Evolution

[mac]

Hahahahaha! I dunno Mac...I might throw something, not sure what. :lol:

Okay, look at the link below. Tell me what the map is saying about human diversity in general.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Spreading_homo_sapiens.jpg

It's illustrating the out of Africa or "African Pump" theory. It doesn't say anything about genetic diversity.

 

[Removable Mind]

It's illustrating the out of Africa or "African Pump" theory. It doesn't say anything about genetic diversity.

UNCLE, Mac...UNCLE...don't hit me anymore...I can't take it! :boohoo:

 

[mac]

UNCLE, Mac...UNCLE...don't hit me anymore...I can't take it! :boohoo:

I'm beggining to think you don't understand something....

Answer this please: Are we more or less genetically diverse than Chimpanzees?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Homo sapiens is not a very diverse species.
That is due to the fact that we haven't been around very long, and that the human population was quite small at one time.

It has nothing to do with chimpanzees.
It has nothing to do with apes.
It has everything to do with starting from a small population, then not having a lot of time to diversify.

It's really very simple.

 

[mac]

Homo sapiens is not a very diverse species.
That is due to the fact that we haven't been around very long, and that the human population was quite small at one time.

It has nothing to do with chimpanzees.
It has nothing to do with apes.
It has everything to do with starting from a small population, then not having a lot of time to diversify.

It's really very simple.

No, not really. I've told you why. Even pointing out extra-species contributions to the gene-pool. Your explanations simply don't account for the close genetic relation to Chimpanzee while being far more genetically homogeneous despite supposedly advancing through several species since the split with Chimpanzee. That dawg don't hunt.

 

[Removable Mind]

I'm beggining to think you don't understand something....

Answer this please: Are we more or less genetically diverse than Chimpanzees?

Okayyyy, Mac...just this once and then I'm not playing anymore. :doh

ScienceDaily (Nov. 8, 1999) — Washington D.C. - A new study suggests that chimpanzee subspecies may be more genetically variable than humans and also more closely related to each other--two findings that conflict with some earlier research on chimpanzee genetic diversity.

And then the article ends with...

"The question will be: are we or the chimps exceptional among the great apes?"

Okay...stepping up...

Orangutan DNA More Diverse Than Human's, Remarkably Stable Through the Ages

Moving on...

Because only a few of these ancient groups survived, humans are much less genetically diverse than other primates, even though there are many more of us on the planet."

http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi...009/108/2?etoc

HAPPY MAC? Are ya, huh, huh?

 

[mac]

Okayyyy, Mac...just this once and then I'm not playing anymore. :doh

And then the article ends with...

Okay...stepping up...

Moving on...

HAPPY MAC? Are ya, huh, huh?

Ok, then you understand that.....now, why do you think the map you provided says something about why we are less genetically diverse than Chimpanzees? Your link is broken, by the way....

 

[Removable Mind]

Ok, then you understand that.....now, why do you think the map you provided says something about why we are less genetically diverse than Chimpanzees?

I know, Mac...I do. The map was a flow chart only. It had nothing to do with delineating genetic diversity. It doesn't even have anything to do with any other primates than human. How's that?

You've beat me into submission. I'm dead. :smash:

 

[AGENT J]

OK here my opinion on the OP and just evolution in general.

Evolution exists PERIOD, if you dont believe that you are an absolute moron and an idiot who is in denial and borderline retard.

Now with that said if you want to debate what evolution is responsible for, we came from monkey, monkey are a branch from us etc etc have at it. but it still exists.

Also the fact that evolution is real and exists does not mean there is no god. I totally believe in a higher power and in evolution. I believe god gave me a brain for a reason, he wants me to use it! Its obvious parts of religion are STORIES and FICTION and FABLE but that doesnt mean they dont have merit or arent real.

 

[Removable Mind]

OK here my opinion on the OP and just evolution in general.

Evolution exists PERIOD, if you dont believe that you are an absolute moron and an idiot who is in denial and borderline retard.

Now with that said if you want to debate what evolution is responsible for, we came from monkey, monkey are a branch from us etc etc have at it. but it still exists.

Also the fact that evolution is real and exists does not mean there is no god. I totally believe in a higher power and in evolution. I believe god gave me a brain for a reason, he wants me to use it! Its obvious parts of religion are STORIES and FICTION and FABLE but that doesnt mean they dont have merit or arent real.

In other words: Just because I made it up doesn't mean it's not true?

I'm an 'evolutionist'. I have no clue about a deist's involvement. It's impossible for me to mix the two theories together...at all. But, that's just me. Can't speak for others.

 

[majora$$hole]

OK here my opinion on the OP and just evolution in general.

Evolution exists PERIOD, if you dont believe that you are an absolute moron and an idiot who is in denial and borderline retard.

Now with that said if you want to debate what evolution is responsible for, we came from monkey, monkey are a branch from us etc etc have at it. but it still exists.

Also the fact that evolution is real and exists does not mean there is no god. I totally believe in a higher power and in evolution. I believe god gave me a brain for a reason, he wants me to use it! Its obvious parts of religion are STORIES and FICTION and FABLE but that doesnt mean they dont have merit or arent real.

i believe they answer two very different questions.

 

[Dittohead not!]

i believe they answer two very different questions.

Yes, two very different questions. Evolution is science. The concept of god is religion and philosophy. There is no conflict any more than there is conflict between the science behind how an airplane flies and the concept of existentialism. The two are totally different.

 

[scourge99]

Yes, two very different questions. Evolution is science. The concept of god is religion and philosophy. There is no conflict any more than there is conflict between the science behind how an airplane flies and the concept of existentialism. The two are totally different.

Except religions often stray into the realm of science by making claims about reality: E.G., that people can rise from the dead, calm storms on command, walk on water, heal serious disease or blindness by touch, etc.

In relation to this discussion the Bible tells a story about creation and diversity of life that is INCOMPATIBLE with the evidence.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Except religions often stray into the realm of science by making claims about reality: E.G., that people can rise from the dead, calm storms on command, walk on water, heal serious disease or blindness by touch, etc.

In relation to this discussion the Bible tells a story about creation and diversity of life that is INCOMPATIBLE with the evidence.

Yes, which means that such stories in the Bible are just that, stories. It is quite astounding that anyone in the 21st. century believes that they are anything else.

 

[Cephus]

Yes, which means that such stories in the Bible are just that, stories. It is quite astounding that anyone in the 21st. century believes that they are anything else.

But unfortunately, many do. There are some good ideas in the Bible, but like any other book of mythology, it's important to separate the good ideas from the ridiculous stories.

 

[Dittohead not!]

But unfortunately, many do. There are some good ideas in the Bible, but like any other book of mythology, it's important to separate the good ideas from the ridiculous stories.

There are some wonderful things in the Bible, including instructions for how we should treat each other. There are fables that illustrate a principle: Be prepared for emergencies and listen to the "prophets", illustrated by the Noah story. There are some accounts of historical events, many embellished by decades of retelling, but still giving some clues of ancient history. There are stories and accounts that are so warped by mistranslations and misinterpretations as to be worthless, like the injunction about sowing two crops in the same field, or wearing cloth of two fibers, for example.

The Bible is a collection of ancient writings spanning centuries and gathered from many cultures and languages. What it is not is a book of instructions written by god and intended to be taken as literal accounts of historical events.

 

[Cephus]

There are some wonderful things in the Bible, including instructions for how we should treat each other. There are fables that illustrate a principle: Be prepared for emergencies and listen to the "prophets", illustrated by the Noah story. There are some accounts of historical events, many embellished by decades of retelling, but still giving some clues of ancient history. There are stories and accounts that are so warped by mistranslations and misinterpretations as to be worthless, like the injunction about sowing two crops in the same field, or wearing cloth of two fibers, for example.

The Bible is a collection of ancient writings spanning centuries and gathered from many cultures and languages. What it is not is a book of instructions written by god and intended to be taken as literal accounts of historical events.

Tell that to the loony fundamentalists.

 

[AGENT J]

In other words: Just because I made it up doesn't mean it's not true?

I'm an 'evolutionist'. I have no clue about a deist's involvement. It's impossible for me to mix the two theories together...at all. But, that's just me. Can't speak for others.

no clue what you are referring to in the bolded so please explain, i personally made nothing up.

 

[Removable Mind]

If there had NEVER been a bible or the like. The human race, with all of its survival mechanisms, would have established very common sense rule and laws intended to reduce behaviors that conflicted with those that promote as much civility as possible.

 

[AGENT J]

If there had NEVER been a bible or the like. The human race, with all of its survival mechanisms, would have established very common sense rule and laws intended to reduce behaviors that conflicted with those that promote as much civility as possible.

Well I hope you dont think I disagree with this statement because I do not. I think our history would have been drastically different but I agree one way or another we would have come to some type of civility. At least as much as there is now, if not more