EXCUSE ME, The D Party just got DECAPITATED and...

[Hawkeye10]

the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?

 

[joG]

the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?

BS tossed his hat in the ring, I understood. And he is quite a rabble rouser.

 

[Hawkeye10]

BS tossed his hat in the ring, I understood. And he is quite a rabble rouser.

Bernie Sanders is an over the hill lifetime loser who just lost big primary because he did not believe in himself and refused to play to win.

I dont think so.

 

[joG]

Bernie Sanders is an over the hill lifetime loser who just lost big primary because he did not believe in himself and refused to play to win.

I dont think so.

And you think the average Democrat will believe the evidence? :lamo

 

[Hawkeye10]

And you think the average Democrat will believe the evidence? :lamo

Well the average Democrat had neither a problem with the coronation plan nor the picking of the very flawed Hillary for the honor, so they seem none too bright to me.

They did not do so hot in the "Upstanding American" department either.

 

[Kal'Stang]

the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?

My suggestion is for both the R's and the D's.

Stop having the type of campaigns that are nothing but mud wrestling events that are a combination of a movies B rating, R rating, and XXX rating. I for one am EXTREMELY sick of these types of elections. Bash about an issue fine. But bashing just to mudsling is imo very unprofessional and childlike. And Extremely stupid. IE: Start acting like ADULTS.

This means no more name calling and no more fear mongering. Just the facts please.

And most importantly STOP FREAKING LYING!!!!

Unfortunately Hell will freeze over LONG before any of this happens.

 

[joG]

Well the average Democrat had neither a problem with the coronation plan nor the picking of the very flawed Hillary for the honor, so they seem none too bright to me.

They did not do so hot in the "Upstanding American" department either.

But, you will admit they are out on the streets in droves being loud, after the fact.

 

[Hawkeye10]

But, you will admit they are out on the streets in droves being loud, after the fact.

My wife, who has 60% disability combat ptsd, got messed up with the Seattle Snowflake Meltdown Extravaganza with me just a couple of blocks down in a bar,,,,,ya, I know of it.

 

[Port & Starboard]

I was really looking forward to Hillary's fireworks over the Hudson

I like fireworks.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I was really looking forward to Hillary's fireworks over the Hudson

I like fireworks.

Cheap theatrics she can do, understanding even the basics about the craft of politics not so much:

Clinton seemed oblivious to facts like these. As a historian who has studied the rise and decline of working-class families since World War II, I listened to Hillary Clinton's speeches over the last few months, looking in vain for any sign that she grasped the mounting frustration that so many working people have felt over the past few decades.

Why the white working class ditched Clinton - CNN.com

Hillary sucks

Hillary has always sucked

Far to few D's even in the upper ranks were smart enough to grasp this very obvious fact (I say obvious because I have been talking about it since 07).

 

[joG]

My suggestion is for both the R's and the D's.

Stop having the type of campaigns that are nothing but mud wrestling events that are a combination of a movies B rating, R rating, and XXX rating. I for one am EXTREMELY sick of these types of elections. Bash about an issue fine. But bashing just to mudsling is imo very unprofessional and childlike. And Extremely stupid. IE: Start acting like ADULTS.

This means no more name calling and no more fear mongering. Just the facts please.

And most importantly STOP FREAKING LYING!!!!

Unfortunately Hell will freeze over LONG before any of this happens.

That is up to the electorate. As long as it chooses people like Clinton, BS and Trump or Cruz as candidates, it is unreasonable to expect fact based debate.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

How's about both parties stop the corruption and under-the-table deals?
How's about both parties stop pandering to the extreme ends of their parties?

It's almost as if people become politicians not to govern, or help folks, but to see just how stinking wealthy they can make themselves, while seeing just how long they can stay in power.

 

[Hawkeye10]

In the wake of Hillary Clinton's stunning loss this week, progressives are moving quickly to fill the power vacuum left in the Democratic Party and eyeing a takeover of the Democratic National Committee, with Rep. Keith Ellison gaining momentum as the left's apparent candidate of choice to lead it.

The next chair of the DNC will play a key leadership role as the party builds itself back from defeat, and their election early next year will be a key test in the struggle for control of the party between the so-called establishment and a more populist wing that largely backed Bernie Sanders in the primary.

Less than 48 hours out from the election, an unusually rapid consolidation already seems to be occurring around Ellison, the co-chairman of the Progressive Caucus, who had been quietly discussing his interest in the chairmanship before the election.

Could The Left Stage a DNC Coup? '''There Has to Be a Complete Restructuring''' - NBC News

Not sure how I feel about this...

 

[Casper]

the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?

Cute that you are so worried about the health of the DNC, yeah right. My suggestion is you worry about the GOP, for one there are many within the Party that do not like or trust trump and will not just get in line with whatever is brain spits out and for two the GOP has to now perform, thy wanted the power and they got it, no more excuses, do your job or pay the price in 2 years and again in 4, The DNC will be watching and waiting for the GOP to screw up and they will point it out over and over, count on that. The limelight is going to be on the GOP and only the GOP, they have their chance to prove they have it right or from then on the people will know they are no better at solving the problems than the DNC. I think you may see more and more powerful third Parties begin to emerge, and that is a good thing.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Cute that you are so worried about the health of the DNC, yeah right. My suggestion is you worry about the GOP, for one there are many within the Party that do not like or trust trump and will not just get in line with whatever is brain spits out and for two the GOP has to now perform, thy wanted the power and they got it, no more excuses, do your job or pay the price in 2 years and again in 4, The DNC will be watching and waiting for the GOP to screw up and they will point it out over and over, count on that. The limelight is going to be on the GOP and only the GOP, they have their chance to prove they have it right or from then on the people will know they are no better at solving the problems than the DNC. I think you may see more and more powerful third Parties begin to emerge, and that is a good thing.

I am neither a D nor an R, and being reactionary to Trump is not a viable option. The D's need to try to lead someplace, that is the only way to get good followers.

 

[ARealConservative]

the democrats are assholes plain and simple.

any claims to wanting to unite the country went out the window when they tried to shove another Clinton on us.

oh, you want to unite the country you say? And a clinton is going to do that you say?

**** you liberals. every one of you! **** you.

 

[Winchester]

the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?

I expect both Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom to be the new torch bearers of the party.

 

[roughdraft274]

Cheap theatrics she can do, understanding even the basics about the craft of politics not so much:


Why the white working class ditched Clinton - CNN.com

Hillary sucks

Hillary has always sucked

Far to few D's even in the upper ranks were smart enough to grasp this very obvious fact (I say obvious because I have been talking about it since 07).

No argument here that Clinton isn't a great politician. But also, I think your way over exaggerating what actually happened. She is predicted to win the popular vote by up to 1% if what I read is true, and we will see. But If even just 1 out of every 100 voters had voted Clinton rather than Trump, or if she had gotten the same voter turnout that Obama whipped up in 2012, we'd be sitting here talking about how the Republicans can't win national elections any more with just the white vote, and this will be a moment where they need new direction etc etc. Essentially all of this "doom and gloom" talk we are having about the Dems we would be having about the Republicans. This election tells us many things, but I don't think that you can stack any of them on the top of the list and pretend it's the be all end all most important thing to understand.

1. Democrats need reevaluation just like any other party has needed over time. They need to listen to the opposing side a bit better, get off their high horse to an extent, talk alittle more about some hard truths on their side and not just the hard truths on the opposing side. They need to start motivating more local elections as the Republicans do. I think Republicans do better in local elections because older people are just more interested in them. You can get a bunch of college kids exited about a presidential election if you build it up right, but you can't get them excited on a local board election, or a local city council election etc. And when you start shifting all of the local politics towards republicans it means they are going to have a larger base of politicians to choose from and mobilize. They need to work long and hard on this and many other things. The party isn't destroyed. They will regroup and move on. Might be a very tough 4 years, they might not win in another 4, but they'll pick up the pieces and get it together.

2. Republicans have won the election but with the lowest popular vote in a long time. I think the huge swarm of new voters and groundswell of support is very much exaggerated. Trump didn't get as many votes as Romney or even as much as McCain got if I'm not mistaken. It could very well be that they only won because the Dems chose a poor candidate that had baggage out the wazzoo. Trump did have things that really excited his base, but quite frankly made him a pariah by the grown up republicans. The republicans can ignore it, but they do have a vocal minority of racists and lunatic conspiracy theorists in their tent. They might have a chance to really grow and fester should Trump and the republicans not handle the next 4 years responsibly. They actually have a chance here. I doubt they'll capture it though. Trump has named alot of popular sentiments like term limits and cracking down on lobbyists and government officials. We are going to have to see if this comes to pass. But if the next 4 years are just Republicans poking liberals in the face and letting Trump spout conspiracy theories and make out country look incredibly stupid, they are in trouble. I think the trump vote was mixed between "**** the establishment by any means necessary" and "anyone but Clinton". If this turns into 4 years of "**** the establishment" but no real guidance or leadership, then this will come back to bite them big time. If Trump continues skirting the line of authoritarian "**** the press, I'm changing the law so I can sue them" and "I like the good ole days where protestors were carried out on stretchers" and "Putins a strong leader, he's said nice things about me, wouldn't it be great if we got along" (Meanwhile Putin kills journalists that disagree with him) then it's going to be a long 4 years and republicans might be in worse shape than we ever thought. If Trump actually steps up right now it could be the beginning of a movement. My biggest problem is we have no idea his true motives. Whether you like him or not he's the biggest liar in politics right now. He'll deny saying something he just said and act like your crazy and even threaten to sue if you bring it up. That's a very large character flaw in someone that if he has any chance to make this work needs to be honest.

 

[Exquisitor]

the democrats are assholes plain and simple.

any claims to wanting to unite the country went out the window when they tried to shove another Clinton on us.

oh, you want to unite the country you say? And a clinton is going to do that you say?

**** you liberals. every one of you! **** you.

Why thank you! Thank you.

I did not want to unite the country, I wanted to pound those Republicans, but now I am Republicaness.

If you can't beat em, join em.

I did say I would change my tune after the election.

 

[Fishking]

the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?

I dunno...probably actually do what they talk about? I mean, I don't like their policies on many things but there is some kind of attraction to what their message used to be/should be. I thought they were for the little people, the laborers, the blue collar workers, ect. I thought they were supposed to be tolerant and the big-tent party.

What they seem to be are corporate, political, and social elitists. People who will be extremely hateful to those who don't think exactly like they do or that don't know the newest social buzz words of the day. They talk down about everyone who doesn't have a college degree as if they are stupid scum (you know, the laborers they were supposedly for?). They are war hawks and regime changers. They are neo-McCarthyists that rejects peaceful talks.

They are no where near what I thought their highest intentions where suppose to be.

And you know what?...The Republican party isn't really much what it says it's supposed to be, either. I dunno...****'s broken.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I dunno...probably actually do what they talk about? I mean, I don't like their policies on many things but there is some kind of attraction to what their message used to be/should be. I thought they were for the little people, the laborers, the blue collar workers, ect. I thought they were supposed to be tolerant and the big-tent party.

What they seem to be are corporate, political, and social elitists. People who will be extremely hateful to those who don't think exactly like they do or that don't know the newest social buzz words of the day. They talk down about everyone who doesn't have a college degree as if they are stupid scum (you know, the laborers they were supposedly for?). They are war hawks and regime changers. They are neo-McCarthyists that rejects peaceful talks.

They are no where near what I thought their highest intentions where suppose to be.

And you know what?...The Republican party isn't really much what it says it's supposed to be, either. I dunno...****'s broken.

The D's used to be about that. Clinton Corp opted the party out of that 20 years ago, cant remember the how it was sold.

 

[Fishking]

The D's used to be about that. Clinton Corp opted the party out of that 20 years ago, cant remember the how it was sold.

Yeah...that was always my impression and I think that's why they are sucking and honestly the Republicans too, lest anyone thinks Donald was anything at all what the GOP establishment wanted. Both party numbers are down.

 

[NonoBadDog]

I was really looking forward to Hillary's fireworks over the Hudson

I like fireworks.

smart ass :clap:

 

[rhinefire]

So Keith Ellison from Minnesota is being targeted to spearhead the DNC. I hope so because he was on Sunday talk shows and he comes off as someone that did not graduate from high school. Tragic how some people are elevated to positions of authority. His constant avoiding questions coupled with a lack of knowledge on the English language gives me hope he gets the job guaranteeing a long term of conservative rule in America.

 

[Praxas]

So Keith Ellison from Minnesota is being targeted to spearhead the DNC. I hope so because he was on Sunday talk shows and he comes off as someone that did not graduate from high school. Tragic how some people are elevated to positions of authority. His constant avoiding questions coupled with a lack of knowledge on the English language gives me hope he gets the job guaranteeing a long term of conservative rule in America.

Oh you mean he's like trump.