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European leaders unite behind Ukraine following Trump-Zelenskyy confrontation

"Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge." Kaja Kallas.

I couldn't agree more. America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.

Time for the grown ups to take charge.











Still butthurt over tariffs, huh? Zelensky is welcome to deal solely with the Europeans if he likes, it is in their backyard. They have offered to provide security. Zelenksy himself however said it will not work without the US. He just wants everything on his own terms. Perhaps he just wants to keep fighting and he was expecting the US to just keep supplying high tech arms with no strings attached.
 
How many can you make in a year? How many SDBs are Ukraine dropping daily? You don't have the industry base. Haven't had it since before WW2.

We've been making enough to supply many countries who have bought it as it's the best long range missile and sending a load to Ukraine.

Can we make as many as the US, nope but we can make enough.

Yes the UK isn't permanently on a war footing, who'd have thunk it.
 
"Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge." Kaja Kallas.

I couldn't agree more. America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.

Time for the grown ups to take charge.













We are ready to fight to the last Ukranian.
 
Ukraine is consuming 150,000 to 200,000 155mm shells per a month. Does Europe have the industrial base to support that? Even the US can only produce 36,000 shells per a month. We are just burning through existing inventory right now.


According to information provided by the U.S. government, over three million 155mm shells have been sent to Ukraine since the invasion began.
 
We've been making enough to supply many countries who have bought it as it's the best long range missile and sending a load to Ukraine.

Can we make as many as the US, nope but we can make enough.
Can you make enough for Ukraine? Probably not.
Yes the UK isn't permanently on a war footing, who'd have thunk it.
 
Ukraine is consuming 150,000 to 200,000 155mm shells per a month. Does Europe have the industrial base to support that? Even the US can only produce 36,000 shells per a month. We are just burning through existing inventory right now.


According to information provided by the U.S. government, over three million 155mm shells have been sent to Ukraine since the invasion began.

Why would any country keep the ability to make a simply staggering number of shells?
As with every country in history we'd ramp up production of shells if we needed them.
We can convert car factories if needed.

No sane country keeps the staff needed to make so many shells on standby.
 
Can you make enough for Ukraine? Probably not.

If you mean all of Europe and the UK then I think we could ramp up production if needed but the UK alone certainly not and why would anyone expect that?

Again Euope could use a few of the larger car factories to swap to arms production.
 
"Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge." Kaja Kallas.

I couldn't agree more. America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.

Time for the grown ups to take charge.











America is not Putin’s bitch.

Traitor Trump is, and he’s dragging us along with him.

Can’t blame the rest of the civilized world for being disgusted with what has become of our country. Most of us Americans feel the same.
 
And Traitor Trump really is “the chosen one”. 🙄
Why is this even about Trump? Nobody is arguing that he's not working hard enough to settle the dispute.
 
If you mean all of Europe and the UK then I think we could ramp up production if needed but the UK alone certainly not and why would anyone expect that?

Again Euope could use a few of the larger car factories to swap to arms production.
You think you can ramp up production of exquisite weapons like Storm Shadow with lead times on parts that can reach 18 months. :ROFLMAO: Now I know that you have zero experience in the defense industry.
 
America is not Putin’s bitch.

Traitor Trump is, and he’s dragging us along with him.
That distinction is meaningless outside your borders.

America as an entity is currently acting as Putin's asset. It doesn't matter to the rest of the world how people in Russia or America voted.
 
Trump is creating a power and influence vacuum by pulling America into a fetal position on the world stage. Europe would be the best suited to fill it.

It's really odd to me that the American right complains about European government and culture and yet wants to hand over more world influence to them.
 
This is how it should be. Euorpe, Ukraine, and Russia are the REAL stakeholders. Rare earth deal is just something Trump threw in to try to make something happen. To Me Z and Putin are one in the same. Giant egos and fight to the death using other people's money and lives. US got involved early on to prevent Ukraine from getting overrun, but after the stalemate Biden and his followers were played like a fiddle to keep this war going on indefinitely. The rest is history.
YET, when the US needed support from NATO after 9/11, they got it.

Why not just be honest, and admit, since you worship the ground Trump walks on, any disputes Trump has with NATO you automatically default to Trump.

At least THAT would be honest.
 
Apparently you don't.
Wow. Nice response.

Of course, the UK does more of a defense industry that Canada. Remind me again what you produce?

Explain to me how the UK is going to "ramp up" production of exquisite missiles like Storm Shadow that have components with 12 to 18 month lead times?
 
"Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge." Kaja Kallas.

I couldn't agree more. America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.

Time for the grown ups to take charge.











trump is for trump. However, he might now be for a billionaire that has more money. to get some of that money.
 
"YOU MADE US VOTE FOR DONALD!"
"THEY MADE PUTIN INVADE UKRAINE!"

(this message brought to you by the party of personal responsibility)
Those that break into USA capitol? And get off scott free?
 
"Imagine witnessing what happened in the White House today and still somehow believing that this is what will make America great.

Arrogance and bullying being rebranded as “leadership” is what has brought us to tragic and embarrassing days like today in our country.

We need a revolution of integrity and character in our country.

Greatness is found in treating others with dignity in pursuit of the common good for all people, not in how much power you can wield over all people.

Creator God, we pray for these things that are so outside of our control yet so disturb and break our hearts. Would you grant us the wisdom to navigate these events in solidarity together as we move into such uncertain times. Would you allow our brothers and sisters around the world to know that the behavior seen today does not represent so many of us. Would you remind us that we are not alone. Would you point us in the direction we need to go united together in the work of making true and lasting peace.

In the name of Jesus.

Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy."

Benjamin Cremer
 
You think you can ramp up production of exquisite weapons like Storm Shadow with lead times on parts that can reach 18 months. :ROFLMAO: Now I know that you have zero experience in the defense industry.

Yes I think that because we make the weapons and know how to build the factories.
Sure it would be expensive as shit to build factories in a hurry but we could if pushed just as the US decided to spend a fortune building a vast fleet or merchant ships during WW2.

Money can do wonders and making a shitload of missiles is just a problem of money.

The US could have made a shitload of f22 in a hurry if you really felt the need it would just have been amazingly expensive.

Great aircraft though that the UK was offered but chose to decline due to the cost which is a shame.
 
This is how it should be. Euorpe, Ukraine, and Russia are the REAL stakeholders. Rare earth deal is just something Trump threw in to try to make something happen. To Me Z and Putin are one in the same. Giant egos and fight to the death using other people's money and lives. US got involved early on to prevent Ukraine from getting overrun, but after the stalemate Biden and his followers were played like a fiddle to keep this war going on indefinitely. The rest is history.
Z was a comedian. P was KGB.

I think the backgrounds were different. Hardly one in the same.
 
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