,

Yet as I recall during the Clinton administration, I could find nobody on the left condemning Slick Willy for any of the multiple extramarital affairs he engaged in, including the one that led to his impeachment over perjury and obstruction of justice.

that LBJ made a horrific mistake in his Vietnam policy, that FDR detained citizens of Japanese descent, and still remain a democrat.

LBJ was pure evil. FDR did make a mistake that would not likely occur today, however at the time there was a very serious fear and threat of Japanese spies in the lead up to WW2. He did over-react. I personally knew one Japanese American who was interned.

But on this forum, when I note things that are undeniable, that are part of the public record, the responses I get very often are not rebuttals of facts, but TDS, TDS, over and over again. What is it with some Trump supporters that has them with their own TDS, i.e., Trump Denial Syndrome? What gives?

Any truly objective person considers all of the "Trump is Hitler", "Maga is fascist", etc, nonsense as very much over the top. The "Trump Dispersion Syndrome" description is apt for the individuals who show that much hatred. As long as that type of over the top rhetoric is used by the left, the term "TDS" will continue.

 

[Kelby]

TDS is what Trumpco customers tell themselves about other people​

so the Trumpco customers can avoid acknowledging something unpleasant about Trump or Trumpco​

Thought terminating clichés are a WELL KNOWN and popular technique among cults.

A thought-terminating cliché is a form of loaded language intended to quell cognitive dissonance​

Thought-terminating cliché - Wikipedia

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A thought-terminating cliché (also known as a semantic stop-sign, a thought-stopper, bumper sticker logic, or cliché thinking) is a form of loaded language—often passing as folk wisdom—intended to end an argument and quell cognitive dissonance with a cliché rather than a point.

Nails it.

 

[Nickyjo]

We have a difference in opinion when it comes to alleged faults. I did not care for how Trump treated his republican primary opponents in 2016, especially Ted Cruz and I disagree with his most recent suggestion that Israel and Iran come to an agreement before Israel finishes the job in Iran, however otherwise, Trump is just what the doctor ordered. He has faults; however I vote based on stances and follow up.

Good to know you acknowledge that he has faults.

Yet as I recall during the Clinton administration, I could find nobody on the left condemning Slick Willy for any of the multiple extramarital affairs he engaged in, including the one that led to his impeachment over perjury and obstruction of justice.

LBJ was pure evil. FDR did make a mistake that would not likely occur today, however at the time there was a very serious fear and threat of Japanese spies in the lead up to WW2. He did over-react. I personally knew one Japanese American who was interned.

LBJ was hardly pure evil. He gave us Medicare/Medicaid and used his skills to get civil rights legislation passed. A paralyzed friend benefits from Medicaid and Medicare has saved me from bankruptcy due to an incurable (but treatable) disease.

Any truly objective person considers all of the "Trump is Hitler", "Maga is fascist", etc, nonsense as very much over the top. The "Trump Dispersion Syndrome" description is apt for the individuals who show that much hatred. As long as that type of over the top rhetoric is used by the left, the term "TDS" will continue.

I repeat again that anyone who exaggerates about Trump is a fool. All one has to do is quote him or make reference to his record of bigoted statements, crooked deals, birtherism, and far more lies and insults than any other politician. To do more is malpractice in political discussion, here or elsewhere.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Good to know you acknowledge that he has faults.

I have never not acknowledged that he has faults just like anyone else. I have mentioned more than a few times since the 2016 election that I was not a fan until well into the general campaign around the time of the debate with the hildabeast.

LBJ was hardly pure evil. He gave us Medicare/Medicaid and used his skills to get civil rights legislation passed. A paralyzed friend benefits from Medicaid and Medicare has saved me from bankruptcy due to an incurable (but treatable) disease.

Medicare and Medicaid were not solely a product of LBJ. Congress had a say in Medicare and Medicaid, at least then was primarily a state issue. And there is that LBJ started out as a segregationist and involved the US in the Vietnam War, solely because he wanted a war legacy along the lines of FDR and WW2, On the more repulsive side, he would have the press interview him at the white house while he was sitting on the toilet taking a shit with the door open.

I repeat again that anyone who exaggerates about Trump is a fool. All one has to do is quote him or make reference to his record of bigoted statements

What bigoted statements exactly? And yes, the Trump is Hitler or a Nazi is way over the top. And Biden was known for making racist statements, more in his past, however some of the statments he made about Obama were percieved at racist.

crooked deals, birtherism, and far more lies and insults than any other politician. To do more is malpractice in political discussion, here or elsewhere.

What crooked deal specifically? If you are talking about the University, that was addressed in civil court. How about Biden's crooked deals with Ukraine and China through his sone Hunter? As for birtherism, that started in the Hillary Clinton camp in 2008 and was directed at both Obama and McCain. Trump merely challenged Obama to come up with a certified copy of his actual birth certificate, not the modern certificate of live birth spit out by a computer. He put some wager money behind it and Obama produced it.

 

[Nickyjo]

I have never not acknowledged that he has faults just like anyone else. I have mentioned more than a few times since the 2016 election that I was not a fan until well into the general campaign around the time of the debate with the hildabeast.

Medicare and Medicaid were not solely a product of LBJ. Congress had a say in Medicare and Medicaid, at least then was primarily a state issue. And there is that

LBJ used his knowledge of Congress to get Medicare and Medicaid passed — by other democrats and a smaller number of republicans.

LBJ started out as a segregationist and involved the US in the Vietnam War, solely because he wanted a war legacy along the lines of FDR and WW2, On the more repulsive side, he would have the press interview him at the white house while he was sitting on the toilet taking a shit with the door open.

I doubt that LBJ accelerated the Vietnam war for the reasons you stated. He fell victim to the paranoid anti-historical anti-communism of the day and the idiotic “domino theory.”

And who cares if he started out as a segregationist? Both Goldwater and George Wallace changed their minds. He knew what he was doing with the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, even stating that he had probably lost the South to republicans for a generation.

What bigoted statements exactly?

He spread outrageously false information on Black on White homicide. He suggested banning all one billion Muslims from coming to the US, the equivalent of the UK banning Catholics cause of the IRA. He said he preferred Norwegian immigrants to those from “shit hole countries,” obviously unaware or not caring that immigrants from poor countries often represent their best, most skilled and ambitious.

And yes, the Trump is Hitler or a Nazi is way over the top. And Biden was known for making racist statements, more in his past, however some of the statments he made about Obama were percieved at racist.

What crooked deal specifically? If you are talking about the University, that was addressed in civil court.

Trump paid $25 million because his university was crooked. His foundation was shut down because of self dealing, and he admitted to misuse of funds. $2 million was taken to pay various charities, and I believe he (perhaps his sons) was forbidden from foundation work for some years. And in a hilarious but small matter, Trump bought regular steaks an re-wrapped them as Trump Steaks.

How about Biden's crooked deals with Ukraine and China through his sone Hunter? As for birtherism, that started in the Hillary Clinton camp in 2008 and was directed at both Obama and McCain. Trump merely challenged Obama to come up with a certified copy of his actual birth certificate, not the modern certificate of live birth spit out by a computer. He put some wager money behind it and Obama produced it.

Why do you suppose Trump challenged Obama, our first Black president? Strange, he didn’t challenge Biden’s eligibility.

 

[MAGAnificent]

LBJ used his knowledge of Congress to get Medicare and Medicaid passed

What's your point. he did things as president out of political expedia that he would not have done in congress, for instance the Civil rights Act.

I doubt that LBJ accelerated the Vietnam war for the reasons you stated. He fell victim to the paranoid anti-historical anti-communism of the day and the idiotic “domino theory.”

He set up a phony op Gulf of Tonkin" just to get the US involved in the Vietnam War, a civil war we did not need to get involved in.

And who cares if he started out as a segregationist? Both Goldwater and George Wallace changed their minds. He knew what he was doing with the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, even stating that he had probably lost the South to republicans for a generation.

I did not follow Goldwater all that much. I was a teen when he was running for president. Wallace to his credit softened his stance as result of the great care he received from black nurses and nurses' aids after he was paralyzed from an assassination attempt.

He spread outrageously false information on Black on White homicide.

Specifics?

. He suggested banning all one billion Muslims from coming to the US,

False.

He said he preferred Norwegian immigrants to those from “shit hole countries,” obviously unaware or not caring that immigrants from poor countries often represent their best, most skilled and ambitious.

I would prefer vetted immigrants over refugees that cannot be vetted. In fact, Brexit passed in the UK largely because unelected bureaucrats in Brussels were pushing the UK to accept unvetted refugees from nations with fanatical Islamic terrorist issues.

Trump paid $25 million because his university was crooked.

Civil court. Solved.

Why do you suppose Trump challenged Obama, our first Black president?

Because until then, Obama had refused to provide a certified copy of his original birth certificate.

Strange, he didn’t challenge Biden’s eligibility.

But then Biden did not have background in Kenya and Indonesia.

 

[Nickyjo]

What's your point. he did things as president out of political expedia that he would not have done in congress, for instance the Civil rights Act.

He set up a phony op Gulf of Tonkin" just to get the US involved in the Vietnam War, a civil war we did not need to get involved in.

Doubt he set it up, but took advantage of it.

I did not follow Goldwater all that much. I was a teen when he was running for president. Wallace to his credit softened his stance as result of the great care he received from black nurses and nurses' aids after he was paralyzed from an assassination attempt.

Wallace actually apologized, to a Black church congregation, I believe.

Specifics?

He posted stats from an apparently non-existent SF foundation that said that 80% or so of homicides of Whites came at the hands of Blacks. It’s common knowledge that we kill within our own race. True stats are a small fraction of that. Why would Trump spread such false info?

False.

“Donald Trump is calling for a total shutdown of Muslims coming to the US.” — more or less an exact quote. How did you miss that?

I would prefer vetted immigrants over refugees that cannot be vetted. In fact, Brexit passed in the UK largely because unelected bureaucrats in Brussels were pushing the UK to accept unvetted refugees from nations with fanatical Islamic terrorist issues.

Refugees are vetted through a long process that can take up to a year. Check out the Department of State website for details. To be fair to you, are you speaking of asylum seekers, not refugees brought here from overseas?

Civil court. Solved.

Yes, he paid for his fraud.

Because until then, Obama had refused to provide a certified copy of his original birth certificate.

But then Biden did not have background in Kenya and Indonesia.

Did Trump provide the same? Obama had a birth certificate plus a small news item in a Hawaiian paper announcing his birth.(We do know that Trump is the first prez candidate not to reveal his taxes.)

 

[MAGAnificent]

Doubt he set it up, but took advantage of it.

Wallace actually apologized, to a Black church congregation, I believe.

He did. And there were actually more blacks then white attending his funeral.

He posted stats from an apparently non-existent SF foundation that said that 80% or so of homicides of Whites came at the hands of Blacks.

I don't know the stats of how many whites are killed by blacks, and I suspect that you do not either. However, the majority of homicides occur in the inner cities as a result of gang banging activity, usually involving gang territorial disputes or the drug trade.

“Donald Trump is calling for a total shutdown of Muslims coming to the US.”

False.

Refugees are vetted through a long process that can take up to a year.

ROFLMAO. It's impossible to vet most of them, especially in regard to how radicalized they may be.

Yes, he paid for his fraud.

Civil issue. Not intentional fraud. He did not deliver what was promised. He was taken to civil court and settled. Resolved.

Did Trump provide the same? Obama had a birth certificate plus a small news item in a Hawaiian paper announcing his birth.

Which part of Obama's Kenyan and Indonesian background did you not understand? and what Obama did at first produce was a computer-generated certificate of live birth. Not his original birth certificate.

(We do know that Trump is the first prez candidate not to reveal his taxes.)

Who cares? He has as much right to privacy regarding his tax documents as you and I do. He is not a lifetime politician like most of the swamp rats in DC. They had plenty of time to spruce up several years' worth of tax returns for publicity sake. I am actually more concerned with congress critters benefiting from insider trading info. Laws prevent you and I from doing so. Ever wonder why so many congress critters are elected to office as middle class and come out millionaires?

 

[markdc]

Can someone pro or anti Trump explain to me why Trump supporters cannot admit his faults? I have been a democrat for decades, and I can acknowledge that democrats like JFK and Clinton were unfaithful, that LBJ made a horrific mistake in his Vietnam policy, that FDR detained citizens of Japanese descent, and still remain a democrat. But on this forum, when I note things that are undeniable, that are part of the public record, the responses I get very often are not rebuttals of facts, but TDS, TDS, over and over again. What is it with some Trump supporters that has them with their own TDS, i.e., Trump Denial Syndrome? What gives?

AFAIC, there are two kings of TDS: Trump Derange Syndrome and Trump Dicksucking Syndrome.
Neither is good. One leads to insanity and the other leads to painful oral blisters.

Mark

 

[Jay59]

Ok, here is how it works. I might say, for example, that Trump did not accept the 2020 election results.

That is the reasonable way to state the issue.

The response is TDS.

Trump supporters will generally have no problem with this statement.

How does that make my comment that Trump supporters cannot accept his faults a false statement.

Up one line.

No, I just was listing a mistake in a president whom I otherwise admire.

You were inaccurately describing an expected response.

In OP you stated that the response was actual, not expected. This is called treating an opinion as fact.

Perhaps, but I see no reason to lie or exaggerate about Trump.

But yet, you do it habitually.

Those who might do so are fools. No need.

You do it habitually.

Look up the definition of insurrection. And, check your history: Trump didn’t attempt to steal the 2020 election, as usual as with the 2016 popular vote and in several other instances, he denied the results of an election that displeased him.

This is an excellent example of your habitual exaggeration.

Trump isn’t a king

No reasonable person claims that he is, or that he acts like one.

, nor dos he know what fascism is.

There is a lot of that.

But he is a dictator wannabe who uses unmistakable fascist-like rhetoric: stated support of torture and war crimes, disregard for court decisions, ignoring a subpoena, Make America Hate Again attacks on Muslims and others, and on and on. Upon taking office, he eliminates bringing to our country any of the many refugees already approved for resettlement in the US, but does bring several White South Africans here. (He couldn’t find a Black South African who was persecuted?)

Again with the exaggeration.

You cannot claim to have "no reason to lie or exaggerate about Trump" and make statements like this.

You asked about TDS. A statement like this is a textbook example.