"Every child, every baby in Gaza is the enemy. The enemy is not Hamas." - Israeli Politician

[oneworld2]

Weep?
And again, it’s not a link to the actual poll.
I’m in the middle of a power outage so I can do this all day.

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Well it's become pretty obvious that you don't want to believe it despite people taking the time to translate some of the Haaretz article that addressed the very point you claim people might be making up.

Obviously even your power source has decided it doesn't want to waste it's time on you, can't say as I blame it tbh.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Well it's become pretty obvious that you don't want to believe it despite people taking the time to translate some of the Haaretz article that addressed the very point you claim people might be making up.

Obviously even your power source has decided it doesn't want to waste it's time on you, can't say as I blame it tbh.

No, it does not. It reports something without corroboration.
If the notion that "kill all the children and babies in Gaza" is a common belief in Israel surely you should be able to find another source to confirm it.

 

[oneworld2]

No, it does not. It reports something without corroboration.
If the notion that "kill all the children and babies in Gaza" is as common a belief in Israel, surely you should be able to find another source to confirm it.

If you are a Haaretz reader, which I seriously doubt by now, not a subscribed one at any rate, you would know that trying to find other outlets in Israel covering the same content in the same way is an exercise in futility.

Forget the western MSM.

You were provided with other sources, you rejected them. You know it's behind a paywall and so the " corroboration" will be found later in the article which is? behind the paywall.

Everyone is citing Haaretz, they are all lying, even Haaretz because they don't allow you to see the corroboration without you having to pay.

Stay in your denialist bubble, it's obviously a safe space for you.

 

[lynnwinslow]

If you are a Haaretz reader, which I seriously doubt by now, not a subscribed one at any rate, you would know that trying to find other outlets in Israel covering the same content in the same way is an exercise in futility.

Forget the western MSM.

You were provided with other sources, you rejected them. You know it's behind a paywall and so the " corroboration" will be found later in the article which is? behind the paywall.

Everyone is citing Haaretz, they are all lying, even Haaretz because they don't allow you to see the corroboration without you having to pay.

Stay in your denialist bubble, it's obviously a safe space for you.

And again, if "kill all the babies and children in Gaza" sentiment is as ubiquitous as you claim, you should easily able to find another source. Wouldn't you expect the same from another poster?

 

[Pyrite]

Reporter: "So what do we do, kill all children?"

Politician: "Yes, yes. It's not dichotomous. That's reality."

Mainstream political rhetoric coming to you from the only Liberal Democracy in the Middle East.

Spin that for me.

This kind of extremism sounds all too familiar.

In my long-ago psych classes, I was fascinated by the generalization that those who are subjected to abuse tend to identify with either the abuser (the one who wields power) or with the victim (the one who is powerless).

The more I learn about the Government of Israel's interactions with Palestinians, the more I am reminded of this generalization.

 

[Pyrite]

Yet more propaganda attempting to take the words of the most fringe extremists there are and trying to assign blame to an entire nation rightfully defending its citizens.
Anti-Israeli propagandists here used to have to work hard now all they do is spam random Youtube videos.

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At this point, after nearly 54,000 dead Palestinians are paying the price for the killings/hostage-taking of nearly 1,500 Israelis, it's difficult to understand how the Israeli Government is "defending its citizens".

 

[Craig234]

In a pew poll from a year ago showed that over 2 in every 3 people in Israel thought the genocidal attack on Gaza was about right or not violent enough and less tan 1 in 5 thought it had gone too far.

IIRC it was over 90% who said about right or not far enough, and fewer than 5% who said too much.

 

[oneworld2]

IIRC it was over 90% who said about right or not far enough, and fewer than 5% who said too much.

Nah mate, it was 73% that said it was about right or not enough with 19% saying it was too much

1. Views of the Israel-Hamas war

Majorities in Israel view Netanyahu negatively and worry about the length and spread of the war. Views of Israel’s military response in Gaza are more divided.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Apocalypse]

Post #15


At this point, after nearly 54,000 dead Palestinians are paying the price for the killings/hostage-taking of nearly 1,500 Israelis, it's difficult to understand how the Israeli Government is "defending its citizens".

Terrorists Israel targeted and died were the targets, civilians dying (nobody has an idea what the current ratio is) is tragic but the responsibility is on Hamas hiding behind them and using their deaths for propaganda. Israel has every right to defend itself and after October 7 its intention is to ensure Hamas is destroyed. That's legitimate and justified and actually doesn't even require an explanation. And it's a fact that Israel works to minimize civilian casualties. More than the US and its allies did in Iraq and Afghanistan actually.

 

[Craig234]

Nah mate, it was 73% that said it was about right or not enough with 19% saying it was too much

I'd seen earlier polling. It's good to see at least a small shift in the right direction. I'd seen in an earlier poll as I said then, "1.8% who say too much violence is being used, 4.2% who are unsure, a majority saying the right amount and the rest saying too little firepower."

 

[oneworld2]

Terrorists Israel targeted and died were the targets, civilians dying (nobody has an idea what the current ratio is) is tragic but the responsibility is on Hamas hiding behind them

You don't target anyone in particular when you stop all food, fuel. meds, water, so your claim is just obvious propaganda in service to a genocide.

Hamas lives amongst them, not hides behind them and this claim has been debunked by all the HRs groups that have looked into it. Contrast that with the cowardly IDf which does literally hide behind innocent civilians and had it as official army policy.

Once again you have the world turned upside down for propaganda purposes

and using their deaths for propaganda

Oh the irony !!I

. Israel has every right to defend itself

Not from people it is illegally occupying it doesn't. They have the right to use armed force to free themselves, you don't have the right to armed force to enslave , abuse, murder, ethnically cleanse, illegally settle or commit genocide

and after October 7 its intention is to ensure Hamas is destroyed.

How is shooting kids in the head or chest ensuring the destruction of Hamas?

How is knocking off all the food, water, meds, fuel etc ensuring the destruction of Hamas?

How is destroying the healthcare system in Gaza destroying Hamas?

The same with the universities, churches, mosques, schools, clinics, housing etc?

Everyone can see that the EXCUSE is getting rid of Hamas and that the REALITY is the destruction of the means to life in the Strip and the removal of the population

You must think everyone is blind or stupid.

That's legitimate and justified and actually doesn't even require an explanation. And it's a fact that Israel works to minimize civilian casualties. More than the US and its allies did in Iraq and Afghanistan actually.

No it's not and yes it does and the the explanation isn't good enough because everyone knows its lies.

Did those forces stop all of the food, water, fuel and meds to those populations? Nope. Israel has

Does Israel tell people to leave one area only to kill them in the area they were told to go to be safe? yes it does.

Did those countries state a wish to see the population removed, ethnically cleansed, from their countries? No but Israel has.

Your commentary, as always, is built on nothing but atrocity support wrapped up as something else.

 

[Apocalypse]

You don't target anyone in particular when you stop all food, fuel. meds, water, so your claim is just obvious propaganda in service to a genocide.

Siege warfare is legitimate and legal in international law, it is targeting Hamas as the rulers of the territory and as the group that takes control of the resources to remain in power. The agenda to bypass Hamas by distributing aid differently shows Israel has every intention to allow aid to reach civilians instead. Your claims are nonsensical.

Hamas lives amongst them, not hides behind them

Nonsense, it's part of Hamas' agenda to get them killed for propaganda.

Not from people it is illegally occupying it doesn't. They have the right to use armed force to free themselves, you don't have the right to armed force to enslave , abuse, murder, ethnically cleanse, illegally settle or commit genocide

There is no right to murder innocents.

How is shooting kids in the head or chest ensuring the destruction of Hamas?

It's most certainly not, nor is it a thing and there is no such order, it's pure propaganda.

How is destroying the healthcare system in Gaza destroying Hamas?

Hamas makes use of every hospital for its military purposes. They are responsible. Also according to international law.

Everyone can see that the EXCUSE is getting rid of Hamas and that the REALITY is the destruction of the means to life in the Strip and the removal of the population

So much for such destruction that 600 days after the war was started by Hamas we're at the point where there are still over 2 million Gazan civilians in Gaza. Strange how time is not on the side of your racist propaganda isn't it.

Does Israel tell people to leave one area only to kill them in the area they were told to go to be safe?

Obviously not otherwise dropping hundreds of thousands of bombs would have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why would Israel evacuate civilians prior to strikes if its intention was to target civilians? This is too stupid of an argument, and the anti-Israeli agenda is crazy dumb.

 

[oneworld2]

Siege warfare is legitimate and legal in international law, it is targeting Hamas as the rulers of the territory and as the group that takes control of the resources to remain in power. The agenda to bypass Hamas by distributing aid differently shows Israel has every intention to allow aid to reach civilians instead. Your claims are nonsensical.

It is only legal under strict conditions. The withholding of food , meds, fuel, water etc is a grave violation of International Humanitarian Law and makes the siege illegal.

The law isn't your strong suit is it?

 

[oneworld2]

Nonsense, it's part of Hamas' agenda to get them killed for propaganda.

You avoided the point because you know actual human shields are only being used by the cowardly IDF who had it as official army policy

There is no right to murder innocents.

Again another dodge. But neither does Israel and on 7th October they killed many of their own civilians and are currently massacring Palestinian civilians on a daily basis.

You understand there is no claim to self defence from attacks by people you are illegally occupying?

 

[Apocalypse]

You avoided the point because you know actual human shields are only being used by the cowardly IDF who had it as official army policy

Denying Hamas' usage of Gaza's civilians as human shields is idiotic. Even your UN and HRW and the like acknowledge that much.

Again another dodge. But neither does Israel and on 7th October they killed many of their own civilians and are currently massacring Palestinian civilians on a daily basis.

That's a debunked lie.

You understand there is no claim to self defence from attacks by people you are illegally occupying?

There is no right to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people.
That you believe there is makes you no better than the murderers and rapists you support.

 

[Apocalypse]

It is only legal under strict conditions.

Everything in warfare is only legal under certain conditions. There is no indication looking at the facts on the ground that Israel chooses to target civilians by preventing Hamas from gaining resources. In fact there are many indications of the opposite. Such as Israeli-backed aid groups distributing aid to civilians so to prevent Hamas from getting them. Your attempt to claim that this is somehow a violation of international law lacks any actual basis.

The law isn't your strong suit is it?

I just demonstrated the opposite by dismantling your so-called argument yet again.

 

[oneworld2]

Everything in warfare is only legal under certain conditions.

You snipped out the context lol you are losing this hands down hence the dishonest replies

I gave the reason why the siege is illegal, you haven't had the gonads to respond to it. Colour me shocked!!! lol

There is no indication looking at the facts on the ground that Israel chooses to target civilians by preventing Hamas from gaining resources.

What a pathetic cop out. If you stop ALL food, water, meds fuel etc etc you know it will effect everyone in the Strip, to say you aren't targeting them is like saying you fired a tank round at a bee hive but you only intended to kill the queen bee.

Your answers are embarrassing gibberish

. Such as Israeli-backed aid groups distributing aid to civilians so to prevent Hamas from getting them.

The CEO resigned on the first day. All the regular aid organizations have nothing to do with this because they know it's a fraud. It is using food as a weapon to corral Palestinians into areas where they can be hemmed in and overcrowded.

I saw footage of them and it was a disgrace, they shot at the crown due to the shitty organization.

It's a fraud like your moral superiority is a fraud. The light exposes both.

Your attempt to claim that this is somehow a violation of international law lacks any actual basis.

You blocked all the food and water, fuel and meds for months, it's a crime and there's no disputing it.

 

[oneworld2]

I just demonstrated the opposite by dismantling your so-called argument yet again.

I saved this gem of dishonesty for a special treatment post of its own.

You had to clip the part that showed why it's a crime to stop food. water, meds, fuel to try to hide Israeli crimes

The ICC arrest warrant for your genocide heroes states the "use of starvation as a weapon of war ", a crime against humanity, in the list of charges

You don't know what you are talking about OR you do and you are compelled to lie in service to the support for genocide.

 

[Apocalypse]

I gave the reason why the siege is illegal

No you haven't. You threw baseless accusations as usual, hence why you failed.

What a pathetic cop out. If you stop ALL food, water, meds fuel etc etc you know it will effect everyone in the Strip

That's not the criteria for collective punishment. The collective are hurt, but are not punished. As the fact that Israel distributes aid to civilians shows.

The CEO resigned on the first day. All the regular aid organizations have nothing to do with this because they know it's a fraud. It is using food as a weapon to corral Palestinians into areas where they can be hemmed in and overcrowded.

It's handing civilians means to survive which is more than you do by supporting their terrorist oppressors on the internet.

I saw footage of them and it was a disgrace, they shot at the crown due to the shitty organization.

Where?

 

[oneworld2]

No you haven't. You threw baseless accusations as usual, hence why you failed.

Everyone knows the Israeli psychos have been stopping all food, meds, water, fuel etc and the Israeli psychos have told everyone they are doing it.

To claim that mentioning this is engaging in " baseless accusations" is as bizarre and dishonest as it gets.

That's not the criteria for collective punishment. The collective are hurt, but are not punished. As the fact that Israel distributes aid to civilians shows.

I never mentioned collective punishment, that's you trying and failing, using your default dishonest tactics to deflect from what I said.

I said to use starvation as a weapon of war is a crime against international humanitarian law. Are you denying this?