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Evolution or not?

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watsup said:
Let’s see. The imperfect animal nature of Homo sapiens or an invisible ghost and his henchmen running around the world trying to get men to do evil. Which one?
I’ve made my choice.
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Why do you describe man as "imperfect"? what is perfect?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Yet we are also told that none can resist the will of God, God's will is supreme - so how can Satan act in a way that resists the will of God? He cannot, so therefore whatever Satan does, however Satan acts, he is always acting in accordance with God's will.
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Sure you can resist His will...the whole world does...1 John 5:19...God will not tolerate that resistance forever...He has a time limit...

Satan is God's adversary/enemy, as well as humans...He works against God's will...

"Keep your senses, be watchful! Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone." 1 Peter 5:8
 
watsup said:
Let’s see. The imperfect animal nature of Homo sapiens or an invisible ghost and his henchmen running around the world trying to get men to do evil. Which one?
I’ve made my choice.
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So have I...;)
 
watsup said:
The materials and processes that were needed for evolution were present at the Big Bang.
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Where did the materials and processes come from?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Why do you describe man as "imperfect"? what is perfect?
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Good to see you on the Evolution or Not thread. You had previously implied that evolution was not the manner in which life on this planet has come to its present form, so we are awaiting a more in-depth discussion of that opinion by you.
 
Elvira said:
Where did the materials and processes come from?
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We don’t know that yet. That doesn’t mean that we throw up our hands and say GOD DID IT as humans have done for thousands of years when thy did not understand a natural process. We keep looking, just like we always have. It’s called science.
 
Elvira said:
Sure you can resist His will...the whole world does...1 John 5:19...God will not tolerate that resistance forever...He has a time limit...

Satan is God's adversary/enemy, as well as humans...He works against God's will...

"Keep your senses, be watchful! Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone." 1 Peter 5:8
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1 John 5:19 does not say we can resist God's will Elvira, go and read it.

It says the world is under the power of the "evil one" and under the power of "wickedness" it does not say that we can resist God's will, go and read it, it does not say what you claim.

Romans 9:18

Romans 9:18 said:
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
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Romans 9:19

Romans 9:19 said:
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
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There it is God who makes us as we are, he makes us good or evil as he sees fit when he sees fit, we cannot resist God's will - this seems like a paradox at first but it is not.

Romans is asking why God blames us when it is he who made us as we are? and the answer is "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’" - he does as he sees fit.

You'll never agree with me though because you cannot bring yourself to disagree with your church's doctrine, this is why human created religious organisations are bad, they do your thinking for you, you delegate responsibility for what you believe to their leadership, but all in good time.
 
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watsup said:
We don’t know that yet. That doesn’t mean that we throw up our hands and say GOD DID IT as humans have done for thousands of years when thy did not understand a natural process. We keep looking, just like we always have. It’s called science.
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You like so many atheists keep telling yourself that we can eventually explain this scientifically, but that's logically impossible but your fear prevents you from admitting this, you'll quite happily continue to delude yourself because comfort is what you seek not truth.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
1 John 5:19 does not say we can resist God's will Elvira, go and read it.

It says the world is under the power of the "evil one" and under the power of "wickedness" it does not say that we can resist God's will, go and read it, it does not say what you claim.

Romans 9:18



Romans 9:19



There it is God who makes us as we are, he makes us good or evil as he sees fit when he sees fit.

Romans is asking why God blames us when it is he who made us as we are? and the answer is "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’" - he does as he sees fit.

You'll never agree with me though because you cannot bring yourself to disagree with your church's doctrine, this is why human created religious organisations are bad, they do your thinking for you, you delegate responsibility for what you believe to their leadership, but all in good time.
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If no one was able to resist God's will, we would still be living in Paradise, without free will...
 
Elvira said:
If no one was able to resist God's will, we would still be living in Paradise, without free will...
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This is your human reasoning not scripture, not God's word - do you believe God's word or trust your own human reasoning?

Read the rest of Romans 9:

Romans 9:22 said:
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory — even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
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See? we experience wrath before mercy, we experience wrath in order to experience mercy, which reveals to us God's riches, each of us goes through wrath (conversion, gradual destruction ("prepared for destruction") of our old self) in order to receive mercy (eternal life).
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
This is your human reasoning not scripture, not God's word - do you believe God's word or trust your own human reasoning?

Read the rest of Romans 9:



See? we experience wrath before mercy, we experience wrath in order to experience mercy, which reveals to us God's riches, each of us goes through wrath (conversion, gradual destruction ("prepared for destruction") of our old self) in order to receive mercy (eternal life).
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That is the reality of scripture...you are distorting it to mean what you want it to mean, instead of the truth of what Paul is saying...Paul is referring to Christians directly, no one else...tn the context of Romans 9:21-23, God’s refraining from bringing immediate destruction on wicked people...vessels of wrath...serves to spare rightly disposed ones because it gives them time to be molded as “vessels of mercy"...Romans 9:23....
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
You like so many atheists keep telling yourself that we can eventually explain this scientifically, but that's logically impossible but your fear prevents you from admitting this, you'll quite happily continue to delude yourself because comfort is what you seek not truth.
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Point proven re: “we can’t explain this, so there MUST be a God!”
 
watsup said:
Point proven re: “we can’t explain this, so there MUST be a God!”
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We keep getting back to 'god exists because god must exist'. Surely even a believer can see the problem with that argument?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
This is your human reasoning not scripture, not God's word - do you believe God's word or trust your own human reasoning?

Read the rest of Romans 9:

See? we experience wrath before mercy, we experience wrath in order to experience mercy, which reveals to us God's riches, each of us goes through wrath (conversion, gradual destruction ("prepared for destruction") of our old self) in order to receive mercy (eternal life).
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That's all fine and good, but this is the evolution thread, so we keep wondering if you would expand on your prior negative comments towards evolution and why you apparently find it unconvincing as the manner in which life has come to its present form on this planet. Thanks in advance.
 
Elvira said:
That is the reality of scripture...you are distorting it to mean what you want it to mean, instead of the truth of what Paul is saying...Paul is referring to Christians directly, no one else...tn the context of Romans 9:21-23, God’s refraining from bringing immediate destruction on wicked people...vessels of wrath...serves to spare rightly disposed ones because it gives them time to be molded as “vessels of mercy"...Romans 9:23....
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What did I "distort"?
 
And how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
 
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