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[venice_ca]

They could likely get away from the overtime if they simply hired more personnel.

But in the day and age of 'defund the police', how do you think that plays?

The LAPD budget was not decreased.

The proposal was to allocate monies to have health care professionals accompany law enforcement when responding to a call involving a mental crisis. Some of the largest settlements for wrongful death or grave injury involved police response to a person having a mental crisis. One case involved the death of the son of a lawyer — while his family was present. Very, very large settlement. The proposed allocation was to save the department funds for actual police work rather than to settle lawsuits.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The LAPD budget was not decreased.

Let's not muddy the issue up with facts.

 

[Cope]

The LAPD budget was not decreased.

I'm not saying it was but being in California, I am sure that it was a prevalent discussion/issue.

They wouldn't need to decrease (although they probably could if they just hired more FTE's, and ditched the overtime pay.)

The proposal was to allocate monies to have health care professionals accompany law enforcement when responding to a call involving a mental crisis. Some of the largest settlements for wrongful death or grave injury involved police response to a person having a mental crisis. One case involved the death of the son of a lawyer — while his family was present. Very, very large settlement. The proposed allocation was to save the department funds for actual police work rather than to settle lawsuits.

 

[rhinefire]

They could likely get away from the overtime if they simply hired more personnel.

But in the day and age of 'defund the police', how do you think that plays?

There are 9,000 cops in L.A. all major cities dump overtime on their officers. If they didn't they would quit the force because like our teachers, this country refuses to offer good wages.

 

[uptower]

Not good. Not good at all.

DJT and crew are hellbent on creating a disaster.

In my city. In my state.

Oh trust me he'll do it in all of them if he can.

 

[Cope]

There are 9,000 cops in L.A. all major cities dump overtime on their officers. If they didn't they would quit the force because like our teachers, this country refuses to offer good wages.

Not a very cost effective method of paying salaries.

Don't you agree.

 

[rhinefire]

Not a very cost effective method of paying salaries.

Don't you agree.

Time and a half for one cop versus two full time salaries? Seems like a savings to me and I am real good at math.

 

[Cope]

Time and a half for one cop versus two full time salaries? Seems like a savings to me and I am real good at math.

Time and a half for ALL of the cops, vs a few more FTE's.

No, you aren't very good at math since it would never be a one to one replacement.

 

[rhinefire]

Time and a half for ALL of the cops, vs a few more FTE's.

No, you aren't very good at math since it would never be a one to one replacement.

No juicer not all cops work OT 24-7. Wake up!

 

[Cope]

No juicer not all cops work OT 24-7. Wake up!

There are 9,000 cops in L.A. all major cities dump overtime on their officers. If they didn't they would quit the force because like our teachers, this country refuses to offer good wages.

Evidently there are plenty that do though, right?

Or they would all find some other line of work, since it doesn't pay if they don't.

Pick a side.

 

[rhinefire]

Evidently there are plenty that do though, right?

Or they would all find some other line of work, since it doesn't pay if they don't.

Pick a side.

You neglect to understand the cost of a single employee. Why would a company hire another person to do the work one person having to add the costs associated with it?

 

[Cope]

You neglect to understand the cost of a single employee. Why would a company hire another person to do the work one person having to add the costs associated with it?

Like I just explained to you. When replacing 10 hrs of overtime per employee (you simply add an FTE for every 40 hrs of overtime (at a lesser cost than the 40 hrs of overtime accrued.))

SIMPLE math.

 

[Bodecea]

Because there is no threat here right?

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When and where was that picture taken? I ask because the rapey felon's minions have already been caught posting old pics from 2020 trying to claim they are now in LA.

 

[Bodecea]

You're partly right, but Newsom is the real enemy. He doesn't govern, so someone (maybe Californians) need to step in and do it for him to bring back order. Stop voting for the leftwing idiot, and any other similar politician like Kamala.

MAGAt minions con-cerned about the one Governor standing up against fascism.

 

[Bodecea]

You should act more like J brown's body, and be quiet.

Sounds like a threat.

 

[Bodecea]

Malcolm X hated white liberals with a passion.

And?

 

[Bodecea]

Gotta love seeing the left defend the violence.

Remember when that said it was okay to go protest for George Floyd during peak covid?

What violence? Cops shooting (with rubber bullets) the press and a woman walking home from work?

 

[CANON]

Of course you would. What you don’t say is how you would do that without endangering lives. Would a mob of angry protesters detain him for the authorities? Of course not. The whole point of their “protest” is based on an objection to arresting people. Won’t happen. So you would expect the police to wade into the lion’s den and hope they don’t shoot anyone. You have no clue as to why the authorities would declare a curfew or an “unlawful assembly”

If safety and order is more important than rights and freedoms, well that sounds more like China than America.

Arrest those committing criminal acts, protect those that are not. That’s what law enforcement is supposed to do. Freedom isn’t always convenient or free.

 

[Ahlevah]

If safety and order is more important than rights and freedoms, well that sounds more like China than America.

Who said that? According to our founding document, the whole point of civil society is to secure the natural rights of man. That doesn’t mean rioters have a right to throw rocks at cops while hiding behind “protesters.” The First Amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

“Peaceably to assemble” means peaceably come together as a group. If people within the group are throwing rocks or fireworks at other people, that’s not a peaceful group. At that point it becomes an unlawful assembly. Under California law, that can be as few as two people. That means anyone within that group has lost his right to protest as a part of it. That’s been true since 14th Century England, certainly since 1791 when the Bill of Rights was enacted.

Arrest those committing criminal acts, protect those that are not. That’s what law enforcement is supposed to do. Freedom isn’t always convenient or free.

Have you seen what happens when cops attempt to enter these groups? They get attacked, or the crowd attempts to protect the individuals committing the violent acts. The whole point of these ICE protests is based on an objection to law enforcement agencies attempting to effectuate arrests. So no thank you. Public safety comes first. Just send the angry mob home, investigate who may have thrown rocks or whatever, and arrest them later. Throwing large rocks from a highway overpass at a moving vehicle is attempted murder. **** their “protest.” They need to go to prison.

 

[CANON]

Who said that? According to our founding document, the whole point of civil society is to secure the natural rights of man. That doesn’t mean rioters have a right to throw rocks at cops while hiding behind “protesters.” The First Amendment says:

Well you said that you silly goose. Wanting any protest to be terminated by the police the moment anyone throws any stone effectively terminating any law abiding citizens rights, you prefer having big daddy government to make you feel all safe.

As to the rest, hide behind those moving goal posts all you want - it's safe behind them.

 

[Ahlevah]

Well you said that you silly goose. Wanting any protest to be terminated by the police the moment anyone throws any stone effectively terminating any law abiding citizens rights, you prefer having big daddy government to make you feel all safe.

Have you tried reading California’s law on the topic? Because I agree with it. It says:



Hopefully, that clarifies for you exactly where I stand, which is with the Constitution and the law.

As to the rest, hide behind those moving goal posts all you want - it's safe behind them.

What moving goal posts? Name one.

 

[multivita-man]

Then they should have when they had the chance.

What's the number now? 2000 Guard troops? Holing up, sleeping on floors, defending property and space that protesters have largely left.

 

[CANON]

Hopefully, that clarifies for you exactly where I stand, which is with the Constitution and the law.

"Whenever two or more persons assemble together to do an unlawful act, or do a lawful act in a violent, boisterous, or tumultuous manner, such assembly is an unlawful assembly."

Dude, have you never been to a live sporting event or comedy show? What about church? Ever walked around singing Christmas carols? You want all that to be illegal?

What moving goal posts? Name one.

What was initially responded to, the entire discussion based on this:

As soon as the first rock is thrown or people stay past curfew, the “mostly peaceful protest” becomes an unlawful assembly and should be ended.

To this:

Throwing large rocks from a highway overpass at a moving vehicle is attempted murder. **** their “protest.

 

[Ahlevah]

"Whenever two or more persons assemble together to do an unlawful act, or do a lawful act in a violent, boisterous, or tumultuous manner, such assembly is an unlawful assembly."

Dude, have you never been to a live sporting event or comedy show? What about church? Ever walked around singing Christmas carols? You want all that to be illegal?

Are you seriously comparing an angry, rock-throwing mob to a group of Christmas carolers or hecklers at a comedy show?

The difference is the carolers are not there to commit a crime or threaten public order. They can can be asked to leave or be removed from the premises if they’re not welcome, and most likely would leave. Same with the hecklers or people who disrupt a sporting event. That’s not a simple task when you’re facing an uncooperative mob, even if not all of them are violent or threatening.

What was initially responded to, the entire discussion based on this:

Okay. Two people throwing rocks. That constitutes an unlawful assembly in California.

To this:

That’s illegal, too. Personally, I think shooting anyone on a highway overpass throwing a large rock or brick at a moving vehicle would be justified.