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Who gets to decide what's job related? The government? You? Fortunately, IMO, what you personally believe is not the law of the land.
Why not? Why do employers get to decide anything BUT age, gender, race, or religion?In the United States, employers are under no obligation to hire ANYONE. I kinda' like it that way. One can't discriminate based on age, gender, race, religion.
I agree that employees are very different at work than at home. True enough. It's really a damn shame when someone's credit is effected by the actions of someone else. People getting divorced and bitter often run up credit as a way of getting even with their soon-to-be-ex. There are plenty of good reasons why responsible people have bad credit.
I rent properties as a licensed Realtor. I explain to people that we're going to run their credit as part of the decision whether or not to rent to them. I've had people give me lengthy explanations for why their credit sucks. I'm totally up for them and, if their explanations make sense, they're good as gold to me. Had one guy tell me his credit was screwed up because of a car he bought he really couldn't afford. He said, "I fixed that problem, though. I gave the car back to the bank." Hellooooo? When I pulled his credit, he had a half-dozen bad checks on it written to a gambling casino. Hmmmm......
Why not? Why do employers get to decide anything BUT age, gender, race, or religion?
They shouldn't be able to deny you a job based on circumstances beyond your ability to control, or circumstances which are none of their damn business.
So if you lose your job, and you fall behind on your mortgage, an employer who sees that should be able to deny you the job you are otherwise qualified for and which would help you get caught up?
That's absurd.
Too bad, so sad. Most employers would understand that type of situation. Just because an employer checks a potential employees credit doesnt mean that they will automatically turn them down due to a short time span of credit issues. You are assuming that all employers are bad. I am under the assumption that most employers are good.
Regardless, as an employee, you dont have to work for a company that you dont like. Why should an employer be required to hire someone that they dont like? It has to be a mutually agreeable situation to work.
Then I guess I'll ask you the same question MaggieD opted to avoid addressing:
So then, how come an employer shouldn't be able to decide if skin color is job-related?
IMO, they should be able to.
You have just set back race relations by, hmmm, 150 years. :rofl
IMO, they should be able to.
Then give me a quick answer. Why should age and gender off-limits but personal credit history (especially out of context) should not?I'll debate a lot of things, Hoplite, but this one's just absurd. Maybe somebody else will pick it up.
Then give me a quick answer. Why should age and gender off-limits but personal credit history (especially out of context) should not?
The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) is responsible for enforcing federal laws that make it illegal to discriminate against a job applicant or an employee because of the person's race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. It is also illegal to discriminate against a person because the person complained about discrimination, filed a charge of discrimination, or participated in an employment discrimination investigation or lawsuit.
Most employers with at least 15 employees are covered by EEOC laws (20 employees in age discrimination cases). Most labor unions and employment agencies are also covered.
The laws apply to all types of work situations, including hiring, firing, promotions, harassment, training, wages, and benefits
Then I guess I'll ask you the same question MaggieD opted to avoid addressing:
So then, how come an employer shouldn't be able to decide if skin color is job-related?
Ok, they're moving to change the law so that employers cant check credit scores. So once that becomes law, will that be ok?Shorter answer: It's the law.
Ok, they're moving to change the law so that employers cant check credit scores. So once that becomes law, will that be ok?
I'm saying that a private company should be legally allowed to hire and/or fire people for any reason they want. Be that race, gender, religion, hair color, painted fingernails, or shoe size.Just to clarify: Are you saying that an employer should be able to refuse to hire someone simply because they have the wrong skin color, even where it could be argued that skin color isn't part of a reasonable job description?
I can see where you'd want a certain skin color in, say, an actor. But to flip burgers, run gas pumps, or run a Fortune 500 company?
I'm saying that a private company should be legally allowed to hire and/or fire people for any reason they want. Be that race, gender, religion, hair color, painted fingernails, or shoe size.
Just to clarify: Are you saying that an employer should be able to refuse to hire someone simply because they have the wrong skin color, even where it could be argued that skin color isn't part of a reasonable job description?
I can see where you'd want a certain skin color in, say, an actor. But to flip burgers, run gas pumps, or run a Fortune 500 company?
Sure. If the employer doesn't want to hire someone because of their skin color, that means that person has the wrong skin color for that particular job with that particular employer. Why would you want to force businesses to hire people who are wrong for the situation?
I really don't like to hire left handed people to be offset press operators. You see, our offset press is designed for right handed people. I am not saying that a lefty could never do the job, but they are less likely to be as productive than a righty. Short people quite honestly don't make good press operators either, they often have to stand on a stool to make adjustments to the machine - that means that they waste time moving stools around. Why should I deny the opportunity to hire a tall right handed person just because the law could (potentially) say that you cant discriminate against short left handers?
If you were an asian who applied for a job working for a company owned by a mexican, and that mexican HATED asians, would it be fair to you as an employee to go to work in an enviroment that could be potentially hostile to you? Wouldn't it simply be better to be turned town for being the wrong race?
For every law that we create to fix a social injustice, we create an equal and opposit social injustice.
I think that employers should be able to decide based on skin color or age or sex or anything else they want to base employment qualifications on.
If an employer thinks that people with green hair make better employees, then that is what that employer should hire. It's really none of my business what another business does. If I don't like what they do, I dont have to work for them or do business with them. If they don't like my skin color then they shouldn't have to hire me.
Personally, I have no issue with hiring minorities. I have had blacks, asians and mexicans and euro-americans as employees. If they can do the job, then I will hire anyone. It is indeed fortunant that there are some people who will unfairly discriminate, but most employers dont do that. Don't punish me for some bad thing that some other employer did. The only way to truely prove that an employer is not hiring based on skin color is to have quotas - but if you have quotas, then that forces employers to hire based on skin color so it would be self defeating.
When I was a child I can remember my dad looking for a job and becoming infuriated when places advertised that they were an "equal opportunity employer" and that other term... ... ..., dang just forgot it, the one that ment that they gave preferance to minorities. Anyhow, you cant be both!
Quite honestly, one of our competitors has a sales lady who is absolutely beautiful. They get some businesses because she is beautiful. If I were a little more cutthroat of a business person, I would only hire beautify people to work with our customers. But I don't think that is right, so I dont do that. But if my competitor wants to do that, they more power to them.
You have got to be kidding me. Bad credit, in most, not all, instances, has everything to do with character.
No it does not. I've got a kid that works for me in my department now and he has an abyssmal credit check. But he was straight with me about it...he got credit cards in college, didn't know how to handle them, made bad choices and had to choose between his credit or his education. He's working on cleaning it all up now that he is out of school and he's a great kid. I'd trust him with just about anything. And his story is common with the way credit card companies threw cards at kids.
I can't stand idiotic people who refuse to think and analyze a situation on a human level and instead default to a number spat from a fax machine to tell them about someone's character. It's lazy, inhuman, cold and the kind of apathetic, moronic attitude that's at least 90% of what's wrong with the world today.
Those without the means to establish businesses of their own have to find employment in order to survive without the assistance of social programs. Since I don't think we necessarily want to guarantee either public assistance (assuming we have the tax revenues) OR employment (assuming any is available) to every citizen, we need to make make sure we're as fair as possible with both.
No, I'd rather that the owner were to conduct himself like a reasonable adult. :lol:
Does requiring businesses to hire just anyone who happens to apply for a job guarantee enough jobs for everyone? Do laws against discrimination actually prevent discrimination? How can you prove that a company discriminated against someone? If I was a white guy, and a black female got the job, how do I know that I wasn't discriminated against? If all companies were require to give preference to minorities would unemployment be any lower?
Personally, I started my business on $1,500. Now I would never recommend anyone to try that, but virtually everyone has the "means to establish bsuinesses". During the spring it seems like every ya-who with a lawn mower is starting a grass cutting business (they are all coming to us for business cards). It's actually possible to start a business with no resources other than your brain.
Me to. Sometimes not hiring someone that you know you will have ill feelings (for any reason) towards is conducting oneself like a reasonable adult.
I am quite sure that slave owners felt that they were robbed when they had to release slaves that they bought and paid for. I am not suggesting that slavery was right, it certainly wasn't.
But not allowing employers to choose the type of employees that they prefer is unfair to the employer and to job applicants. If you create laws that take away my right as a business owner to run my business the way I see fit, then you have infringed upon my rights.
We need fewer laws not more.
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