End of the oil age and the rise of renewables/nuclear/new sources. (1 Viewer)

[JohnRawls]

I know this has been a topic of discussion since the early 90s but for whole other reasons that we might run out of oil. I would like to bring another argument here, that we are at the end of the oil age not because we have run out of oil but because we just won't need as much of it anymore.

According to statistics, we use oil for gasoline/diesel transport around 55-70% of it. While the remaining 30-45% is everything else from products to lubricants to high octane kerosine and anything else.

But there is a trend that EVs adoption seems to be increasing in pace against our wildest imaginations with China and Europe taking the lead. And the tempo seems to be only accelerating world-wide. The only major economy slow at adopting this is America and Russia.

Share of EV sales compared to ICE(combustion engine):

Trend in 2025:

Snapshot electric vehicle sales in Q1 2025 vs Q1 2024, YTD %

• Global: 4.1 million, +29%
• China: 2.4 million, +36%
• Europe: 0.9 million, +22%
• North America: 0.5 million, +16%
• Rest of World: 0.3 million, +27%

Basically 29% increase from 2024Q1 to 2025Q1

This will put the sales at roughly 30% of total if the trend keeps up in 2025.
Right now we are still not feeling the decrease of oil consumption from it that well since the numbers started spiking fast in 2020 but it seems in the next 1-2 the drop will start and in 5 years from now severe drop in oil consumption will start.
Source: https://rhomotion.com/

Global EV Sales Up 29% In 2025 From Previous Year

Rho Motion, the leading EV research house, today revealed that the number of electric vehicles sold globally in March 2025 is 1.7 million, with 4.1 million sold in Q1 2025. The EV market grew by 29% in March 2025 compared to March 2024, and increased by 40% compared to February 2025. Rho Motion...

rhomotion.com

 

[Grand Mal]

I know this has been a topic of discussion since the early 90s but for whole other reasons that we might run out of oil. I would like to bring another argument here, that we are at the end of the oil age not because we have run out of oil but because we just won't need as much of it anymore.

According to statistics, we use oil for gasoline/diesel transport around 55-70% of it. While the remaining 30-45% is everything else from products to lubricants to high octane kerosine and anything else.

But there is a trend that EVs adoption seems to be increasing in pace against our wildest imaginations with China and Europe taking the lead. And the tempo seems to be only accelerating world-wide. The only major economy slow at adopting this is America and Russia.

Share of EV sales compared to ICE(combustion engine):

View attachment 67569788

Trend in 2025:

Snapshot electric vehicle sales in Q1 2025 vs Q1 2024, YTD %

• Global: 4.1 million, +29%
• China: 2.4 million, +36%
• Europe: 0.9 million, +22%
• North America: 0.5 million, +16%
• Rest of World: 0.3 million, +27%

Basically 29% increase from 2024Q1 to 2025Q1

View attachment 67569789

This will put the sales at roughly 30% of total if the trend keeps up in 2025.
Right now we are still not feeling the decrease of oil consumption from it that well since the numbers starting spiking fast in 2020 but it seems in the next 1-2 the drop will start and in 5 years from now severe drop in oil consumption will start.
Source: https://rhomotion.com/

Global EV Sales Up 29% In 2025 From Previous Year

Rho Motion, the leading EV research house, today revealed that the number of electric vehicles sold globally in March 2025 is 1.7 million, with 4.1 million sold in Q1 2025. The EV market grew by 29% in March 2025 compared to March 2024, and increased by 40% compared to February 2025. Rho Motion...

rhomotion.com

Bout time.
The oil-igarchy will continue it's campaign of resistance and misinformation, of course, as long as there's one drop or one lump in the ground, unsold. But it's long past time to move beyond the hundreds of years old low-tech sources of energy.
Scotland, for example, long the fount of technical innovation that drove the industrial revolution, produces nearly all of its consumer electricity with wind and it's cheaper than in New York State. And that's with decades-worth of North Sea oil unpumped.

 

[SkyChief]

We will always need oil to:
• make plastics
• make diesel fuel for trucking and trains
• make jet fuel for military and commercial aviation
• make fuel oil (HFO) for global shipping
• provide Heating and electricity in remote locations
• lubricate machinery
• manufacture paints and solvents
et al . . .

The oil age is here to stay. Renewables can facilitate cutting down on oil, but they will not ever totally eliminate the need for oil.

 

[JohnRawls]

Bout time.
The oil-igarchy will continue it's campaign of resistance and misinformation, of course, as long as there's one drop or one lump in the ground, unsold. But it's long past time to move beyond the hundreds of years old low-tech sources of energy.
Scotland, for example, long the fount of technical innovation that drove the industrial revolution, produces nearly all of its consumer electricity with wind and it's cheaper than in New York State. And that's with decades-worth of North Sea oil unpumped.

Pretty much, it is not just Electric vehicles but the production of electricity itself has shifted to renewables of different sort because they have become cheaper. I don't think that it is possible to buckle this trend since it has become economically more profitable to use EVs(By the way, thanks commies in China) and renewables(general research over the decades).

Information for Europe and consider that Europe is not that great for all renewables like sun in the first place, but we are good with wind:

This is IRENA estimates between 2010-2019 for costs (in 2025 we are even more cheaper for renewables)

2025 renewables compared to 2014:

 

[JohnRawls]

We will always need oil to:
• make plastics
• make diesel fuel for trucking and trains
• make jet fuel for military and commercial aviation
• make fuel oil (HFO) for global shipping
• provide Heating and electricity in remote locations
• lubricate machinery
• manufacture paints and solvents
et al . . .

The oil age is here to stay. Renewables can facilitate cutting down on oil, but they will not ever totally eliminate the need for oil.

We still use rocks, bronze, iron, steel and coal but a lot, lot, lot less than we used to when we heavily relied on those products. The question is not if usage will disappear entirely but in % terms how important is it.

This is the first MAJOR step that will undermine fossil fuels since transportation is such a major part of oil usage from 50-70% basically. Depending on what you include just cars and vehicles or all transport etc. Eventually we will find a way to replace it also in ships and then planes besides the highest performers. It is heading in that direction then less lubrication might be needed and so on.

Sure, some of it will remain there it just will be a lot less from the peak.

 

[Grand Mal]

We will always need oil to:
• make plastics

Yep

• make diesel fuel for trucking and trains

There's electric trucks and trains.

• make jet fuel for military and commercial aviation

Yeah, petro would be hard to replace in jet engines. Jet engines, however, might be not so hard to replace.

• make fuel oil (HFO) for global shipping

Ships are already powered by nukes. And electric motors.

• provide Heating and electricity in remote locations

Local electricity generation is far more efficient than transporting oil hundreds of thousands of miles. The nuke plant that powers an aircraft carrier can power a small town.

• lubricate machinery

Lubricating oil can and often is produced from plants. Here, BC, sawmill equipment that's over the river is lubricated with plant-based oil.

• manufacture paints and solvents

You pretty sure that can't be done without petrol products?

et al . . .

The oil age is here to stay. Renewables can facilitate cutting down on oil, but they will not ever totally eliminate the need for oil.

Oil has uses, sure, but using it for fuel is hundreds of years old low technology that's only still around because there's so much money tied up in it. It could well have been replaced generations ago if there wasn't so much resistance from the oil-igarchy who make money like drug cartel bosses from it.

 

[noonereal]

End of the oil age and the rise of renewables/nuclear/new sources​

Except in America, thanks you MAGA idiots

 

[noonereal]

We will always need oil to:
• make plastics
• make diesel fuel for trucking and trains
• make jet fuel for military and commercial aviation
• make fuel oil (HFO) for global shipping
• provide Heating and electricity in remote locations
• lubricate machinery
• manufacture paints and solvents
et al . . .

The oil age is here to stay. Renewables can facilitate cutting down on oil, but they will not ever totally eliminate the need for oil.

See post #6.

@Grand Mal shredded this stupid post to pieces.

 

[SkyChief]

. . . Sure, some of it [need for oil] will remain there it just will be a lot less from the peak.

Right, and that was essentially my point:

Renewables can facilitate cutting down on oil, but they will not ever totally eliminate the need for oil.

We agree on this point. I disagree about electric vehicles, though. I would never own one, and the only person I know who DID own one was very disappointed with it so he sold it and went back to a gasoline powered vehicle.

. . . Oil has uses, sure, but using it for fuel is hundreds of years old low technology that's only still around because there's so much money tied up in it. It could well have been replaced generations ago if there wasn't so much resistance from the oil-igarchy who make money like drug cartel bosses from it.

My point is:

Renewables can facilitate cutting down on oil, but they will not ever totally eliminate the need for oil.

 

[noonereal]

Except in America, thanks you MAGA idiots

Or should I have said misfits?

 

[stealthycat]

what % of our electricity is generated by oil products ??

serious question - does anyone know the answer?

 

[noonereal]

Right, and that was essentially my point:


We agree on this point. I disagree about electric vehicles, though. I would never own one, and the only person I know who DID own one was very disappointed with it so he sold it and went back to a gasoline powered vehicle.

My point is:

Back peddle much?

 

[JohnRawls]

what % of our electricity is generated by oil products ??

serious question - does anyone know the answer?

Depends on the country. European Union graph is above Gas,Oil,Coal is 35%, renewables are 45%, nuclear is 20%.

 

[VanceMack]

I know this has been a topic of discussion since the early 90s but for whole other reasons that we might run out of oil. I would like to bring another argument here, that we are at the end of the oil age not because we have run out of oil but because we just won't need as much of it anymore.

According to statistics, we use oil for gasoline/diesel transport around 55-70% of it. While the remaining 30-45% is everything else from products to lubricants to high octane kerosine and anything else.

But there is a trend that EVs adoption seems to be increasing in pace against our wildest imaginations with China and Europe taking the lead. And the tempo seems to be only accelerating world-wide. The only major economy slow at adopting this is America and Russia.

Share of EV sales compared to ICE(combustion engine):

View attachment 67569788

Trend in 2025:

Snapshot electric vehicle sales in Q1 2025 vs Q1 2024, YTD %

• Global: 4.1 million, +29%
• China: 2.4 million, +36%
• Europe: 0.9 million, +22%
• North America: 0.5 million, +16%
• Rest of World: 0.3 million, +27%

Basically 29% increase from 2024Q1 to 2025Q1

View attachment 67569789

This will put the sales at roughly 30% of total if the trend keeps up in 2025.
Right now we are still not feeling the decrease of oil consumption from it that well since the numbers started spiking fast in 2020 but it seems in the next 1-2 the drop will start and in 5 years from now severe drop in oil consumption will start.
Source: https://rhomotion.com/

Global EV Sales Up 29% In 2025 From Previous Year

Rho Motion, the leading EV research house, today revealed that the number of electric vehicles sold globally in March 2025 is 1.7 million, with 4.1 million sold in Q1 2025. The EV market grew by 29% in March 2025 compared to March 2024, and increased by 40% compared to February 2025. Rho Motion...

rhomotion.com

Is it lost on you that every form of green energy imaginable requires oil to hunt for, extract, ship, manufacture distribute, and install/implement?

Have you looked at the energy consumption needs of cities?

 

[JohnRawls]

Is it lost on you that every form of green energy imaginable requires oil to hunt for, extract, ship, manufacture distribute, and install/implement?

Have you looked at the energy consumption needs of cities?

I do understand this, as said already, oil will not disappear. It will just become less important and cheaper because usage will decline % wise.

It is well understood that Oil will always have its uses, the same way as rocks/bricks, bronze, iron, steel, coal has its uses but it is just not as important as it was during the times when we heavily relied on them.

Total usage of oil for US in 2022 for example:

 

[Revelation]

Depends on the country. European Union graph is above Gas,Oil,Coal is 35%, renewables are 45%, nuclear is 20%.

yeah Germany got screwed with renewables. their Electric rates sky rocketed; meh another good one. keep going.

now people can't pay their Electric Bills.

bring this silliness to america so we can't pay our bills either. and yes it is already hitting my Bill by doubling the rates.

when i was in the military, i used less than 5 dollars in electric, so they billed me the minimum payment. um, try that now all you will Stars in yur eyes.


when will the Propaganda stop? well the WEF says we will take EVERYTHING you have.

better believe them sheep.


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[VanceMack]

I do understand this, as said already, oil will not disappear. It will just become less important and cheaper because usage will decline % wise.

It is well understood that Oil will always have its uses, the same way as rocks/bricks, bronze, iron, steel, coal has its uses but it is just not as important as it was during the times when we heavily relied on them.

Total usage of oil for US in 2022 for example:

View attachment 67569817

I am fine with better and reliable energy sources emerging. But oil is vital...and always will be. You cant PRODUCE anything to recreate what oil does, and frankly, all of the stats regarding green energy consumption ignores the expansive use of oil to actually get to the point of a deliverable.

 

[JohnRawls]

run out of oil, really sheep; rockafeller did a good job convincing Sheep how rare oil is..........not.

the most plentiful commodity on the planet is OIL.

how?

texas oil wells ran out of oil, and shut down decades ago. check

after a few decades the oil started filling up the Empty Texas oil wells.

did we learn anything?

nope.

there are various theories of oil how it got here, ours don't work. oil dissipates after 1 million years, bye bye oil. hmmm

the russians dig over 30,000 feet for oil. dinosaur bones found at the deepest about 16,000 feet........do the math if you can.

not enuf dinosaurs to make all the oil we are finding; hmmmm. even if there was, after 1 million years the oil would dissipate.

for extra credit, how does the Oil really get here?


i better stop because i am demanding people think, and feel the resistance already.








great now i get to push my EV in the winter time.

very bad to push this kind of tech before it matures. let it evolve Slowly or get crazy EV stories. such as the Ford Pickup EV that was in the shop more than on the road......and it cost over 100,000 dollars. good one ford. or how the ford company loses 45,000 or whatever for every EV they sell.

has common sense left the building.?

or how we don't have simple to repair cars. the list goes on. but the wealthy don't care.

where is my 500 dollar used Corolla? ooops people found they were reliable and now they are 5,000 to 10,000 dollars. good one people.




yep, try getting one repaired. groan.

neighbor tried to get his Toyota Hybrid repaired. Toyota said 6,000 for a new battery; um no, my friend took the car down south to an independent repair, and it was a 200 dollar part.

people: get the STARS out of yur eyes...........stop it.






groan, oil supplies are plentiful. stop worrying about consumption; groan.

remove Stars from eyes and come back. thank you.

I don't care about consumption, I care about profitability more. May be a bit about the environmental impact.

The bottom line is that EVs are cheaper because of decades of research, increased production of scale and actually Chinese commies basically subsidizing them for all of the world right now. Renewable energy production have become more effective compared to even cheapest gas.

More efficiency, less side effects, more profits is where it is at.

EV trend heavily intensified in the last 4.5 years. Renewables have been trending downwards for a long time now but Covid accelerated the trend and adoption heavily especially with the high oil prices after Covid and the war in Ukraine here in Europe.

 

[JohnRawls]

yeah Germany got screwed with renewables. their Electric rates sky rocketed; meh another good one. keep going.

now people can't pay their Electric Bills.

bring this silliness to america so we can't pay our bills either. and yes it is already hitting my Bill by doubling the rates.

when i was in the military, i used less than 5 dollars in electric, so they billed me the minimum payment. um, try that now all you will Stars in yur eyes.


when will the Propaganda stop? well the WEF says we will take EVERYTHING you have.

better believe them sheep.


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Yeah because Russia used Gas as a weapon. So ofcourse the prices skyrocketed, simple supply and demand.

One more reason for Europe to move away from Gas in energy production. Why import energy when you can produce it locally at same or cheaper prices?

 

[VanceMack]

9 challenges facing the EV industry today - The Environmental Blog

The electric vehicle (EV) industry is experiencing unprecedented growth, but it faces several hurdles that could slow its adoption. From high costs to

www.theenvironmentalblog.org

EVs have 79% more reliability problems than gas cars, says Consumer Reports

Teething problems abound with new electric powertrains.

arstechnica.com

Unfortunately...the best chance EVs have of becoming more affordable and successful is in the form of a man leftists have branded a Nazi.

 

[Revelation]

JohnRawls said:

End of the oil age and the rise of renewables/nuclear/new sources​

oh Joy, lets celebrate disaster. thanks John

Except in America, thanks you MAGA idiots

Maga got it right, they look at Europe and shake their heads.

note how germany is now in decline because of this lunacy.

I am fine with better and reliable energy sources emerging.

But oil is vital...and always will be. You cant PRODUCE anything to recreate what oil does, and frankly, all of the stats regarding green energy consumption ignores the expansive use of oil to actually get to the point of a deliverable.

Vance, listen to the Propaganda Lunes. they go from 'hip thing' to 'hip thing'.

nuclear is hardly safe, a safe Thoreum reactor was created years ago, and then the Oligarchs put a huge stop to that.

so now the Lunes are encouraging unsafe nuclear power with no place to store the spent Nuke rods......cept on top of the Buildings said an MIT scientist on NPR

we should be livid, but not a word said. the storage was under a mountain, billions spent. nope were not allowed to store in a safe place.

the Oligarchs want population reduction when those electric plants are hit in the next war.

people please think and we will move on to some Real solutions. (not holding my breath on that, ever)

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[JohnRawls]

9 challenges facing the EV industry today - The Environmental Blog

The electric vehicle (EV) industry is experiencing unprecedented growth, but it faces several hurdles that could slow its adoption. From high costs to

www.theenvironmentalblog.org

EVs have 79% more reliability problems than gas cars, says Consumer Reports

Teething problems abound with new electric powertrains.

arstechnica.com

Unfortunately...the best chance EVs have of becoming more affordable and successful is in the form of a man leftists have branded a Nazi.

Well previously the price was a problem that they were 2x-3x-5x-10x pricier. Quality is something that can be fixed easier than production price.

 

[Revelation]

Yeah because Russia used Gas as a weapon. So ofcourse the prices skyrocketed, simple supply and demand.

One more reason for Europe to move away from Gas in energy production. Why import energy when you can produce it locally at same or cheaper prices?

yeah because you know who blew the gas lines in this Oligarch contrived war.

peel onion back people. stop the Propaganda.........never mind; hello Dark Maga, when is the World Wide Technocracy scheduled?

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[VanceMack]

oh Joy, lets celebrate disaster. thanks John


Maga got it right, they look at Europe and shake their heads.

note how germany is now in decline because of this lunacy.





Vance, listen to the Propaganda Lunes. they go from 'hip thing' to 'hip thing'.

nuclear is hardly safe, a safe Thoreum reactor was created years ago, and then the Oligarchs put a huge stop to that.

so now the Lunes are encouraging unsafe nuclear power with no place to store the spent Nuke rods......cept on top of the Buildings said an MIT scientist on NPR

we should be livid, but not a word said. the storage was under a mountain, billions spent. nope were not allowed to store in a safe place.

the Oligarchs want population reduction when those electric plants are hit in the next war.

people please think and we will move on to some Real solutions. (not holding my breath on that, ever)

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Oh yeah...we have commented on that on this site numerous times. The same mindless anti-nuke leftists from the 80s and 90s are now chanting pro nuke slogans.

Its not their fault, really. They are muppets. They believe what they are told to believe.

 

[VanceMack]

Well previously the price was a problem that they were 2x-3x-5x-10x pricier. Quality is something that can be fixed easier than production price.

Pricey, repair costs are outrageous, and replacing/recycling the batter is a financial nightmare, not to mention a potential ecological disaster.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-recycling-plant-fire-housing-900-tonnes-lithium-batteries-2024-02-18/

Missouri Battery Recycling Plant Fire

After Missouri plant fire, an NFPA expert discusses the unique hazards involved in lithium-ion battery recycling.

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