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Typical degrees of insight.

Despite the sacrifices that I knew a pay freeze would entail for our dedicated civil servants, I concluded that a two-year freeze in the upward statutory adjustment of pay schedules is a necessary first step in our effort to address the challenge of our fiscal reality.
-- Barack Obama, Dec 2010

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The earliest this pay freexe could be lifted would be March 27, 2013.

Only the COLA was frozen,. Federal employees received step increases. They got raises.
 
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Don't have time right now to address the rest of your rude post...
There's nothing rude in pointing out how abysmally wrong your claims have been. And you have met no standard in terms of respect for superiors, so don't expect to get much respect back from them.

Wage cuts? Lowering minimum wage? Who suggested such things?
Republicans. You're aware of the fact that the minimum wage is not indexed? Are you able to tell me whether corporate profits are presently at their largest share of GDP in history? How are wages doing on that front meanwhile? They've been declining as a share of GDP for HOW LONG did you say???
 
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Republicans. You're aware of the fact that the minimum wage is not indexed? Are you able to tell me whether corporate profits are presently at their largest share of GDP in history? How are wages doing on that front meanwhile? They've been declining as a share of GDP for HOW LONG did you say???

So which of those corporation making huge profits pay any sort of siginificant number of their workers minimum wage?
 
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There's nothing rude in pointing out how abysmally wrong your claims have been. And you have met no standard in terms of respect for superiors, so don't expect to get much respect back from them.

Are trying to say that you feel "superior" to me? Good Lord! Now I know where you're coming from.


Republicans. You're aware of the fact that the minimum wage is not indexed? Are you able to tell me whether corporate profits are presently at their largest share of GDP in history? How are wages doing on that front meanwhile? They've been declining as a share of GDP for HOW LONG did you say???

What Republicans? Where? Show me some posts that say anything about that in this thread.

Why do you keep trying to compare the economy now with what happened during the Great depression? That is completely and utterly ridiculous. The whole WORLD has and the way we do things has changed immensely since those times, and comparing these times with those is completely illogical.
 
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The problem with liveable wage vs minimum wage is that you cannot pay basic necessiities with minimum wage. My husband works fulltime at $8.25/hour. With 50.32 hours he made $415.15 after FICA and MEDFICA witholdings of $31.76 his take home for this week was $383.38. Since he usually works 35 hours or less we take home around $300 per paycheck. Thats $1200 a month. $900 of that goes to rent, another $200 in utilities leaving $100 a month if we are lucky for food, gas, medical insurance, car insurance, diapers/toiletries etc... If I worked and made the same for a grand total of $2400 take home pay a month it still wouldnt cover necessities. $1100 in just the basics, then $80 in car insurance, and $20 chepo cell phone his income is wiped out. $200 per week for food with 5 people brings us to $2000 gone and $400 left over. Daycare for a one year old runs $100-$3000 per week. And we are flat broke. No health care, no gas for thw car/regular maintanance (which is cheaper than $5 per day for a bus), no toiletries/diapers/wipes etc. If we cramed our kids into a one bedroom and paid $500 in rent and saved an extra $500 a month including utility savings its still not enough to cover insurance for just the kids, $150 a month in gas, and even if we just scraped by in a cramped space, any unexpected expense would bankrupt us leave us homeless, or without. Now take into account that my husbands check is biweekly and those were the actual numbers for his check even though he is or was a fulltime employee. He is looking dor a second job or another job but it took him 6 months to find this job and his schedule makes it very improbable for him to hold two jobs at once. This is why the American people need help. He worked for a ckmpany for 6 years befire being hired fulltime with benefits and was making 8.75/hour when he left despite yearly raises. Its not a liveable wage.
Minimum wage is not expected to be a living wage. It is there for individuals who are unskilled, primarily young people who still live at home and who make up the majority of people making minimum wage.
 
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That's because with an open border, the price of labor is CHEAP.

If you didn't have all that cheap labor, people would have to pay more for workers, and everyone would be far better off........
Except the consumer who has to pay higher prices, in which case the working poor would grow in number by the reduction of the bottom level of the middle class.
 
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So which of those corporation making huge profits pay any sort of siginificant number of their workers minimum wage?

Hmmm... Walmart, Target, Smiths, and most high end atores start at minimum wagr... Gas stations, Resteraunts, and any service sector industry I can think of pay at or just above minimum wage. Then Pharmacy Technicians can be started out at $9/hour you betcha Walgreens and CVS pay that... Some of these are major corporations, some are not but these are the types of hobs that are hiring.. Just look on craigslist to see some dismal pay for Medical Assistants (granted they have 2+ years experience or else they can have $9 too!). Sadly many people would make more aspiring to be a stripper than they would taking the timw to earn an associates degree.
 
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Only the COLA was frozen,. Federal employees received step increases. They got raises.
Federal employees don't receive a COLA. The blanket statutory pay scales were frozen. Both between- and within-grade promotions were thus to lower levels of salary. Those are losses in income -- and for those about to retire, in pension benefits -- that are permanent and will never be made up. You call that a raise, rational people call that a cut.
 
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Hmmm... Walmart, Target, Smiths, and most high end atores start at minimum wagr... Gas stations, Resteraunts, and any service sector industry I can think of pay at or just above minimum wage. Then Pharmacy Technicians can be started out at $9/hour you betcha Walgreens and CVS pay that... Some of these are major corporations, some are not but these are the types of hobs that are hiring.. Just look on craigslist to see some dismal pay for Medical Assistants (granted they have 2+ years experience or else they can have $9 too!). Sadly many people would make more aspiring to be a stripper than they would taking the timw to earn an associates degree.

They start at minimum wage but how many keep the wages at minimum wage. How many have any significant number of employees making minimum wage?

Wal-Mart is offering $17/hr to start in North Dakota. They were offering $12/hour starting wage where I live. Mcdonalds is offering $10/hour starting wage all over the country. Of course they have some people making minimum wage. Some jobs are only worth that just like most positions also have a maximum worth no matter how long or how good you do the job.
 
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Minimum wage is not expected to be a living wage. It is there for individuals who are unskilled, primarily young people who still live at home and who make up the majority of people making minimum wage.



All you would have to do is visit your local Walmart or convienience store to debunk that one. Walmart across the country seems to be older caucasian men and women as greeters and 25-40 year old cashiers. Not to say 16-19 year old Bobby doesn't work there also, but try being aware of your surroundings the next time you walk into a place that probably pays minimum wage.
 
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So which of those corporation making huge profits pay any sort of siginificant number of their workers minimum wage?
Relevance? Profits as a percent of GDP are at record highs. Wages as a percent of GDP are at record lows. And clueless Romneyites wonder why the 99% are getting sicker and sicker of the 1%.
 
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Federal employees don't receive a COLA.

Yes they do.

Federal employees have received step increases during the so call wage freeze.

"Over the course of the two-year freeze on cost-of-living pay increases, eligible federal employees have received within-grade step increases for advancing through levels of the General Schedule pay system. Republican lawmakers have targeted the within-grade raises, which average $2,000, as another way to cut federal spending."

Federal budget 2013: Obama’s budget boosts pay, size of federal workforce remains relatively flat - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post
 
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There's nothing rude in pointing out how abysmally wrong your claims have been. And you have met no standard in terms of respect for superiors, so don't expect to get much respect back from them.


Republicans. You're aware of the fact that the minimum wage is not indexed? Are you able to tell me whether corporate profits are presently at their largest share of GDP in history? How are wages doing on that front meanwhile? They've been declining as a share of GDP for HOW LONG did you say???
The biggest problem I see with minimum wages are what happens to union wages every time the minimum wages go up. Contractually, most union wages go up by the same % as does the minimum wage.
 
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They start at minimum wage but how many keep the wages at minimum wage. How many have any significant number of employees making minimum wage?

Wal-Mart is offering $17/hr to start in North Dakota. They were offering $12/hour starting wage where I live. Mcdonalds is offering $10/hour starting wage all over the country. Of course they have some people making minimum wage. Some jobs are only worth that just like most positions also have a maximum worth no matter how long or how good you do the job.


See my avatar for proof of bull****. My gusband just started working at McDonalds a month ago, he makes $8.25... Try again. And when you make 8.25 starting out $.50 a year raise does nothing. Before thia job my husband worked for a company for 6 nearing 7 years. They finally put him on fulltime benefits at year five, his ending wage was $8.75/hour up from 7.00 six years ago, and they gave him his paid vacation then let him go. Why? Well his wage coupled with his newfound vacations and health insurance benefits cost too much. They stay at or below minimum wage. There isnt enough difference between $9/hour and $8.25/hour. The real question is how high the company will allow their wage to go before sending in the pink slip.
 
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Relevance? Profits as a percent of GDP are at record highs. Wages as a percent of GDP are at record lows. And clueless Romneyites wonder why the 99% are getting sicker and sicker of the 1%.

Your the one who made the connection between the two. Do you have anything to back the connection?
 
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Are trying to say that you feel "superior" to me? Good Lord!
You've left me no alternative. There is a long and growing list of things here that I know a good deal about that you don't. Do you think that makes us equal?

Now I know where you're coming from.
No, we've not actually gone into matters of training and experience.

What Republicans? Where? Show me some posts that say anything about that in this thread.
Who let the minimum wage sit there and dwindle until Decmocrats forced a partial restoration of lost purchasing power? Who backed the diversion of productivity gains into corporate profits, claiming that wage increases would be "too inflationary"? The correct answer would be "Republicans" in both cases.

Why do you keep trying to compare the economy now with what happened during the Great depression? That is completely and utterly ridiculous. The whole WORLD has and the way we do things has changed immensely since those times, and comparing these times with those is completely illogical.
LOL! The questions actually posed were as follow...

Are you able to tell me whether corporate profits are presently at their largest share of GDP in history? How are wages doing on that front meanwhile? They've been declining as a share of GDP for HOW LONG did you say?

I guess you didn't really want to deal with those.
 
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All you would have to do is visit your local Walmart or convienience store to debunk that one. Walmart across the country seems to be older caucasian men and women as greeters and 25-40 year old cashiers. Not to say 16-19 year old Bobby doesn't work there also, but try being aware of your surroundings the next time you walk into a place that probably pays minimum wage.
As was said earlier, some jobs aren't worth more than minimum wage. The production level must be higher to earn higer wages. Retail clerking is historically a low wage industry and will likely remain so as long as consumers demand low prices.

Determining wage value is a 'science' unto itself. When I was young and working for my spending money, I made minimum wage too, and was damned glad to get it. I feel sorry for those whose skill set puts them into the minimum wage production state but there is usually a very good reason why some people are at the bottom of the wage ladder, and there are generally ways to grow out of that position.
 
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That would be another big pile of lack of any rational basis. Just more worthless emotional rant. Everybody's two cents worth was sought and then thrown onto the health care pile with White House teams and half a dozen committees on the Hill listening to and working to sort it all out. Apparently, you just weren't paying any attention at all at the time.
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I know it! When will you stop doing that? The way you speak to people sometimes makes them NOT want to debate with you. Heed your advice!
I agree with a lot of your explanations about economics, even a lot about politics, but I agree with ChrisL. One can be knowledgeable without being rude. Arrogance is not an enviable trait and it appears to me it is a standard manner of posting for you if the responder is not cowtowing to your opinions.
 
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See my avatar for proof of bull****. My gusband just started working at McDonalds a month ago, he makes $8.25... Try again. And when you make 8.25 starting out $.50 a year raise does nothing. Before thia job my husband worked for a company for 6 nearing 7 years. They finally put him on fulltime benefits at year five, his ending wage was $8.75/hour up from 7.00 six years ago, and they gave him his paid vacation then let him go. Why? Well his wage coupled with his newfound vacations and health insurance benefits cost too much. They stay at or below minimum wage. There isnt enough difference between $9/hour and $8.25/hour. The real question is how high the company will allow their wage to go before sending in the pink slip.
I can't make out what your avatar is. Help!
 
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Federal employees don't receive a COLA. The blanket statutory pay scales were frozen. Both between- and within-grade promotions were thus to lower levels of salary. Those are losses in income -- and for those about to retire, in pension benefits -- that are permanent and will never be made up. You call that a raise, rational people call that a cut.

Yes they do. It's when the base step salaries are increased. They still received step increases and grade increases. They got raises.

Only an irrational pesron would call an increase that was never given, and is not required or guaranteed to ever be given, a cut in their salary.
 
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As was said earlier, some jobs aren't worth more than minimum wage. The production level must be higher to earn higer wages. Retail clerking is historically a low wage industry and will likely remain so as long as consumers demand low prices.

Determining wage value is a 'science' unto itself. When I was young and working for my spending money, I made minimum wage too, and was damned glad to get it. I feel sorry for those whose skill set puts them into the minimum wage production state but there is usually a very good reason why some people are at the bottom of the wage ladder, and there are generally ways to grow out of that position.

Well weve tried college and I hold two technical degrees. They were each 10 month programs but all I could afford while making minimum wage. Weve tried the grow with the company approach and just ended up losing the job because the pay increases were too significant. Ive learned two languages on top of English and my husband is fluwnt in Spanish. I graduated with 4.0s from high achool and both of my technical degrees. I'm not an invalid that can't comprehend basic computer programs or further my scope of knowledge on any given subject. I work hard at everything I do and when left with nothing to show for it, its hard not to think there's another reason behind it besides a failure on our part. If I could get into interpreting Id be set. Those jobs are filled by immigrant children who have a fluidity for both languages like no one learning a foreign language could attain. A memorization job would be great! Something where I could study and learn while working but becoming a scientist is to expensive and archaeology/anthropology aren't in high demand at the moment. So here we are stuck and stranded by limited funds to get through a decent college course in the first place. I was trying to use Medical Assisting as a stepping stone and then Pharmacy Tech to be able to afford a better education. Didnt work so great.
 
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Minimum wage is not expected to be a living wage. It is there for individuals who are unskilled, primarily young people who still live at home and who make up the majority of people making minimum wage.
About half of minimum wage workers are under 25. Obviously, the other half is 25 or over. The lower half is about equally divided between teenagers and those aged 20-24. Teenagers alone are 23% of minimum wage workers. Meanwhile, about 20% of minimum wage workers are over age 25 and are married with the spouse present in the home.
 
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About half of minimum wage workers are under 25. Obviously, the other half is 25 or over. The lower half is about equally divided between teenagers and those aged 20-24. Teenagers alone are 23% of minimum wage workers. Meanwhile, about 20% of minimum wage workers are over age 25 and are married with the spouse present in the home.
We are still speaking about low skilled workers.

Probably from the same site: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2011tbls.htm#1
*Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly-paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 23 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and over. (See table 1 and table 7.)

Off topic: A delightful review of Einstein's Dreams by Alan Lightman. Einstein's Dreams in Mussoorie by Victor Bannergee, a school made of mine. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/einstein-s-dreams-in-mussoorie/1061220/0
 
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I can't make out what your avatar is. Help!

Its a picture of my husbands paystub. Try zooming in.
 
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You've left me no alternative. There is a long and growing list of things here that I know a good deal about that you don't. Do you think that makes us equal?


No, we've not actually gone into matters of training and experience.


Who let the minimum wage sit there and dwindle until Decmocrats forced a partial restoration of lost purchasing power? Who backed the diversion of productivity gains into corporate profits, claiming that wage increases would be "too inflationary"? The correct answer would be "Republicans" in both cases.


LOL! The questions actually posed were as follow...

Are you able to tell me whether corporate profits are presently at their largest share of GDP in history? How are wages doing on that front meanwhile? They've been declining as a share of GDP for HOW LONG did you say?

I guess you didn't really want to deal with those.

I'll address line by line later on when I have time to waste on you. However, to address your superiority remark. You probably know more about the subject of SS because maybe you are collecting it?

Also, I am nicer, more pleasant to converse with, and also probably cuter and younger than you. Therefore, some people might see ME as being superior to you. :mrgreen:
 
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