Examining the decline in race relations

[Sweden]

CHoooChooo! Thank you for proving me right again ad that you have no interest in honest, rational discussion. Owning posts like yours is easy. Lets continue the fun and watch me get proven right and my questions get dodged again. Set, ready, GO!!!
-Do you feel differently(negative) about other races now than before just based on race?
-When you are out in your community do you think other races feel feel differently(negative) about you now than before just based on your race?
-At your work do you feel people are bashing other races or talking about wanting to or actually discriminating against them, not hiring them, serving them, treating them uncivilly or expecting less of them has increased now than before because of race?
- In your social circles are you or others now bashing people based on race more now and you weren't doing it before?
- Do you think there is more disdain among people when they see an interracial couple now than before because of race?
- Do you think there's more risk that average people of two different races will not get along or treat eachother civil because of race now than before because of race?

Here is a little example of how community relations in the UK are better now than they were a decade ago. In the current series of the popular TV series 'No Offence' the two main villains, the woman boss of a major criminal gang and her son, are black. It is simply no longer necessary to cringe before PC and have only 'white' baddies. British TV drama is well on its way to being colour blind. Skin tone is simply irrelevant to whether a character is good, bad or a bit of both.

And in the real world black MPs no longer have their names prefixed by " The black MP .... ".

 

[LaylaWindu]

The question was: "Have race relations declined since 2009?"

Your answer:



That being the case, why are you even here?

I can not and will not engage in a discussion with you about the decline in race relations, when you refuse to acknowledge that race relations has in FACT declined.

Awesome you dodge my questions again!! Owning your posts is aso easy Hahahaha You have yet to provided on fact showing they have declined. Why do you post lies? Now answer my questions about race relations or dodge them again!

 

[Grim17]

The rightwing doesn't get its marching orders or propaganda from MSM. They don't consider any of it credible, and have been railing about it for years. So why the hell would I provide those as sources speaking to the rightwing?! You're not making any sense.

And since when is David Horowitz or Frontpage considered "obscure"? Ridiculous.

You are absolutely hopeless... Instead of refuting my post, or presenting facts to substantiate your own, you just throw **** at the wall hoping something sticks.

Cause: The specific actions I stated on post #65

Effect: The decline in race relations.

 

[RickJames3000]

You are absolutely hopeless... Instead of refuting my post, or presenting facts to substantiate your own, you just throw **** at the wall hoping something sticks.

Cause: The specific actions I stated on post #65

Effect: The decline in race relations.

You haven't been able to defend anything you've said, and have only responded by wilting under the counterarguments presented to you.

 

[Napoleon]

We are an impasse. All I can suggest is that you read up some genetics. The leading scientists in the field - make that all as far as I know - say that there are no such things as separate and distinct races. I do not know where the sub-species thing came from - certainly not from me.

The idea of 'races' was already in tatters then along came the discovery of DNA; then it was finally destroyed.

I'm familiar with the research. Unfortunately the matter of DNA is presented somewhat dishonestly by those who seek to eliminate racial categorization for other reasons. There is, in fact, sufficient genetic variation and clustering to support this categorization and these are important distinctions for medical reasons. They are used all the time in, for example, assessing the risks of inheritable diseases such as Sickle Cell Disorder or Cystic Fibrosis.

 

[Sweden]

I'm familiar with the research. Unfortunately the matter of DNA is presented somewhat dishonestly by those who seek to eliminate racial categorization for other reasons. There is, in fact, sufficient genetic variation and clustering to support this categorization and these are important distinctions for medical reasons. They are used all the time in, for example, assessing the risks of inheritable diseases such as Sickle Cell Disorder or Cystic Fibrosis.

Of course individuals in gene pools have some - but certainly very far from all - dna sequences in common but this does not make them into a 'race'. Go down that path and you will end up with first hundreds of thousands, then millions, then 6 billion different 'races'. For all our genomes differ - unless of course we have an identical twin.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Of course individuals in gene pools have some - but certainly very far from all - dna sequences in common but this does not make them into a 'race'. Go down that path and you will end up with first hundreds of thousands, then millions, then 6 billion different 'races'. For all our genomes differ - unless of course we have an identical twin.

Well, another issue, is that beyond genetics, allot of what we ascribe to "Race", is cultural, knoledge, and experience based. For better or worse, or sometimes just different, it is in the software, not the hardware.

People who don't think things through, tend to insist that it is all genetics, no matter how much you demostrate, "Race" is not genetic, or uniform, or even permanent.


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[Sweden]

Well, another issue, is that beyond genetics, allot of what we ascribe to "Race", is cultural, knoledge, and experience based. For better or worse, or sometimes just different, it is in the software, not the hardware.

People who don't think things through, tend to insist that it is all genetics, no matter how much you demostrate, "Race" is not genetic, or uniform, or even permanent.


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Exactly. Islam, for example, is a culture not a race. Calling those of us who dislike this particular noxious culture 'racists' is absurd.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

It never ceases to amaze me how white supremacists can blame "the Left" and "the media" for souring race relations instead of admitting that they're racist pieces of ****.

 

[Cephus]

It never ceases to amaze me how white supremacists can blame "the Left" and "the media" for souring race relations instead of admitting that they're racist pieces of ****.

Why? The liberals won't admit what a bunch of racist pieces of **** they are.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Why? The liberals won't admit what a bunch of racist pieces of **** they are.

Do you mean Hillary "superpredators" Clinton, or are you trying to make the morally and intellectually retarded argument that opposing the racism is the same thing as racism?

 

[Cephus]

Do you mean Hillary "superpredators" Clinton, or are you trying to make the morally and intellectually retarded argument that opposing the racism is the same thing as racism?

Tell that to the people who pay attention to nothing but race.

 

[Grim17]

It never ceases to amaze me how white supremacists can blame "the Left" and "the media" for souring race relations instead of admitting that they're racist pieces of ****.

What "white supremacists" have done this?

 

[ocean515]

It seems like what you are responding to is an the argument between white people about racism... generally prosecuted on political forums and in the media.
That's a different animal, but unfortunately it is being conflated with race relations here in this thread, and indeed elsewhere in society.

Well, to a degree, yes. I am responding based on comments and media reports.

But one can't ignore the demonstrations in cities, on college campuses, and in other venues around the country. One can't ignore the accusations and claims from elected officials. Those efforts aren't words on a page, or sound bites on a MSM channel.

The entire effort to overcome the campaign President Trump centered on accusations that he, and those supporting him were racist, xenophobic, etc, etc.. Hillary went on to imply it was a fatal flaw in his supporters.

That kind of thinking, and that demonstrated strategy, has one purpose, and that is to drive a racial wedge between the citizens for political gain.

I don't recall seeing that type of strategy deployed by the right.

 

[Moderate Right]

It never ceases to amaze me how white supremacists can blame "the Left" and "the media" for souring race relations instead of admitting that they're racist pieces of ****.

And that is exactly why Trump won the election. Everyone is getting tired of being judged by the left while they proclaim that the right is judging others.

 

[Moderate Right]

What "white supremacists" have done this?

Don't you know? All Republicans and everyone who voted for Trump are "white supremacists".

 

[RickJames3000]

Well, to a degree, yes. I am responding based on comments and media reports.

But one can't ignore the demonstrations in cities, on college campuses, and in other venues around the country. One can't ignore the accusations and claims from elected officials. Those efforts aren't words on a page, or sound bites on a MSM channel.

The entire effort to overcome the campaign President Trump centered on accusations that he, and those supporting him were racist, xenophobic, etc, etc.. Hillary went on to imply it was a fatal flaw in his supporters.

That kind of thinking, and that demonstrated strategy, has one purpose, and that is to drive a racial wedge between the citizens for political gain.

I don't recall seeing that type of strategy deployed by the right.

Race is only one among many issues that people out in the street are protesting.

To say that the "entire effort to overcome the campaign President Trump centered on accusations that he, and those supporting him were racist" is to demonstrate the fatal flaw in your thinking. The biggest criticisms of Trump have much more to do with his own narcissism and his complete lack of history or previous interest in public service.

Feel free to dwell on "racism" when it comes to Trump and his cult, but you aren't doing anyone any favors by doing so. It's those on the Right keeping that fire burning, as I said up-thread. I believe it is mostly a distraction, and 9 out of 10 times I see "racism" brought up, it is by a Trump-supporter.

Who started this thread, for instance?

 

[ocean515]

Race is only one among many issues that people out in the street are protesting.

To say that the "entire effort to overcome the campaign President Trump centered on accusations that he, and those supporting him were racist" is to demonstrate the fatal flaw in your thinking. The biggest criticisms of Trump have much more to do with his own narcissism and his complete lack of history or previous interest in public service.

Feel free to dwell on "racism" when it comes to Trump and his cult, but you aren't doing anyone any favors by doing so. It's those on the Right keeping that fire burning, as I said up-thread. I believe it is mostly a distraction, and 9 out of 10 times I see "racism" brought up, it is by a Trump-supporter.

Who started this thread, for instance?

There is no fatal flaw in my thinking. That flaw is in yours, and your unwillingness to admit it.

Those protests were organized and paid for by political forces with the singular intent to stir racial fires for political gain.

That is a fact.

It's shameful.

So again, I agree there is an element of the left's MSM that is creating the illusion there is a greater divide than is likely true among individuals, but that doesn't change the fact that polls reflect the success of their objective.

 

[RickJames3000]

There is no fatal flaw in my thinking. That flaw is in yours, and your unwillingness to admit it.

Those protests were organized and paid for by political forces with the singular intent to stir racial fires for political gain.

That is a fact.

It's shameful.

So again, I agree there is an element of the left's MSM that is creating the illusion there is a greater divide than is likely true among individuals, but that doesn't change the fact that polls reflect the success of their objective.

You're wrong. It's your own media bubble telling you that everyone else is calling you a racist.
You are helping promote that story. Wake up.

 

[ocean515]

You're wrong. It's your own media bubble telling you that everyone else is calling you a racist.
You are helping promote that story. Wake up.

No way. I can't see how you can possibly state it is "my own media bubble", (whatever that means) that is telling me that everyone else is calling me a racist.

The Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States not only called me a racist, which was broadcast across the Nation, but claimed in effect, it was a hopeless state that could never be corrected. And her followers cheered that statement.

What the heck do you think that is?


I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. No way to find a bridge across an abyss of such magnitude.

 

[RickJames3000]

No way. I can't see how you can possibly state it is "my own media bubble", (whatever that means) that is telling me that everyone else is calling me a racist.

The Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States not only called me a racist, which was broadcast across the Nation, but claimed in effect, it was a hopeless state that could never be corrected. And her followers cheered that statement.

What the heck do you think that is?


I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. No way to find a bridge across an abyss of such magnitude.

Think about it this way...
You personalized an offhand comment...

characterized by the speaker herself as "grossly generalistic"

delivered at a private donor's event,
that was recorded over four months ago,
widely distributed by rightwing media,
and only covered by MSM as a response to the suggestion that they were being biased by not repeating the story,

DRILLED into your head via dissemination throughout social media outlets...

a single phrase taken out-of-context,
that was gleefully appropriated by Trump's campaign
and his supporters,

and repeated ad nauseum by rightwing media outlets
and those very supporters who identified themselves with the word "deplorable",

and this comment was delivered by the candidate who LOST the election...

and here you are... in this very thread,
keeping the story of "the Left's" accusations alive,

in your vanquished opponent's memory,

AND somehow you believe that the racial tensions are caused by "the Leftists"?!
:roll:

 

[ocean515]

Think about it this way...
You personalized an offhand comment...

characterized by the speaker herself as "grossly generalistic"

delivered at a private donor's event,
that was recorded over four months ago,
widely distributed by rightwing media,
and only covered by MSM as a response to the suggestion that they were being biased by not repeating the story,

DRILLED into your head via dissemination throughout social media outlets...

a single phrase taken out-of-context,
that was gleefully appropriated by Trump's campaign
and his supporters,

and repeated ad nauseum by rightwing media outlets
and those very supporters who identified themselves with the word "deplorable",

and this comment was delivered by the candidate who LOST the election...

and here you are... in this very thread,
keeping the story of "the Left's" accusations alive,

in your vanquished opponent's memory,

AND somehow you believe that the racial tensions are caused by "the Leftists"?!
:roll:

Yes, I, and 10's of millions of people don't just think so, they know so.

I don't have to keep anything alive. That is being done quite handily by the left you seem desperate to defend.

I think we've spent enough time on this, so if you want to have the last word, so be it.

 

[Socrates1]

After 4 decades of slow but steady improvement, race relations in America began a very sharp decline beginning in mid 2009 and there's no sign of it getting any better today. In fact, the percentage of the public who feel race relations are good in America, is 7 points lower now (July 2016 poll) than it was nearly 25 years ago, and a whopping 40 points lower than it was in early 2009.

What I would like to know, is what each of you believes has caused this nearly 8 years of decline in race relations and what, if any, solutions you might have to restore things.

I will be posting my opinion on this later tonight, or tomorrow, depending on my work load.

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Your chart is upside down . :lol:

 

[LaylaWindu]

I wonder if anybody will actually answer my questions. I love how the few here that have the opinion things are worse are avoiding the questions like the plaque.
-Do you feel differently(negative) about other races now than before just based on race?
-When you are out in your community do you think other races feel feel differently(negative) about you now than before just based on your race?
-At your work do you feel people are bashing other races or talking about wanting to or actually discriminating against them, not hiring them, serving them, treating them uncivilly or expecting less of them has increased now than before because of race?
- In your social circles are you or others now bashing people based on race more now and you weren't doing it before?
- Do you think there is more disdain among people when they see an interracial couple now than before because of race?
- Do you think there's more risk that average people of two different races will not get along or treat eachother civil because of race now than before because of race?

If you answer yes to any of these, please tell us why. Why did you or people you know who weren't racist before now become racist. If they understood the fact that a person's race does not determine what type of person they are what made them stop believing that fact?

 

[Cephus]

I wonder if anybody will actually answer my questions. I love how the few here that have the opinion things are worse are avoiding the questions like the plaque.
-Do you feel differently(negative) about other races now than before just based on race?

Nope. But I've never felt negatively about other races, I think race is an artificial concept and anyone who is concerned about it at all is an idiot.

-When you are out in your community do you think other races feel feel differently(negative) about you now than before just based on your race?

I don't think most of the people I am around care any more now than they did before, mostly because I don't hang around with lunatic regressives. My next door neighbor is black. I don't care that they're black. I don't think they care that we're white. I don't care that my neighbor across the street is Hispanic and I can't imagine they give a damn about my skin color either. We're all people.

-At your work do you feel people are bashing other races or talking about wanting to or actually discriminating against them, not hiring them, serving them, treating them uncivilly or expecting less of them has increased now than before because of race?

Nope, but then again I'd say most people at my work fall on the conservative end of the spectrum. I did run into someone over the summer who was blatantly sexist and wanted me to only hire men and I told them very graphically where they could stick that suggestion. But so far, no racists that I am aware of.

- In your social circles are you or others now bashing people based on race more now and you weren't doing it before?

Nope, I don't hang our with liberals.

- Do you think there is more disdain among people when they see an interracial couple now than before because of race?

Nobody cared before, nobody cares now. Well, except the political left.

- Do you think there's more risk that average people of two different races will not get along or treat eachother civil because of race now than before because of race?

Depends on the views of the individuals. There are individual racists out there of all types, always have been, always will be. I don't think anything has changed in the past couple of years though, except the racists on the left are more vocal about their racism.

If you answer yes to any of these, please tell us why. Why did you or people you know who weren't racist before now become racist. If they understood the fact that a person's race does not determine what type of person they are what made them stop believing that fact?

The only change has been young liberals who hate themselves going on social media rants about how awful being white is. And those people are morons.