Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencies, i

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Because having classified information on her unclassified computer or server would be a crime. So she would not want to admit to a crime.

She didn't know it was there, it was sent to her without markings.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Classified emails could not...physically could not...be sent to her personal server. They'd have to be copied to disk or flash drive and put on the unclass computer that way (illegally). Or the information itself could be cut and pasted into the emails or paraphrased etc.

More likely transcribed or paraphrased. So, for example, [EXAMPLE ONLY] if I get a TS//SCI briefing that "General Smith has begun to move forces around the capital of Arcadia, and may be about to launch a coup against President Jones", and then I turn around, hop on gmail, and send a quick note to my boss saying "Hey, be on the lookout for a possible situation - I talked to NGA and it looks like Gen Smith in Arcadia might be about to launch a coup".... [EXAMPLE ONLY]

then I would produce emails that look roughly similar to how these are reported.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

She didn't know it was there, it was sent to her without markings.

So she could try to run with the incompetency argument - that she didn't realize that reporting streams out of those agencies would be classified because gosh silly old grandma me, can't handle two electronic devices, sattelites up in space you say? Gosh what won't they think of next.....


.... until it came out that some of the information being passed around was also FGI (Foreign Government Information). Which is also classified at birth, and is State Department. So, she would have to argue that she had no idea how she was supposed to do business as the Secretary of State in order to make that argument stick.

It would sort of be like Obama suddenly discovering that he's the Commander in Chief, 6 years into his Presidency. Gosh, you mean that's why the Joint Chiefs are always briefing me on stuff?

:roll:

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Because if she was receiving classified information over unclassified networks then

A) she is an incompetent
B) she has put US national security at risk, and
C) she has broken the law and violated her NDA.

We have networks for decision makers to receive and transmit SECRET and TOP SECRET material. She probably got those briefs and those messages in those formats, but apparently she also though it was okay to have it delivered on her blackberry when convenient. Laws? Psh. Laws are for the little people, I'm Hilllary and I'm Busy.

Her motive was...

 

[cpwill]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Her motive was...

Likely speed and convenience. Secret and TS networks have to be specially maintained, placed, protected, etc. For Principles like SECSTATE, we can go to some ridiculous lengths to make it easy and accessible, but your accounts and devices are still going to be split up. She can message back and forth with her aids on a blackberry while in a conference, or waiting for the Parade of Grand Pumba's to finish, or whatnot on an unclassified line - you can't do that with a classified one.

Then, afterwards, to keep precisely these kinds of revelations from happening.

 

[MMC]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Even your source says the emails were unclassified.

Note Pete, is says the classified information found in Clinton's email trove. Imagine that......finding classified information in a Clinton Squeezebox.



It’s possible that the classified information found in Clinton’s email trove wasn’t marked as such. But if that classification notice was omitted, it wasn’t the U.S. intelligence community that took such markings away......snip~


That leaves Hillary and her aides.....and the State Dept. That's who it is narrowed down to Pete. Guess which one wont take the weight over its employees.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Goodbye NBD, you have not given an acceptable answer. Have you figured out yet that its nearly impossible to edit an email without being detected.

It is?


Please to explain.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

How do you get the header information correct?

look at a similar email.

 

[MMC]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

...... and what, exactly, do you think that proves?



:doh You are literally quoting her quoting EO13526 and claiming that it's her posting garbage.

INR is not a collection agency. It was the analysis section of the OSS that got broken off and handed off to State after WWII. They probably should work better with their embassy staff, agreed, but the collection that goes on out of embassies is either Defense Department (The Defense Attache, which is overt collection) or CIA (which is covert collection).

The agencies that created this intelligence were collection agencies. By the time it got to State Department channels, it was already classified. So, for example, when I was working intel for the Marines, I would get DAT reporting, I would get CIA reporting, I would get NSA reporting, I would get NRO reporting, and I would get NGA products, and I would try to fuse all those together into integrated, multi-source intelligence for my boss. All reporting that comes from the CIA is classified at the point of origination, all reporting from the NSA is classified from origination, all reporting from any of these agencies is classified from the point of origination. There is no "it was later classified" for that kind of material.

If it was collateral, it had to stay on SIPR or above. It if was SCI, it had to stay on JWICS. If I put any of that crap onto NIPR much less if I put it only my personal, I would have been toast. Because I'm one of the Little People to whom the rules apply.


The individual who took classified information from another agency, and then repeated that information in an unclassified email, has violated their NDA a couple of laws, as has the individual who receives and then does not report that information; especially if that second party then stores that classified data privately, refuses to turn it over to the government, and transfers it to third parties, none of whom have security clearances.

Heya CPW, Didn't we have the laws that were broken in one of your threads on this. I can't find that thread we had them up in. As you know how the leftists like to go over the same ole ground.

This is what they do.....hoping the info gets lost in transition.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...olated-no-laws-policies-8.html#post1064965368

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

It is?


Please to explain.

look at a similar email.

And it magically changes before your eyes?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

And it magically changes before your eyes?

So you don't know, the tech is above you and you proclaim it not possible.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

So you don't know, the tech is above you and you proclaim it not possible.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing

So we have conspiracy here? Hillary doent have the knowledge to accomplish this herself.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

So we have conspiracy here? Hillary doent have the knowledge to accomplish this herself.

No, I made no comment one way or the other about that. I took issue with your proclamation that it's not possible.

 

[pinqy]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

She didn't know it was there, it was sent to her without markings.

One, she should't need markings to know some things are classified.
Two, When the information left its respective agencies, it was marked. Someone, somewhere along the way, rewrote it without markings or stripped the markings then cut and paste.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

No, I made no comment one way or the other about that. I took issue with your proclamation that it's not possible.

Sorry, last night I said it was not nearly possible.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Sorry, last night I said it was not nearly possible.

indeed, I corrected you.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

One, she should't need markings to know some things are classified.
Two, When the information left its respective agencies, it was marked. Someone, somewhere along the way, rewrote it without markings or stripped the markings then cut and paste.

Do you realize INR frequently disagees with the other agencies.

 

[MMC]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

She didn't know it was there, it was sent to her without markings.

They already know that it wasn't sent to her without markings. That's why they clearly stated the markings weren't removed by any others in the IC.

 

[pinqy]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Do you realize INR frequently disagees with the other agencies.

Yes, but that's irrelvant because they cannot declassify another agency's reports. They can't just decide it shouldn't be classified and then ship around their own version.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

How do you get the header information correct?

The header is the highest possible aggregation of all the information contained inside the document.

So, for example [EXAMPLE ONLY

If you take the following information:

TS//SI//REL TO USA, FVEY: This is information that is Top-Secret, derives from Special Intelligence, and is Releasable to the United States and its "Five Eyes" partners.

S//TK//NF: This is information that is Secret, derives from Sattelite Imagery, and is Releasable to US only - NF stands for "NOFORN".

And you put them both together in a document.

Then the header (and footer) would read: "TOP SECRET//SI/TK//NOFORN" , as it would have the most restrictive secrecy level (TOP SECRET), all the caveats in the document (SI and TK, so you have to be read in to both to read the joint paper), and the most restrictive releasability (NOFORN).

[EXAMPLE ONLY

Formal Products and briefs usually also have cover pages and back pages where they put this in big, shiny, colored letters on the front so that it is impossible to miss.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

They already know that it wasn't sent to her without markings. That's why they clearly stated the markings weren't removed by any others in the IC.

That is false, they never said such a thing.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

That is false, they never said such a thing.

That's interesting.

Given that the information left the processors with markings on it, are you suggesting that it wasn't removed by those who sent it to Hillary, but by Hillary herself?

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Yes, but that's irrelvant because they cannot declassify another agency's reports. They can't just decide it shouldn't be classified and then ship around their own version.

They didn't declassify another agency's reports. They produced their own report not knowing the information was classified. That's the real reason there was there no markings. The other agency found the information while going through her emails. She's innocent of such charges.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

That's interesting.

Given that the information left the processors with markings on it, are you suggesting that it wasn't removed by those who sent it to Hillary, but by Hillary herself?

see post #73

 

[cpwill]

Re: Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencie

Do you realize INR frequently disagees with the other agencies.

Yes. I have gotten into several debates with them myself. They have a very interesting contrarian culture which can sometimes lead them to be very right in seeing what others miss, and can also lead them to being very wrong (personal experience plus experience of others).



Do you realize that the INR is not authorized to declassify other agency's information, and is not an agency with Enterprise responsibility for any intelligence discipline?

So, for example, if an INR analyst - or any other government employee - read a report from the CIA marked "S//NF", that analyst is required by law to treat it as S//NF until the CIA tells him otherwise.