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Exclusive: US May Have Let 'Dozens' of Terrorists Into Country As Refugees

Unfortunately, you have displayed the inability to recognize the counterargument, so it is pointless to ask for "any" others.

Maybe your blindness would be helped if I use larger font.


The US Government may be enabling actual no-kidding terrorists to come and live here

...is hyperbole, since the imperfect screening of terrorists is not the same as the US govt authorizing terrorist to live in the US.
It is not hyperbole, since bringing someone to our shores and settling them, providing them benefits, etc are all acts, rather than omissions.
 
It is not hyperbole, since bringing someone to our shores and settling them, providing them benefits, etc are all acts, rather than omissions.
You are simply digging your hole deeper, "acts" are intentional, now you argue that the imperfect screening is enabling (authorizing)....and....intentional!

Nope, no hyperbole there at all.
 
You are simply digging your hole deeper, "acts" are intentional, now you argue that the imperfect screening is enabling (authorizing)....and....intentional!

Nope, no hyperbole there at all.
You think that enabling is authorizing?


Bro do you even English?
 
You think that enabling is authorizing?


Bro do you even English?
synonyms: allow, permit, let, give the means, equip, empower, make able, fit; make possible, facilitate; authorize, entitle, qualify; formal capacitate
"the brace will enable you to walk more steadily"


Wow...just....WOW!
 
Oh god, here comes the ridiculous hysteria...
6 Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After ParisÂ*|Â*David Bier
"May have." LOL.
If we get to cherrypick To make a point against refugees, I say we deport all pro lifers! These psychopaths are obviously ALL potential terrorists who will bomb abortion clinics! I'd also like to know how this relates to Syrian refugees, who aren't terrorists. Curious..
Sorry, David, you can't compare apples and oranges. Majority of pro-lifers don't believe or engage in violence against anyone. The ones that did were far and few between.

Even so, you can't deny that those who bombed abortion clinics did so because they had a genuine belief that the unborns in human wombs are human babies. This is scientific fact. Effectively, they believed they were defending the lives of the unborns just as in the slavery days when people fought to free slaves from slavery.

Islamic terrorists are entirely different. They specifically select soft target and kill as many innocent people as they could, men, women and children. These innocent people weren't going around killing innocent babies or about to do so. They were just going about their daily routine of life.
 
What you must remember when the headline says "may have" means it is not real news...................but is a waste of your time speculation..............an unconfirmed rumors........or a new offering from the news-ertainment media.............

What I simply call BS

BTW

Over the past 10 years thousands of Syrians have been resettled in the USA..........how many are or have been suspected terrorist?

If your answer is 4..........you win the kewpie doll
Now the situation is different. ISIS had already told us they will send their stealth jihadists into the US to attack cities across our nation. Their threat isn't empty rhetoric, it became reality in France in this year alone. So, why can't we have the coalition carved out a piece of secured land from ISIS in Syria or Iraq and settle those refugees in their home countries under the protection of the coalition troops and those who are young and capable to receive military to fight for their country?
 
Sorry, David, you can't compare apples and oranges. Majority of pro-lifers don't believe or engage in violence against anyone. The ones that did were far and few between.

Even so, you can't deny that those who bombed abortion clinics did so because they had a genuine belief that the unborns in human wombs are human babies. This is scientific fact. Effectively, they believed they were defending the lives of the unborns just as in the slavery days when people fought to free slaves from slavery.

Islamic terrorists are entirely different. They specifically select soft target and kill as many innocent people as they could, men, women and children. These innocent people weren't going around killing innocent babies or about to do so. They were just going about their daily routine of life.

Kind of like what John Kerry was trying to say as he differentiated between the Charli Hebdo attack in January, and the attack last week, but did so clumsily.
 
The interesting part about the OP's source is that it mentions several dozen terrorists may have entered the country as refugees out of over 70,000 refugees. Even if we assumed over 300 terrorists entered the country this way we are looking at half of one percent of all of the refugees. If anybody seriously thinks the vetting process is completely screwed up I'd like to see a better alternative.
Even though vast majority of refugees aren't terrorists, but for those who are devout or become devout followers of mohammad and islam the likelihood of them turning into terrorists is paper thin if they so much as perceived their muslim brethren are being persecuted or slaughtered by non-muslims from the West. Even if the first generation refugees would not turn violent, there is no guarantee that their children and their children will not in the future. The migration of muslims from Pakistan and India into Britain and other European countries are great example.
 
synonyms: allow, permit, let, give the means, equip, empower, make able, fit; make possible, facilitate; authorize, entitle, qualify; formal capacitate
"the brace will enable you to walk more steadily"

:roll: and you think this means that the brace is authorizing you to walk more steadily? :lol:

Enable helps regardless of intent. Authorization implies deliberate action. Enable can be non-deliberate. For example, the Brace in your sentence does not mean to enable you to walk more steadily, it simply has that effect.

When we fly someone from ISIL into country, settle them in a US community, and then provide them with public assistance, we are enabling them. We are not authorizing them. Nor is that enabling taking part within the vetting process, instead, the vetting process is prior to the actual enabling.

Now, did you actually have anything to say?
 
Your assertion that they were forced to do anything is based on nothing, but tell us did these imaginary Iranians follow them to the US and force them to ship arms to terrorist in Iraq?

Already corrected that oversight/inaccuracy in post #19.

But in case you're wondering, what I described did happen during the War in Iraq. Doesn't excuse what they did, but it did happen. Not necessarily out of malice or hatred of Americans in some cases, but based on threats to their themselves, their families and other forms of coercion by Iranian insurgents. In any case, I hope the two in Bowling Green who the FBI have evidence against are made to pay for their war crimes.
 
:roll: and you think this means that the brace is authorizing you to walk more steadily? :lol:
huhuhuhuh...you and I were not talking about "braces", you doubted whether "enabled" can mean "authorize" in the Enlish language, clearly it can....and further when used in the context of government "acts", authorize is very appropriate.

Enable helps regardless of intent. Authorization implies deliberate action. Enable can be non-deliberate. For example, the Brace in your sentence does not mean to enable you to walk more steadily, it simply has that effect.
But you have already admitted that the action was deliberate since you described the enabling by govt as an "act".

When we fly someone from ISIL into country, settle them in a US community, and then provide them with public assistance, we are enabling them. We are not authorizing them. Nor is that enabling taking part within the vetting process, instead, the vetting process is prior to the actual enabling.
Now you are changing your argument from "government" to "we". You and I are not in the federal business of granting refugee status to certain immigrants, so lets get back the point....you have already conceded it was a deliberate "act" by the US govt to grant refugee status to terrorists:


"The US Government may be enabling actual no-kidding terrorists to come and live here"

...is hyperbole, since the imperfect screening of terrorists is not the same as the US govt authorizing terrorist to live in the US.

Now, did you actually have anything to say?
I made my point, you have made a completely hypocritical statement that is in point of fact pure hyperbole, something you said "we" should not engage in. You are, as I predicted, parsing your own use of "enable" to avoid the hypocrisy.
 
Imperfect screening, lax screening - that argument is academic - the US govt has a responsibility not to increase risks to the American public. The govt's own attitude towards terrorism is lax, and therefore the public is being endangered in a cavalier way, with complete disregard for their safety. Somehow the US govt feels it has more responsibilities to those on the other side of the world, than to those who voted for them. Americans are paying the price for having foolishly voted in this govt, which cares relatively less about them compared to others.

A fool and his money are soon parted.
A fool and his security are soon parted.
A fool and his safety are soon parted.
A fool and anything worthwhile are soon parted.
 
huhuhuhuh...you and I were not talking about "braces",

Actually you were. See where you used the example:

Gimmesometruth said:
"the brace will enable you to walk more steadily"

Enable helps regardless of intent. Authorization implies deliberate action. Enable can be non-deliberate. For example, the Brace in your sentence does not mean to enable you to walk more steadily, it simply has that effect.

you doubted whether "enabled" can mean "authorize" in the Enlish language

No, I stated the two were not the same, and that my use of the word "enabling" in the statement:

cpwill said:
The US Government may be enabling actual no-kidding terrorists to come and live here

was correct.

Now, did you actually have a point?


"The US Government may be enabling actual no-kidding terrorists to come and live here"

...is hyperbole, since the imperfect screening of terrorists is not the same as the US govt authorizing terrorist to live in the US.

:shrug: since "authorizing"=/= "enabling", you are wrong on the face of your argument, and since I wasn't referencing the screening process, but rather the transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid, you are wrong in the assumption on which your statement hinges as well.


Now. Again. Did you have an actual point?
 
since "authorizing"=/= "enabling", you are wrong on the face of your argument
I have already shown that in the English language they are synonymous, you doubted they were, you then embraced the synonyms, now you have flipped again by rejecting English, which is absurd.

and since I wasn't referencing the screening process
As a matter of fact, this is known in common parlance as a lie, since your whole argument is premised on doubting the effectiveness of the "vetting process".



but rather the transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid, you are wrong in the assumption on which your statement hinges as well.
Again, more absurdity, since the process of authorizing a refugee to come to the US includes your already cited vetting which has to happen BEFORE any further "enabling" occurs, it is known in common parlance as a package deal, it is the context of your hyperbole. And just to be clear, my pointing out that your statement is hyperbole is not doing so by excluding any of the "enabling" process you cite, it includes it, this further attempt at parsing is absurd.



Now. Again. Did you have an actual point?
My original point still stands, it is complete hyperbole to suggest that the US govt is intentionally acting to have "terrorists" live in the US. It is hypocritical to make such a claim while whining that we should not engage in hyperbole.
 
I have already shown that in the English language they are synonymous

No, you showed how "authorize" is a potential synonym for "enable". Unfortunately, that does not mean that they are the same. For example, when you look up synonyms of "authorize", enable does not appear.

Because "Authorize" includes intent, it is purposeful action. Unlike, Enabling, which does not inherently include intent.

cpwill said:
but rather the transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid, you are wrong in the assumption on which your statement hinges as well.
As a matter of fact, this is known in common parlance as a lie, since your whole argument is premised on doubting the effectiveness of the "vetting process".

Are you or are you not aware that the vetting process precedes the transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid to refugees?

Because if you are aware, then your inability to fathom that problems in the vetting process could lead to enabling of terrorists via their transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid is the result of stupidity.

But if you aren't aware of that timeline, then it is simply ignorance, and nothing against you, but now you know better :)

Again, more absurdity, since the process of authorizing a refugee to come to the US includes your already cited vetting which has to happen BEFORE any further "enabling" occurs,

Ah. So you did know :)

And just to be clear, my pointing out that your statement is hyperbole is not doing so by excluding any of the "enabling" process you cite, it includes it, this further attempt at parsing is absurd.

You are the one trying the parsing. You have yet to show how anything I said was hyperbolic - the only thing you've offered is that if instead of saying "enabling" I had said "authorizing", that that would have been wrong, as it would have been accidental in nature.

My original point still stands, it is complete hyperbole to suggest that the US govt is intentionally acting to have "terrorists" live in the US.

:shrug: no one has argued that we intentionally import terrorists.
 
No, you showed how "authorize" is a potential synonym for "enable". Unfortunately, that does not mean that they are the same. For example, when you look up synonyms of "authorize", enable does not appear.
, well that depends on your source, unfortunately you were depending on my source to try to counter....derp!

Because "Authorize" includes intent, it is purposeful action. Unlike, Enabling, which does not inherently include intent.
Again, you equated it with "act", which concedes intent...and "enable" CAN include intent...derp again.



Are you or are you not aware that the vetting process precedes the transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid to refugees?
Yes..and I said so..derp again.

Because if you are aware, then your inability to fathom that problems in the vetting process could lead to enabling of terrorists via their transportation, resettlement, and provision of public aid is the result of stupidity.
Derp! That IS part and parcel of your whole hyperbole, that the govt is authorizing, acting, to have terrorist in the US.

But if you aren't aware of that timeline, then it is simply ignorance, and nothing against you, but now you know better :)
Again, your imagination works against you.



Ah. So you did know :)
Derp! Of course!



You are the one trying the parsing. You have yet to show how anything I said was hyperbolic - the only thing you've offered is that if instead of saying "enabling" I had said "authorizing", that that would have been wrong, as it would have been accidental in nature.
It has already been established that they are synonymous, that authorize is appropriate in describing govt acts for the processing of refugees to live in the US.



:shrug: no one has argued that we intentionally import terrorists.
Sure you weren't, you were never making the now acknowledged accidents of errors in screenings as anything other than mistakes. After all, you have a long history here in this forum of supporting minority groups, immigrants and refugees and would never attempt to show them or the processes of their incorporation into US society as anything other than fair. I mean, this whole thread isn't anything like a great big " 'jus say'n" routine, is it?
 
, well that depends on your source, unfortunately you were depending on my source to try to counter....derp!

Again, you equated it with "act", which concedes intent...and "enable" CAN include intent..

Enable can include content. That does not make intent inherent in enable. All squares are rectangles, which doesn't mean that all rectangles are squares. Which is why, in your example, the brace enabled someone to walk better.

Did the brace intend for that individual to walk better? Was that the brace's motivation? Or, as an inanimate object, did the brace lack any motivation whatsoever?

Definition of Enable:

verb (used with object), enabled, enabling.

1. to make able; give power, means, competence, or ability to; authorize:
This document will enable him to pass through the enemy lines unmolested.

2. to make possible or easy:
Aeronautics enables us to overcome great distances.

3. to make ready; equip (often used in combination):
Web-enabled cell phones.

:)

That IS part and parcel of your whole hyperbole, that the govt is authorizing, acting, to have terrorist in the US.

:shrug: I have never claimed that the US deliberately imports terrorists. I have pointed out that our procedures may be enabling them.


Again, your imagination works against you.

no, my actual knowledge works in my favor.

It has already been established that they are synonymous, that authorize is appropriate in describing govt acts for the processing of refugees to live in the US.

The US does indeed authorize refugees to live in the US. Unfortunately, the vetting process that it uses has holes, and we can end up enabling terrorists to come to our shores.

Sure you weren't

That's right, I wasn't. Feel free to try to show otherwise with anything except your puerile attempts to claim that "enable" has to mean "deliberately authorize".

you were never making the now acknowledged accidents of errors in screenings as anything other than mistakes.

:shrug: I don't even know that I would technically call them "mistakes". You can't do what you can't do, and that isn't the same as screwing up what you can do.

After all, you have a long history here in this forum of supporting minority groups, immigrants and refugees and would never attempt to show them or the processes of their incorporation into US society as anything other than fair.

I am less concerned about fair than I am about mercy and security. I have a pretty long history in this form (from the beginning of the conflict, in fact) of arguing that protecting refugees should be a mission that we assign to U.S. forces, which we then deploy to achieve that task. When the same liberals now claiming that anyone who is against large-scale-importation of Syrians into our shores is mean were saying variations of "F Them, We're Done Fighting Wars There", I was the guy arguing that we should be risking American lives and spending American treasure to help them escape the warzone and then protect them from attack. You won't acknowledge this because your purpose here is to troll rather than actually be sharpened (hence your attempt to demand that "enable" require "intent" in order to claim that I argued something I did not).
 
Oh god, here comes the ridiculous hysteria...
6 Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After ParisÂ*|Â*David Bier
"May have." LOL.
If we get to cherrypick To make a point against refugees, I say we deport all pro lifers! These psychopaths are obviously ALL potential terrorists who will bomb abortion clinics! I'd also like to know how this relates to Syrian refugees, who aren't terrorists. Curious..

Considering the events described in the OP, I can't see what reason you have to be confident that none of the Syrian refugees is a terrorist. You can't support your assertion that "Syrian refugees [] aren't terrorists," so you try to hide that fact with irrelevant comments about abortion clinics. Some people might wonder if your real purpose wasn't just to make excuses for Muslim jihadists.
 
Considering the events described in the OP, I can't see what reason you have to be confident that none of the Syrian refugees is a terrorist. You can't support your assertion that "Syrian refugees [] aren't terrorists," so you try to hide that fact with irrelevant comments about abortion clinics. Some people might wonder if your real purpose wasn't just to make excuses for Muslim jihadists.
The OP has "may" and doesn't show any actual attacks carried out by these people.
 
The operative word in the title is "may". Are you frightened enough to vote Con yet?
 
You have no idea how many people, including Jihadist have slipped through the cracks.

You have no idea how many sleepers already exist in the US

the fbi just arrested 70 people or so some of which were trfugees who had plots with isis
 
It's all they have. Anything to stir up anti refugee bull****.

so then you back allowing unvetted refugees from a terrorist country here?
why? I think my families safety overrides there right to come here.
 
so then you back allowing unvetted refugees from a terrorist country here?
why? I think my families safety overrides there right to come here.

Who the is backing bringing in refugees without running the process?
 
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