there were no civilians killed on that ship.
You mean historical revenge?Oh, you mean like all of Turkey, which for thousands of years was Greek until it was systematically ethnically clensed after Ottoman occupation?
The Turks should never be one to play the ethnic clensing card, given the history of exactly that (and genocide). Fact is, the Turkish occupation of Cyprus completely disqualifies it from criticizing Israel. Only difference between Cyprus and the west bank, other than the fact that the Turkish attack was a completely unjustified act of aggression against a state that had demonstrated absolutely no hostility to Turkey while Israel was directly attacked from the west bank continuously for decades prior), was that Turkey completely clensed the territory it occupied, while Israel did not.
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Does it make difference? Is switzerland part of different planet different society?which is, of course, not an EU member.
this I understand. of course, it would have been the Turks "fault", however irrelevant that is, given Greek ties to that land going back thousands of years, but the Turks have not yet adopted that silly western pre-disposition to appologize for past sins at every opportunity.
Switzerland (assuming it is an EU member)
Israel is under threath, from Hamas terrorism, They feel they are surrounded. In these conditions they can carefully think about things. Thats why they are crazzy. They don't feel safe. They kill civilians in Gaza, with the contrubutions of Hamas. Behaviour of Israel seem hard to anticipate.
The last crazzy things she did was killing civilian in the ship. If they can atack their allies. Turkey will have difficulty in trusting Israel. Iran is not a country who has capacity to meet modern Turkish army in any field of warfare. They have no reasons to atack Turkey. They are more communicateable unlike Iran. Turkey wouln't like destruction of Iran. Yet she didn't want to be part of Iraq invassion. It is unpleasant decision in the long term relationships.
Many of the state in NATO would like Turkey to have good relationships with Iran, Iraq, Syria. They need Turkey in their relationships with these countries.
It is not only issue related to EU negotiation, It is also benefit of Turkey as well as benefit of South Cyprus to improve relationships. For the stability of the region. Thank God Cyprus wasn't like Crete where Turkish people totally cleansed, Cypriot Turks are safe in the Island.
Turkey doesn't have serious human rights problems,
I don't like to correct you but there is no death penalty in Turkey. It was in the long past.
It is not only issue of EU negotiations, providing cultural rights for any Turkish citizen is duty of the state. Yet developments are on its course, no matter EU has bussiness in it or not.
To accept it or not is ones freedom. Also there is no chapter in the negotiations related to Armenian Genocide. It is totally unrelated with negotiations between EU and Turkey.
It is Switzerland that bans minaret, ignoring opinion of local people of Islam religion.
We Turks and Greeks, have too painfull history. It is not intolerancy actually, it is trauma related to past. It is hard to understand from outside. This sorrows are not hard to share. I have many Greek friends. Feeling soory for the shamefull past is not difficult issue.
I wouldn't say they are crazy to defend themselves. It is also reasonable to expect that they don't feel safe with neighbors that have tried to force them into the sea from the very foundation as a modern nation. It doesn't make them crazy
That ship was violating a well-known blockade on a territory that has been engaging in war with Israel for a long time. The ship was warned at first and they chose to ignore the warning. What was crazy was the people on that ship who decided to resist the Israeli Defense Force...
But Turkey is still an impediment to the reunification of the island, an island that is a current EU member.
Really? Tell that to the Kurds.
Tell that to Amnesty International
Freedom House also disagrees...
Not long past, but it has been abolished as of just a few years ago... I stand corrected on that point.
I don't know what your last statement means, but if you mean it isn't the EUs business, it is if you want to become a member of the club.
Don't be surprised if it comes up in the negotiations at some point. There are more than two dozen member states and one or more is bound to bring it up before Turkey's accession.
Switzerland is not an EU member.
There is a lot of blame to go around on both sides, but you have to understand that the Greeks aren't exactly pleased about the multi-century occupation they sufferred at the hands of the Ottoman Turks...
I am not opposed to EU membership for Turkey, BTW, but Ankara must understand that if you want to be a member of the EU club it is up to the EU to make the rules and make the decision. Turkey has no right to dictate anything, and while I am personally interested in the outcome, as I am not a citizen of any EU state, it really isn't up to me -- it is up to the people of the EU member states.
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