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Evil JD Vance doesn't care how many citizens of other countries we murder OR committing war crimes.

anatta said:
abcnews.go.com

White House grounds for strike on alleged drug boat is a murky legal issue

Experts suggest the use of military force against drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations is legally murky.
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"Interdiction doesn't work," Rubio said Wednesday. "What will stop them is when you blow them up, when you get rid of them."

Rubio said the vessel was operating in international waters and said the administration relied on intelligence mechanisms used in similar previous operations to determine that the vessel would eventually head towards the United States.

"So, the same information and the same intelligence mechanisms with maybe a higher focus was used to determine that a drug boat was headed towards, eventually, the United States, and instead of interdicting it, on the president's orders, we blew it up," Rubio said.
"We're not going to sit back anymore and watch these people sail up and down the Caribbean like a cruise ship. It's not going to happen."
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I don’t understand why they think we should believe them.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
When are we going to learn to pick our battles? This is not the hill to die on. If you ask the average voter whether they think a drug runner should get due process or we should just take them out, a solid majority is going to side with taking them out. This is exactly the battle MAGA wants to have because it’s a winner for them.
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If the question is framed in a way like does spending millions of dollars to blow up a random speedboat that might be carrying drugs… we don’t actually know if it was or not… in international waters makes you feel safer… we might see different answers.
 
anatta said:
so dont. if you ever heard of signature strike this is the same but with more clarity by method. mode and audio intercept
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One of the administrations opening moves was to declare that autism awareness tattoos means that someone was in a gang and that allowed them to send people to CECOT.

So believing that a random speedboat off the coast of Venezuela heading to Trinidad was a mortal danger to US citizens is kind of a stretch.
 
Jezcoe said:
One of the administrations opening moves was to declare that autism awareness tattoos means that someone was in a gang and that allowed them to send people to CECOT.

So believing that a random speedboat off the coast of Venezuela heading to Trinidad was a mortal danger to US citizens is kind of a stretch.
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you'd have to show an autism tat is part of the Alien Enemy Validation Guide. I dont see it
anatta

Thread 'Alien Enemies Act: Alien Enemy Validation Guide'

www.newsweek.com

ICE using 'points system' to identify migrant gang members: What to know

A form used by federal agents to determine Tren de Aragua membership was filed in court by the ACLU.
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Among the filings from the ACLU submitted Friday was "Exhibit S," which included a form entitled "Alien Enemies Act: Alien Enemy Validation Guide," which is allegedly being used by federal agents to determine whether an immigrant is a TdA member.

Agents must determine whether an individual is over 14 years of age, is not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, and is a citizen of Venezuela. If any of these are not true, an immigrant cannot be deported under the AEA.

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NOLA Dude said:
Comparing what different Presidents did isn't deflection. You just don't want to hear about it.
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Congress passed a bill allowing Bush and Obama to target supporters of Al-Qaeda.

No bill was passed allowing Trump to kill any supporters.
 
anatta said:
you'd have to show an autism tat is part of the Alien Enemy Validation Guide. I dont see it
anatta

Thread 'Alien Enemies Act: Alien Enemy Validation Guide'

www.newsweek.com

ICE using 'points system' to identify migrant gang members: What to know

A form used by federal agents to determine Tren de Aragua membership was filed in court by the ACLU.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
Among the filings from the ACLU submitted Friday was "Exhibit S," which included a form entitled "Alien Enemies Act: Alien Enemy Validation Guide," which is allegedly being used by federal agents to determine whether an immigrant is a TdA member.

Agents must determine whether an individual is over 14 years of age, is not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, and is a citizen of Venezuela. If any of these are not true, an immigrant cannot be deported under the AEA.

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Neither is being a good baker… but they sent Neri Jose Alvarado Borges to CECOT after they determined him to be a gang member…. Without due process.

He had autism awareness tattoos.
 
Tangmo said:
For the umptheenth time cartels are not included in the law defining terrorism and saying what it is. Not in any law. It isn't codified anywhere.
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the AUMF gives POTUS the power to designate foreign terrorist organizations.. Once the designation is given the criteria
includes endangering civilian life ( dope smugglers).There is no law defining terrorism -

AI
Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of terrorism, and governments have been reluctant to formulate an agreed-upon legally-binding definition. Difficulties arise from the fact that the term has become politically and emotionally charged.
 
Jezcoe said:
Neither is being a good baker… but they sent Neri Jose Alvarado Borges to CECOT after they determined him to be a gang member…. Without due process.

He had autism awareness tattoos.
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no other tats? I dont know if that is a TdA marker or not. But that would be 4 points on the Guide.. takes 8 to be ID'd by the Alien Enemy Validation Guide

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anatta said:
no other tats? I dont know if that is a TdA marker or not. But that would be 4 points on the Guide.. takes 8 to be ID'd by the Alien Enemy Validation Guide

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Wearing something from a random sports team counts for four points and gets you to eight.

A tattoo and a sportsball cap.

Remember… Kilmer Garcia liked the Chicago Bulls and that was determined by ICE to be some proof of gang affiliation.

The government used incredibly flimsy evidence to send a whole bunch of innocent people to CECOT… why should I trust that they have better standards when blowing up speedboats heading to Trinidad?
 
anatta said:
the AUMF gives POTUS the power to designate foreign terrorist organizations.. Once the designation is given the criteria
includes endangering civilian life ( dope smugglers).There is no law defining terrorism -

AI
Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of terrorism, and governments have been reluctant to formulate an agreed-upon legally-binding definition. Difficulties arise from the fact that the term has become politically and emotionally charged.
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In the US Code of Laws of by and for the United States, the 9/11 Resolution on the Use of Force defines terrorism. Cartels are not included. Nowhere in the USC are cartels identified as terrorist organizations. They do not meet the definition.

It is Trump's labels and labeling in his EO's, vs the USC and the 9/11 Resolution on the Use of Force RUOF, that is not law. Trump's labels and labeling are not law. You guys need to hang up your spikes on this, once and for all.
 
I like this "Proof? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING PROOF!" thing.

It would make my job much easier.
 
Tangmo said:
In the US Code of Laws of by and for the United States, the 9/11 Resolution on the Use of Force defines terrorism. Cartels are not included. Nowhere in the USC are cartels identified as terrorist organizations. They do not meet the definition.

It is Trump's labels and labeling in his EO's, vs the USC and the 9/11 Resolution on the Use of Force RUOF, that is not law. Trump's labels and labeling are not law. You guys need to hang up your spikes on this, once and for all.
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ROFL . Was "Kinetic military action" against Libya defined in the AUMF? droning Syria for chem weapons? what do these have to do with 9-11?
every POTUS has expanded and relied on the AUMF because Congress allows it. Maduro has been charged with Narco-Terrorism, Corruption, Drug Trafficking and Other Criminal Charges.

If you dont like the executive power you can always get Congress to re-define the AUMF. Absent that it's the controlling authority just like it was for regime change in Libya, stationing troops in Syria etc. And now declaring TdA as a FTO allows them to fall under the same
 
Jezcoe said:
Wearing something from a random sports team counts for four points and gets you to eight.

A tattoo and a sportsball cap.

Remember… Kilmer Garcia liked the Chicago Bulls and that was determined by ICE to be some proof of gang affiliation.

The government used incredibly flimsy evidence to send a whole bunch of innocent people to CECOT… why should I trust that they have better standards when blowing up speedboats heading to Trinidad?
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Garcia was already found deportable. I imagine he had more then 8 points. The tat has to be one as a marker for TdA
And the reason they were sent was the Alien Enemies Act - that's the field guide. I think it's suspended now however

recall the go fast boat had verbal intercepts, bundles seen on board, left Venez from a known launch point.
And 4 engines - which isn't for anything but smuggling
 
anatta said:
Garcia was already found deportable. I imagine he had more then 8 points. The tat has to be one as a marker for TdA
And the reason they were sent was the Alien Enemies Act - that's the field guide. I think it's suspended now however

recall the go fast boat had verbal intercepts, bundles seen on board, left Venez from a known launch point.
And 4 engines - which isn't for anything but smuggling
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None of this shit would be an issue if you MAGAs would FOLLOW THE LAW regarding people who are suspected of breaking the law.

Does anyone even get the irony????
 
anatta said:
Garcia was already found deportable. I imagine he had more then 8 points. The tat has to be one as a marker for TdA
And the reason they were sent was the Alien Enemies Act - that's the field guide. I think it's suspended now however
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The determination that he was in a gang should be imprisoned in CECOT at the behest of the US government was incredibly flimsy.

Non existent even.


anatta said:
recall the go fast boat had verbal intercepts, bundles seen on board, left Venez from a known launch point.
And 4 engines - which isn't for anything but smuggling
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Once again…. Given that they sent innocent people to a foreign torture prison… why should I trust their assessment this time?
 
Jezcoe said:
The determination that he was in a gang should be imprisoned in CECOT at the behest of the US government was incredibly flimsy.

Non existent even.
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he was already ruled deportable
Jezcoe said:
Once again…. Given that they sent innocent people to a foreign torture prison… why should I trust their assessment this time?
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like i said - so don't. But buckle up because the ride is gonna get harder and faster. yu are going to see a real drug war
 
anatta said:
he was already ruled deportable
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How was it determined that he should be sent off to a foreign torture prison to be held at the behest of the US Government?

Like Andry José Hernandez. He entered the US legally using the CPB One app. He was being held in custody awaiting his asylum hearing. Then ICE determined that this gay hairdresser was a gang member and sent him to CECOT.

How can we be assured that the determination of blowing up speedboats is any better than that?
anatta said:
like i said - so don't. But buckle up because the ride is gonna get harder and faster. yu are going to see a real drug war
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We are going to see the US taking further illegal actions in the name of the drug war.

And it isn’t going to make Americans safer.
 
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