What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?
To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?
To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?
To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
Now that I've answered your questions in two different ways and to the best of my ability I'd like to ask you a question if you don't mind....
60k people trying to enter this country every month is a LOT of people. In fact that is more people than Coeur D'alene (50k population, the largest city closest to us). Yearly that's 720k people yearly which is larger than most regular sized cities in the US (Spokane WA for example has 208k population). Why wouldn't that be considered a crisis iyo?
Kal, the numbers bandied about are all over the map. 1000 a day, your number is 2000 a day. This Administration is all over numbers as well. This Administration had a majority in Congress for two years and now it is deemed a crisis?I am not for open borders, but I have yet to see a “concrete” plan. Which prototype does he like where? What about private land? Who will be hired to construct this wall? “The Wall” has become a rallying slogan. The latest 5.something billion is going to be spent how?
Actually the numbers are consistent. They've just been presented differently. When Trump gave his address he only spoke towards those that were apprehended. Which that 1000 is. I've just added the extra 1000 based on DHS stating that they base their figures on how many illegals are entering the US undetected by how many are apprehended.
As for why this is just now being called a crisis? :shrug: beats me. But for me it doesn't change whether or not it can be or should be considered as such. I've felt for years that it should be considered as such. In the end I'd imagine it comes down to politics really...at least when it comes to politicians.
As for the rest of your questions, I don't know exact details. Sorry.
But could you answer my question a bit more directly? I get what you said here but it doesn't really tell me why you personally think that it isn't a crisis? Perhaps I should rephrase and put your OP question to you...."What constitutes a “national emergency?“"....to you when it comes to illegal immigration?
This may well qualify as a “national emergency.” I view this the same way as the Syria pullout was announced. I am all for the troops coming home. Not the way it was approached.
This seems to be an underhanded way of running the country, and if Trump is successful, a dangerous precedent will be set.
All I can rely on is my news sources as I am far removed from the southern border, and I try not to buy into much of the editorializing. You are a ways away as well?
Now that I've answered your questions in two different ways and to the best of my ability I'd like to ask you a question if you don't mind....
60k people trying to enter this country every month is a LOT of people. In fact that is more people than Coeur D'alene (50k population, the largest city closest to us). Yearly that's 720k people yearly which is larger than most regular sized cities in the US (Spokane WA for example has 208k population). Why wouldn't that be considered a crisis iyo?
Kal, the numbers bandied about are all over the map. 1000 a day, your number is 2000 a day. This Administration is all over numbers as well. This Administration had a majority in Congress for two years and now it is deemed a crisis?I am not for open borders, but I have yet to see a “concrete” plan. Which prototype does he like where? What about private land? Who will be hired to construct this wall? “The Wall” has become a rallying slogan. The latest 5.something billion is going to be spent how?
Okay, let's keep it simple. Are these people crossing the border legal or illegal? Just answer that.
What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?
To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
Trump definitely does things his way. And I often don't agree with how he approaches and gets things done, even if I do agree with him on the fact that the thing he wants done needs done.
And yep, I'm FAR away from the southern border. Right next to the Canadian border in fact.
Now to answer your question as it regards the Wall and him using his Emergency Powers to build it.
I don't honestly know.
While I personally might view 60k per month of illegals attempting to enter our country illegally as a crisis this does not mean that Congress or the law will see it as such.
Trump is going to have to prove that there is an emergency based off of what is in existing law. I do not know the law well enough to know if there is a provision in existing law that allows for the type of emergency that Trump is referring to. If he can't then he has no standing to declare this an emergency and will be shot down by the courts.
If however he can tie it to existing law then he can declare an emergency and the courts (assuming no bias getting involved which frankly now a days I doubt) will not shoot him down.
However if Congress disagree's with Trump and regardless if he can tie it to existing law, Congress can over ride it with a simple majority vote and a Presidential signature OR with a 2/3rds vote that will over ride Trumps ability to Veto.
Yes, as POTUS he has the power to declare an emergency. (The government does not have "rights").
As for what constitutes an "emergency"....well....that can be subjective.
IMO......
According to DHS roughly 30k people per month are apprehended trying to cross into the US. The government also bases how many illegal aliens are in the country on how many people are apprehended at the border. So essentially we have 60k people trying to enter the US illegally every month with half of them being caught and the other half making it into the US undetected. Is this less than in previous years? Yes it is. Does that mean its not a crisis? Nope. If a town gets fully flooded one year and then the next 2 years only 3/4ths of the town gets flooded and then the next 3 years it only gets half flooded that does not mean that it still cannot to be considered a crisis. 60k people attempting to enter the US monthly which adds up to 720k per year with half of that succeeding is most definitely a crisis.
The national emergency POTUS power is not in the constitution at all - it is in a law passed by congress in 1976.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act
Which brings up a good question, Does Congress have the power to grant the POTUS powers not defined in Article 2 of the Constitution. In my opinion, NO, for the powers of all 3 branches of the government are defined within the Constitution, for Congress to add to or take way from those powers would require a change in the Constitution and Congress does not that the power to amend the Constitution via legislation.
I think what constitutes a "crisis" or an "emergency" is pretty broad. An enemy attack, a severe storm or other natural disaster, the opioid epidemic, pipeline ruptures, among other things, all could be termed emergencies or crises. I also think people clinging to the "apprehensions are at record lows" ignore the fact that, as you said we're still taking a quarter of a million people each year.Yes, as POTUS he has the power to declare an emergency. (The government does not have "rights").
As for what constitutes an "emergency"....well....that can be subjective.
IMO......
According to DHS roughly 30k people per month are apprehended trying to cross into the US. The government also bases how many illegal aliens are in the country on how many people are apprehended at the border. So essentially we have 60k people trying to enter the US illegally every month with half of them being caught and the other half making it into the US undetected. Is this less than in previous years? Yes it is. Does that mean its not a crisis? Nope. If a town gets fully flooded one year and then the next 2 years only 3/4ths of the town gets flooded and then the next 3 years it only gets half flooded that does not mean that it still cannot to be considered a crisis. 60k people attempting to enter the US monthly which adds up to 720k per year with half of that succeeding is most definitely a crisis.
Obviously congress has that power - see Social Security and the Education Department. You seem to hold the POTUS as some separate entity completely apart from the rest of the executive branch and the multitude of "rule" making that it does on a regular basis with the full blessing of congress. Congress passes loads of "fill in the blank" legislation virtually requiring the executive branch to "help" make law. How do you think that DACA became "the law of the land"? Hint: it was never passed by congress.
The POTUS is separate from the other 2 branches of the government, the executive branch does not include Congress or the Judicial branch. The SS Act and the Education department were created under the bastardized interpretation of the General Welfare Clause. Congress was not granted the power to rewrite the Constitution nor does it have the authority to grants itself or any other branch of the government extra powers. Congress powers are spelled out in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Any power not granted to the federal government are reserved to the People and the States. This is how we modify our Constitution, through the consent of the people and the States, and not through any legislation that Congress can come up with.
The POTUS is separate from the other 2 branches of the government, the executive branch does not include Congress or the Judicial branch. The SS Act and the Education department were created under the bastardized interpretation of the General Welfare Clause. Congress was not granted the power to rewrite the Constitution nor does it have the authority to grants itself or any other branch of the government extra powers. Congress powers are spelled out in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Any power not granted to the federal government are reserved to the People and the States. This is how we modify our Constitution, through the consent of the people and the States, and not through any legislation that Congress can come up with.
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