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Exactly how is the Afghanistan debacle Kamala's fault? Maybe our MAGA's can explain?

It is MAGA Republicans we are talking about, all they have is blame, no matter the subject and all without evidence.
Exactly! I have never seen a bigger collection of insecure crybabies in all of my life.
In their insecure world, Trump has to be "perfect" in order forcthem to support him. As a result, they willingly sacrifice their own self-esteem to make Trump "Godly". Truly sad.
 
If Trump were going to order a mad chaotic dash out like Biden did, he would have done it. he would not have left it for the idiot.
That is pure trump spin.

Explain to me how any President could pull out of a conflict without the chance of a terrorist attack on the final day? How would Trump have ensured nothing bad would have happened.


my take is Trump was too scared to withdraw from the conflict. If he won a second term in 2020 we would still be at war in Afghanistan today.
 
Exactly! I have never seen a bigger collection of insecure crybabies in all of my life.
In their insecure world, Trump has to be "perfect" in order forcthem to support him. As a result, they willingly sacrifice their own self-esteem to make Trump "Godly". Truly sad.
I have to protest against THAT characterization.
In order to sacrifice their own self-esteem they would have to have had some in the first place. They didn't and they don't.
 
Hmmm. That argument makes about as much sense as "Covfefe".
So, using your "alternative universe" logic, if you are the last one to leave the house and it burns to the ground, is it automatically your fault?
See how easy it is to squash a Trump cult position?....LMAO
For one thing, a "LMAO" doesn't have the confrontation effect you think it does.
But, more on topic, from April , 2021 ...
Vice President Kamala Harris on Sunday said she was the “last person in the room” with President Biden when he made the decision to pull all US troops out of Afghanistan.

In an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Harris was asked about Biden’s statement that he wanted the VP to be “the last voice in the room,” particularly when making big decisions, like he was when he served as vice president under Barack Obama.
 
Exactly how is the Afghan tragedy Kamala's fault?
Let me see if I am remembering this right:
Trump (the great negotiator) makes an ill-advised deal by trusting the Taliban (stupid decision) releasing 5,000 terrorists (stupid decision) and then dumps this "shitpile" of a deal (which Trump was advised not to make in the first place) in Biden's lap to clean up.
Biden enters the W.H., then adds to an already bad deal with some very "questionable" decision making of his own.
So, now we have a Trump mistake coupled with Biden mistake and we end up with the deaths of U. S. Service personnel and Afghan civilians from a terrorist attack. Very, very tragic. So, exactly how is this Kamala's fault? Did she negotiate this deal? Did she execute the withdrawal? Is she guilty by association?
If the rational is that Harris is responsible because the Afghanistan tragedy happened because of poor decisions made on her and Biden's "watch", then we can equivalently say that Trump is responsible for all U.S. Covid deaths because that tragedy happened as a result of poor decision making on Trump's "watch". In fact, since Harris is only the V.P., we can fairly say that Trump is far more responsible for the respective American deaths than Harris is.
I imagine they'll try to explain it in the same way idiot extraordinaire Ron Johnson explains how Walz's 2-week trip to China as a teacher of 2nd language back in the 80's was as an undercover agent for the Chinese government who sent him back to American to spy on the Americans by getting appointed as assistant coach for 20 years and then waiting to get picked by Harris as her VP running mate so they could get into office and and turn America into a vassel state for the Chinese regime. Yep, makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
 
Explain to me how any President could pull out of a conflict without the chance of a terrorist attack on the final day? How would Trump have ensured nothing bad would have happened.
A phased and orderly withdrawal was already in the works. That's why there were only roughly 2400 troops remaining when the idiot (Biden) took office. And they were not dying. Trump made it clear to the Taliban that any US withdrawal would have been subject to Taliban compliance.
my take is Trump was too scared to withdraw from the conflict. If he won a second term in 2020 we would still be at war in Afghanistan today.
There was very little conflict left at that point for US troops. The Afghans were doing the brunt of the fighting and dying. At that point the remaing troops were largely providing air support for ops that needed it. As for some troops possibly still remaining if trump had been re-elected, that's entirely possible as we still maintain some troops in Iraq to this day. Are you not aware of that? The plan was not supposed to be just turning things over to the Taliban.
 
A phased and orderly withdrawal was already in the works. That's why there were only roughly 2400 troops remaining when the idiot (Biden) took office. And they were not dying. Trump made it clear to the Taliban that any US withdrawal would have been subject to Taliban compliance.
Now please tell us how Trump would have handled the last 2400 troops withdrawal without the possibility of one terrorist blowing themselves up in a crowd which had some military personal nearby.
There was very little conflict left at that point for US troops. The Afghans were doing the brunt of the fighting and dying. At that point the remaing troops were largely providing air support for ops that needed it. As for some troops possibly still remaining if trump had been re-elected, that's entirely possible as we still maintain some troops in Iraq to this day. Are you not aware of that? The plan was not supposed to be just turning things over to the Taliban.
Thanks for supporting my point if Trump had a second term the war in Afghanistan would continue and the US would still have a ground presence.
President Trump told us he would end the war and bring all troops home.

I am aware of the troops in Iraq and other places in the middle east.

Trump did not involve the Afghan government with the treaty. That is one reason the Afghan government fell to the Taliban
 
I imagine they'll try to explain it in the same way idiot extraordinaire Ron Johnson explains how Walz's 2-week trip to China as a teacher of 2nd language back in the 80's was as an undercover agent for the Chinese government who sent him back to American to spy on the Americans by getting appointed as assistant coach for 20 years and then waiting to get picked by Harris as her VP running mate so they could get into office and and turn America into a vassel state for the Chinese regime. Yep, makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
It makes perfect sense. I'm sure the MAGA's could also tell me: "How many chocolate chip cookies it takes to shingle a red brick house".
 
Well, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Trump left Biden a "big ole" bowl of chicken shit. Much like the make-up of the "Great negotiator" himself.
hardly. there was nothing wrong with the initial plan.
 
It is MAGA Republicans we are talking about, all they have is blame, no matter the subject and all without evidence.

By the end of September odds are they will brand Harris the "Afghanistan Exit Czar" as well.
no but she was the "last one in the room" , along with being responsible for the border.
 
hardly. there was nothing wrong with the initial plan.
Really. I guess freeing five thousand terrorists is always a great! idea.....lmao
Especially if a few of them decide to set off a few bombs at an airport.
 
no but she was the "last one in the room" , along with being responsible for the border.
Still clinging to the made up "Border Czar" garbage, eh?
Then again, since you openly and proudly support a CONVICTED fraudster and sex offender, I guess you have to come up with something.
 
Now please tell us how Trump would have handled the last 2400 troops withdrawal without the possibility of one terrorist blowing themselves up in a crowd which had some military personal nearby.
Once again, Trump let it be known that an American withdrawal would be subject to Taliban compliance.
Thanks for supporting my point if Trump had a second term the war in Afghanistan would continue and the US would still have a ground presence.
Likely outcome would hve been an end to the war with a small contingent of troops left behind, just like in Iraq.
President Trump told us he would end the war and bring all troops home.
And he may have given a second term.
I am aware of the troops in Iraq and other places in the middle east.
And that we are not at war in Iraq and other places in the middle east, right?
Trump did not involve the Afghan government with the treaty. That is one reason the Afghan government fell to the Taliban
The Afghan government fell to the taliban because Biden just pulled up stakes immediately and left. if you want to claim the Afgghans were not prepared to handle the Taliban after we left, that's fiar, however that blame can be shared by three administrations. Biden made it worse by just pulling up stakes abruptly. the Taliban took advantage.
 
Once again, Trump let it be known that an American withdrawal would be subject to Taliban compliance.

Likely outcome would hve been an end to the war with a small contingent of troops left behind, just like in Iraq.

And he may have given a second term.

And that we are not at war in Iraq and other places in the middle east, right?

The Afghan government fell to the taliban because Biden just pulled up stakes immediately and left. if you want to claim the Afgghans were not prepared to handle the Taliban after we left, that's fiar, however that blame can be shared by three administrations. Biden made it worse by just pulling up stakes abruptly. the Taliban took advantage.
Trump owns a piece of the withdrawal. Especially if you consider the possibility that one or more of the bombers could have been freed BY TRUMP.
In reality, I am just waiting to see if there is a DP MAGA member with enough character to admit to it. Sadly, I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
B.S. Under Trump we had a small contingent of troops left on one base giving air support to the Afghan troops when needed.
Trump withdrew troops to only leave 2,500 from 13,000. Given what was going on regarding the Taliban's advances, how was that leaving the right kind of support?

And the Taliban feared that Trump would enforce the agreement.
Why would they since the former administration did nothing prior to enforce the agreement? Part of the condition was for the Taliban to negotiate a ceasefire with the Afghan government, but instead they resumed their offensive.

Biden could have withdrawn in an orderly manner like we have done everywhere else, with a SOFA agreement, however he instead instructed a mad dash immediate withdrawal of all US troops, leaving behind, millions in high tech vehicles, aircraft, and weapons. He did not even give our allies advance notice.
How was it a "mad dash" when the withdrawal date was announced months ahead of it? The allies knew the date, as did the Afghan government. The bulk of the equipment the Taliban seized were the ones belonging to the Afghan government, because they were left for them.
 
Trump owns a piece of the withdrawal. Especially if you consider the possibility that one or more of the bombers could have been freed BY TRUMP.
In reality, I am just waiting to see if there is a DP MAGA member with enough character to admit to it. Sadly, I'm not going to hold my breath.
You are not making alot of sense. Trump shares ownership in the concept of a US withdrawal of forces from Afghanistan, however he has no ownership in the chaotic withdrawal that Biden ordered. Given an immediate second term, it's quite doubtful that Trump would have handled it that badly. He would have first made sure all American civilians were evacuated, as well as many Afghan personell who assisted the US. And he would have ordered an organized dismantling of Bagram Air Force base rather then leaving it to the Taliban. And as a last move, he would have staged an orderly withdrawal of troops. You can yammer on and suggest that trump would have went for a mad dash like Biden did, however no objective individual will take you too seriously.
 
Once again, Trump let it be known that an American withdrawal would be subject to Taliban compliance.
So why was he pushing for a May 1st withdrawal when none of the terms of the agreement was being followed by the Taliban.

Likely outcome would hve been an end to the war with a small contingent of troops left behind, just like in Iraq.
Not the way things were playing out on the ground. The Taliban were moving in on Kabul, and it was clear they were not interested in sharing control of power as outlined in the Doha Agreement.

And he may have given a second term.
Based on that alone? Probably not.

The Afghan government fell to the taliban because Biden just pulled up stakes immediately and left. if you want to claim the Afgghans were not prepared to handle the Taliban after we left, that's fiar, however that blame can be shared by three administrations. Biden made it worse by just pulling up stakes abruptly. the Taliban took advantage.
But that's exactly what Trump was going to do, and he was advocating for an even earlier withdrawal than Biden. Nothing on the ground prior to May 1st indicated there would have been a different scenario than what played out. The Taliban were not going to share power with the Afghan government, and were continuing their advance throughout the country. The Afghan government fell because without the US it was apparent to them everything would collapse.
 
Still clinging to the made up "Border Czar" garbage, eh?
Then again, since you openly and proudly support a CONVICTED fraudster and sex offender, I guess you have to come up with something.
I am not clinging to anything. Biden said she was responsible for stemming the tide of illegal immigration back when HE ASSIGNED IT TO HER.
 
Trump withdrew troops to only leave 2,500 from 13,000. Given what was going on regarding the Taliban's advances, how was that leaving the right kind of support?
By the time the troops were down to around 2500, they were primarily just providing iar support to Afghan ops when requested.
Why would they since the former administration did nothing prior to enforce the agreement? Part of the condition was for the Taliban to negotiate a ceasefire with the Afghan government, but instead they resumed their offensive.
Trump probably did not expect Biden to **** it up so badly and he likely expected an immediate second term. Had that occured and he had ****ed it up similarly, then you would have a point.
How was it a "mad dash" when the withdrawal date was announced months ahead of it? The allies knew the date, as did the Afghan government. The bulk of the equipment the Taliban seized were the ones belonging to the Afghan government, because they were left for them.
BS. Biden's own military advisors warned him against the hasty withdrawal. he would not listen.
 
I am not clinging to anything. Biden said she was responsible for stemming the tide of illegal immigration back when HE ASSIGNED IT TO HER.
Well, the bipartisan bill that Trump squashed certainly would have helped. That said, I'm sure you have a convenient excuse as to why that was done. Probably something like, "It was a terrible bill", or something equally ridiculous.
BTW, you skirted my response to your "last one in the room" illogical reference.
 
By the time the troops were down to around 2500, they were primarily just providing iar support to Afghan ops when requested.
Yep, but the Taliban had been advancing well before that. Why did the former administration reduce it that much knowing the Taliban was gaining more ground?

Trump probably did not expect Biden to **** it up so badly and he likely expected an immediate second term. Had that occured and he had ****ed it up similarly, then you would have a point.
It was already going sideways. If you have an agreement that's being violated

BS. Biden's own military advisors warned him against the hasty withdrawal. he would not listen.
There was no hasty withdrawal. It had been planned for months. Military advisors were against the entire withdrawal to begin with. There was no withdrawal from Afghanistan that was not going to feature the Taliban taking over. That was very clear during the former administration's tenure, yet they continued their withdrawal plan.
 
Well, the bipartisan bill that Trump squashed certainly would have helped. That said, I'm sure you have a convenient excuse as to why that was done. Probably something like, "It was a terrible bill", or something equally ridiculous.
BTW, you skirted my response to your "last one in the room" illogical reference.
LOL you mean the comment Kamala harris agreed to? that she was the last one in the room on the afghanistan issue? THAT "illogical reference"?

https://gaetz.house.gov/media/in-th...goes-viral-3rd-anniversary-deadly-afghanistan

perhaps you should read up more on what your heroes actually say.
 
Well, the bipartisan bill that Trump squashed certainly would have helped. That said, I'm sure you have a convenient excuse as to why that was done. Probably something like, "It was a terrible bill", or something equally ridiculous.
BTW, you skirted my response to your "last one in the room" illogical reference.
the only thing that stupid bill did was institutionalize way too much illegal entry, without addressing some other very important solutions. It was worthless.
 
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