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This was definitely a set-up.To me, it went bad when Vance accused him of never thanking America. That was a flat out lie. He started out yesterday by thanking the WH for the invitation and has thanked the American people 100s of times since all this began.
Vance started the disrespect. If I was Zelenskyy, I would have walked out sooner than he did. Can you explain why Vance feels the need to lie in a setting like this?
Trump has been on a revenge tour with Zelenskyy since his first impeachment. Trump, deep down, does not want to assist Ukraine in any way. This will be used as a further excuse to stop any aid to Ukraine. It was a planned ambush.
"Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge." Kaja Kallas.
I couldn't agree more. America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.
Time for the grown ups to take charge.
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European leaders unite behind Ukraine following Trump-Zelenskyy row
Just hours after Ukraine's president and his US counterpart and vice president argued live on TV on Friday, European leaders voiced their full support for the eastern European country.www.euronews.com
This was definitely a set-up.
The rest of the world thinks the voters in the US are idiots. We elected a con man, sexual abuser, Putin-boot-licker, and criminal to the presidency - not once but twice.Yep, the rest of the world has no idea where they stand now with Trump in charge.
The UK has invited him for a state visit but I can see him cancelling as he's getting on airforce one because there's a huge protest in London and he's offended.
He's just as likely to make a press statement slamming the UK as make one in support.
I guess at the end of the day, those who value ties with their democratic allies in Europe and around the world, should work together to assist Ukraine.
If Trump prefers dictators like Putin, ok. Sad, but it is what it is.
Trump is aligning with Russia. That's a major shift in our foreign policy. That's why this is about Trump.Why is this even about Trump? Nobody is arguing that he's not working hard enough to settle the dispute.
You really have to ask after what the world witnessed yesterday?Why is this even about Trump? Nobody is arguing that he's not working hard enough to settle the dispute.
Ukraine has the right and the option to keep fighting. And all countries who want to support the continuation of the war (their end goal or realistic expectation, I'm not hearing) have the option of continuing, upping, or beginning their support.Ukrainians want to keep defending their country against putin's invasion, occupation, devastation, and brutalization?
Some posters are "proud" of trump's kowtowing to putin?
Neither of these facts surprises me.
I agree that it was planned. It appears that Rubio was left out of the planning, however.Trump has been on a revenge tour with Zelenskyy since his first impeachment. Trump, deep down, does not want to assist Ukraine in any way. This will be used as a further excuse to stop any aid to Ukraine. It was a planned ambush.
Trump wants to end the war in Russia's favour. He wants Ukraine to cede their lands. Trump could have ended the war by siding with Ukraine but for some reason he favours Putin.Trump sees ending the war as the better (and only realistic and reasonable) path. Zelensky is under no obligation to agree with Trump. Trump is not interested in being an enabler to an endless and unwinnable war.
I'll break it down.
Zelensky first questioned Vance about what he knew about negotiations in a disrespectful manner and it devolved from there. Then Zelensky doubled and tripled down by continuously interrupting our president and making smart ass comments.
Liberals, being the dishonest liars they are, leave out the important parts just so they can go into their full throttle TDS frenzy.
They have yet to find ANY new tactics. The old tried (and failed) narratives are very ingrained.I realize you are desperately saying Rebubs are Putinistas - but that is Democratic hogwash
And you heard a LOT of that from them today
I certainly agree.Trump is doing what's best for Ukraine -- Zelensky doesn't understand that.
Trump is trying to end the war ASAP which will save lives. That's the best thing, whether Zelensky recognizes it or not.
Biden was a soft-headed warmonger.
Trump is a tough man of peace.
And Russia second.Well then, stop embarrassing yourself by calling Americans degrading names like Putinites.
We are for America first. Get used to saying that over and over again, and maybe it will eventually sink in.
Simple, side with Ukraine against the invader in the peace talks. Put the screws to Putin instead of Zelenskyy. Stop elevating Putin on the world stage.They have yet to find ANY new tactics. The old tried (and failed) narratives are very ingrained.
One thing you don't see from any of them, is even a suggestion of what they DO think should be worked on in terms of Ukraine - their own plan different from Trump's. They have not one idea or suggestion as to how the war can end or how the war can potentially be won by Ukraine. That might be taken as they just want it to go on as it has been because they've made no other suggestions or offered no other ideas.
You can "want to end the war" but you can't strike a deal with Putin and Zelensky without Putin involved. We're well into this war now with 3 years and over a million lost lives. The usefulness of calling Putin "a dictator who started the war" in the midst of an effort to bring the war to a negotiated end - escapes me.Here's a thought. You can want to end the war AND denounce Putin as a dictator who started the war.
Tag teaming Zelensky who doesn't speak English all that well was petty. And NO, WW3 isn't going to happen. Hyperbole from Trump.
In the context of the post WW2 global order, sure. The problem is Europe's always had a problem working together well, and even under the EU there are always issues between the member countries on this kind of larger strategy. What doesn't help the EU is they are not the military machine the US is, and scaling up to fill that void isn't going to happen overnight. The other factor here is what they can agree upon in actual support for Ukraine, and that will be determined once we're past the rhetoric phase we're in right now.Trump is creating a power and influence vacuum by pulling America into a fetal position on the world stage. Europe would be the best suited to fill it.
It's really odd to me that the American right complains about European government and culture and yet wants to hand over more world influence to them.
Holy shit, that's a delusional take. He was very respectful in answering about 'diplomacy' (NOT negotiations) and related how Putin did not keep his word on anything they agreed upon. He ended with 'how is that diplomacy'?
As far as him interrupting, they didn't even give him a ****ing chance to speak, talking over him almost every time. Like the bullies they are.
Vance crying: You didn't thank us.......whaaaaaa!
When in FACT, he opened the meeting with a thank you.
What was the usefulness in calling Zelenskyy a dictator?You can "want to end the war" but you can't strike a deal with Putin and Zelensky without Putin involved. We're well into this war now with 3 years and over a million lost lives. The usefulness of calling Putin "a dictator who started the war" in the midst of an effort to bring the war to a negotiated end - escapes me.
No. Yesterday will be remembered as the day an American President told the world that he sides with Russia, not our European allies.It's just another obsessive get Trump endeavor which has the potential of looking entirely stupid in the not too far future. It could end up in yet another backwards step to a currently VERY weak Dem party. Dems can't even think straight due to swimming in their anti-Trump fury and loss of control they had grown so accustomed to.
That's fine for those who already have or choose to take that view of Trump. (I'm referring to your second paragraph.)I guess at the end of the day, those who value ties with their democratic allies in Europe and around the world, should work together to assist Ukraine.
If Trump prefers dictators like Putin, ok. Sad, but it is what it is.