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Hey, look at that, everybody -- Conservative just switched data charts again. Every reference he made to employment/unemployment numbers he's been posting until now came from houshold survey data. I point out that private sector jobs are down just 600K under Obama according to household survey data and what does con do? He does what he always does -- he cherry picks data, this time, by abandoning the household survey data he swears by in favor of payroll data because payroll data reflects a bigger loss of jobs in the private sector.
as has been shown to you even with net job gains unemployment can still go up.
4 million jobs were lost in 2008 ... another 3.6 million jobs were lost between January of 2009 and the end of Bush's Great Recession in June of that year. Conservatives whine that Obama can't fix that.No one is looking at your numbers. Post a link, because it's well established that you post fake data.
The economy lost two million jobs in Bush's last four months. That's what Obama had to deal with.
Let's take a look at private sector employment which shows Obama to still have quite a problem. January 2009 there were 110.9 million employed and in August that was 109.2 Million or a 1.7 million difference. Doubt that he can generate 1.7 million in a couple months and probably won't do it by the end of his term so that job chart you love to post will soon have a new leader at the bottom on job creation chart.
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109153 109170
2009 | 110981 | 110260 | 109473 | 108700 | 108374 | 107936 | 107649 | 107434 | 107221 | 106971 | 106937 | 106835 |
gain/loss | -721 | -787 | -773 | -326 | -438 | -287 | -215 | -213 | -250 | -34 | -102 | |
2010 | 106793 | 106772 | 106916 | 107145 | 107193 | 107258 | 107351 | 107461 | 107570 | 107713 | 107841 | 108008 |
gain/loss | -42 | -21 | 144 | 229 | 48 | 65 | 93 | 110 | 109 | 143 | 128 | 167 |
2011 | 108102 | 108363 | 108582 | 108823 | 108922 | 108997 | 109153 | 109170 | ||||
gain/loss | 94 | 261 | 219 | 241 | 99 | 75 | 156 | 17 |
Spits the poster who was caught red-handed posting fake numbers. :roll:Most people, not liberals understand that unemployment uses the labor force, total whereas the actual employment numbers breaks the numbers down into the various categories. I don't expect you to understand that as you will need the MSM to spin it for you into a more liberal message
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4 million jobs were lost in 2008 ... another 3.6 million jobs were lost between January of 2009 and the end of Bush's Great Recession in June of that year. Conservatives whine that Obama can't fix that.
Looks like the public agrees with me as the Obama JAR continues to be under 40%. Seems only the brainwashed continue to support this incompetent, empty suit
Using your numbers:
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835 gain/loss -721 -787 -773 -326 -438 -287 -215 -213 -250 -34 -102 2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008 gain/loss -42 -21 144 229 48 65 93 110 109 143 128 167 2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109153 109170 gain/loss 94 261 219 241 99 75 156 17
Those aren't my numbers, those are bls numbers and show the net private sector job losses since Obama took office in January 2009. If you spend a trillion dollars shouldn't you generate better results? Let me know when he gets back to the same number he inherited
I hope no one missed that last month's numbers make 18 months in a row that the private sector has gained payroll jobs to the tune of 2.4 million jobs.Using your numbers:
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835 gain/loss -721 -787 -773 -326 -438 -287 -215 -213 -250 -34 -102 2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008 gain/loss -42 -21 144 229 48 65 93 110 109 143 128 167 2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109153 109170 gain/loss 94 261 219 241 99 75 156 17
What did Obama say or promise regarding jobs that went overseas? The facts are that he's not a king, only a lowly POTUS. The Democrats tried to get money for the 911 first responders by eliminating tax incentives companies get for moving jobs oversea, but the Republicans resisted.
Liar... Gallup = 42%Looks like the public agrees with me as the Obama JAR continues to be under 40%. Seems only the brainwashed continue to support this incompetent, empty suit
You don't spend a trillion dollars and you get much worse results. As always, the problem isn't that Obama did too much -- it's that he did too little, thanks to conservative resistance.
Yup, and Obama first year necessary credit was locked tighter than a drum from the Great Bush Recession.I hope no one missed that last month's numbers make 18 months in a row that the private sector has gained payroll jobs to the tune of 2.4 million jobs.
That money targeted 3 million jobs and had better results by saving and creating 3.5 million jobs.Those aren't my numbers, those are bls numbers and show the net private sector job losses since Obama took office in January 2009. If you spend a trillion dollars shouldn't you generate better results? Let me know when he gets back to the same number he inherited
That money targeted 3 million jobs and had better results by saving and creating 3.5 million jobs.
Yup, and Obama first year necessary credit was locked tighter than a drum from the Great Bush Recession.
You've already proven you don't believe those results, why should anyone else?Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-42% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
Right, and why was it such a bad month? Could it be in large part because the stock markets took a dive as a result of the Republicans' idiotic debt ceiling stunt? Does it surprise you that companies were more hesitant to hire after seeing $4 trillion erased from their books in a single week? You mean dumbass Republican games DO have real world consequences? Shocked!!
Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
Given that, how do you explain the market being up under Obama?You clearly have no concept of how the economy works or what drives the Stock Market.
The market is a reflection of what is believed the future holds.
I believe that the market being down and the lack of new jobs is the fear that Obama will once again come up with a lame idea for the creation of jobs that includes more taxes, more wasteful spending, and fewer spending cuts than are needed to create a positive attitude about the future.
To sum up, my point is that job creation started falling at the same time republicans started pushing for spending cuts. Do you disagree?
nAnd what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.
Given that, how do you explain the market being up under Obama?
DJIA: +36%
NASDAQ: +63%
S&P500: +38%
Seems to me the market had a lot of confidence in Obama's policies until the GOP proved they were serious about preventing Obama from doing anything to improve the economy.
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