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Embryonic Stem Cells Cure Some Blindness

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BRITISH scientists have developed the world’s first stem cell therapy to cure the most common cause of blindness. Surgeons predict it will become a routine, one-hour procedure that will be generally available in six or seven years’ time.

The treatment involves replacing a layer of degenerated cells with new ones created from embryonic stem cells. It was pioneered by scientists and surgeons from the Institute of Ophthalmology at University College London and Moorfields eye hospital.

This week Pfizer, the world’s largest pharmaceutical research company, will announce its financial backing to bring the therapy to patients.

The treatment will tackle age-related macular degeneration (AMD), the most common cause of blindness. It affects more than 500,000 Britons and the number is forecast to increase significantly as people live longer. The disease involves the loss of eye cells.

Under the new treatment, embryonic stem cells are transformed into replicas of the missing cells. They are then placed on an artificial membrane which is inserted in the back of the retina.

Tom Bremridge, chief executive of the Macular Disease Society, said: “This is a huge step forward for patients. We are extremely pleased that the big guns have become involved, because, once this treatment is validated, it will be made available to a huge volume of patients.”

Embryonic stem cells have the ability to develop into all types of body tissue. Their use is controversial, however, because it involves the destruction of human embryos.

Blind to be cured with stem cells - Times Online

Wow, can you imagine such a breakthrough and the treatment being open to many.
Go Embryonic Stem Cells :2wave:
 
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Embryonic Stem Cells Cure Some Blindness and make one walk on the waters. What else that can be new that we can hear from scientists? How else can crooks extort money from the public? Embryonic Stem Cells Cure Some Blindness and make your hair grow back. They always have witnesses who say - ‘2 weeks ago I was 150 pounds, the slim fast program let me loose 30 pounds in two weeks’. What else is new since O. Henry’s descriptions of the public buying in ? O. Henry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Disregarding any and all looney toons, this is great. Best of luck to the scientists and surgeons perfecting this cure; the sooner the better. I know people with Macular degeneration, it's a nasty thing.


Duke, Friend of Doctors Everywhere
 
Extortionists often manipulate with best human emotions. Researchers remain skeptical and do not let emotions take over rational. It does not mean that they are bad people, it is just their duty.
 
You mean like researchers such as the ones here?


Duke
 
You mean like researchers such as the ones here?


Duke

Don't mind him Duke, justone is our residential conspiracy theorist, who thinks that scientists are conspiring to con the world out of money and spreading lies and immorality.
 
You mean like researchers such as the ones here?


Duke

Here there is one justone researcher; of course I mean researchers in general. How it is difficult for to understand a simple sentence for some I don't know.
 
Don't mind him Duke, justone is our residential conspiracy theorist, who thinks that scientists are conspiring to con the world out of money and spreading lies and immorality.

In my young years I would call for duel, in my later years I would just hit your in the chin, in my middle years I would file an all straight forward defamation laws suit against you, now when I am so old and rules have changed so much all I can do is to press the button to report the defamation.

I prove to people with healthy mentality how dishonest and repulsive is the way evolutionists debate, if their actions can ever be called a participation in a debate.
 
I prove to people with healthy mentality how dishonest and repulsive is the way evolutionists debate, if their actions can ever be called a participation in a debate.

LOL, just LOL.:2funny: Yeah we are all lying to the world about evolution, its all nonsense, and I don't know why we lie its just that we find it funny all you creationists pointing at the bible/koran furrowing your brows, sucking your teeth and scratching your heads just to make sense of it all.

Ladies and gentlemen, the scientist (religous and atheist) conspiracy as been unmasked, we have dedicated 150 years of our time lying to the public about evolution because....emmmmmm :confused: little help?

Justone tell you religous mentor (or whoever you have found this revelation from) that he is has done is work well, blowing apart the greatest conspiracy of all time.
 
I was kind of hoping for bionic eyes, to be honest.

Kinda like cyborg eyes? Sci fi my friend, sci fi, we are more likely just to grow new eyes from our cheeks cells or use stem cells. Unless you want indestructable eyes, that have x-ray vision (that would be cooool).
 
LOL, just LOL.:2funny: Yeah we are all lying to the world about evolution, its all nonsense, and I don't know why we lie its just that we find it funny all you creationists pointing at the bible/koran furrowing your brows, sucking your teeth and scratching your heads just to make sense of it all.

Ladies and gentlemen, the scientist (religous and atheist) conspiracy as been unmasked, we have dedicated 150 years of our time lying to the public about evolution because....emmmmmm :confused: little help?

Justone tell you religous mentor (or whoever you have found this revelation from) that he is has done is work well, blowing apart the greatest conspiracy of all time.

Now you in a total hysteric. It is not even worth to report all this trollish foaming. It is not like you would ever be able to defend evolution in a debate isn't it? It is not like any evolutionist has been able to defend evolution in a debate, isn't it?. They start from ad homs and breaking laws [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation]Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] and finish with ad homs.

Can you link to your false claims about me?

Should I link to the debate where you cut and run? Where you claimed to be a biologist and couldn't understand a simple question and couldn't do basic arithmetics? Why don't you go back and post an answer instead of wondering around, getting drunk and roll in hysterics?

Should I link to a number of debates where evolutionists have demonstrated to be helpless against basic facts and basic logic? Where they alswys started from little insults went through hysteric and finished with insults or cut and run?

Drunk or not you are demonstrating an example of human undecency here.
 
Now you in a total hysteric. It is not even worth to report all this trollish foaming. It is not like you would ever be able to defend evolution in a debate isn't it? It is not like any evolutionist has been able to defend evolution in a debate, isn't it?. They start from ad homs and breaking laws Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and finish with ad homs.

Can you link to your false claims about me?

Should I link to the debate where you cut and run? Where you claimed to be a biologist and couldn't understand a simple question and couldn't do basic arithmetics? Why don't you go back and post an answer instead of wondering around, getting drunk and roll in hysterics?

Should I link to a number of debates where evolutionists have demonstrated to be helpless against basic facts and basic logic? Where they alswys started from little insults went through hysteric and finished with insults or cut and run?

Drunk or not you are demonstrating an example of human undecency here.

...speaking of trolls. When did this discussion ever became about evolution? The first person to WRONGLY assess the discussion of this thread, and the first one to speak about evolution, was you.

This thread is about a particular advancement in stem cell technology. NOT evolution.

Troll.
 
Now you in a total hysteric. It is not even worth to report all this trollish foaming. It is not like you would ever be able to defend evolution in a debate isn't it? It is not like any evolutionist has been able to defend evolution in a debate, isn't it?. They start from ad homs and breaking laws Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and finish with ad homs.

Can you link to your false claims about me?

Should I link to the debate where you cut and run? Where you claimed to be a biologist and couldn't understand a simple question and couldn't do basic arithmetics? Why don't you go back and post an answer instead of wondering around, getting drunk and roll in hysterics?

Should I link to a number of debates where evolutionists have demonstrated to be helpless against basic facts and basic logic? Where they alswys started from little insults went through hysteric and finished with insults or cut and run?

Drunk or not you are demonstrating an example of human undecency here.

LOL. no not hysterics, its called being sarcastic. I'm just showing how absurd your claims are. It is a conspiracy theory.

I didn't cut and run. I went on holiday for a few weeks, came back and figured out (like many creationists) you are not worth the trouble justone. Creationists live in a reality of their own, like conspiracy theorists. I could tell a 9/11 truther that 9/11 was done by Islamic terrorists, I still wouldn't be able to change their minds, no matter what I did. Your the same. This is not an evolution thread and when I call out your hostility to scientists trying to cure people you go into default mode and scream EVOLTUION at the top of your lungs. I have seen yout type before justone, its really not worth my effort.

Your whole idea is that 99% of scientists in the world, atheist and religious scientists that accept evolution through natural selection as a scientific theory are in cahoots together and they have dedicated 150 years of their work to spread lies teaching evoltion is real when its not. Why would they do such a thing? I must know justone, what is it? I'm all ears.

Can't you step back and see how incredible riduculous that sounds? If not, you are lost.
 
...speaking of trolls. When did this discussion ever became about evolution? The first person to WRONGLY assess the discussion of this thread, and the first one to speak about evolution, was you.

This thread is about a particular advancement in stem cell technology. NOT evolution.

Troll.

Some religious people's default mode when you critcise them is they attack evolution, happens all the time.

He/she attacked scientists trying to cure blindness, his dislike runs deep. Yet Science has given him/her so much bounty, he might have not been born alive without medical science
 
Should I link to the debate where you cut and run? Where you claimed to be a biologist and couldn't understand a simple question and couldn't do basic arithmetics? Why don't you go back and post an answer instead of wondering around, getting drunk and roll in hysterics?

Just slept on it. Isn't that the thread where you asked for one scientific publication that supported speciation and when I gave you many (over 100)scientific publications that support speciation you went into a hissy fit claiming they do not support speciation without even reading them?

And evolutionists are the dishonest ones? :confused:
 
When did this discussion ever became about evolution?
Since you run from a tread about evolution and get back to me on another tread instead, I have no choice. I hunt evolutionists in any form they take and in any place they show up. If an evolutionist cuts and runs from the tread about evolution and shows up on another tread in a form of a troll it is not my choice. I hunt him down as easy as I do on treads about evolution. Aim, shoot, hear squealing. Terminate. No laser or bionic eye is needed. Can do it with my eyes closed.
This thread is about a particular advancement in stem cell technology.

This tread is about an article, a public announcement, an appeal to a crowd.





...Troll.

You did not have to sign your post.
 
LOL. no not hysterics, its called being sarcastic.

It is called being defamation, I provided a link. It is an unlawful activity. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation]Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] ''In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel (for written publications), slander (for spoken word), and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. With the exception of the moderator team of DP jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.''



I'm just showing how absurd your claims are.

What claims? Link, quote. It is the simplest question, I am repeating it the 2nd time: can you provide one, justone link or quote of my claims you refer to?

It is a conspiracy theory.

What is? It is the simplest question.

I didn't cut and run. I went on holiday for a few weeks,

This is not an evolution thread so why are getting back to me here but not on the evolution tread? I was waiting for 2 months.

came back and figured out (like many creationists) you are not worth the trouble justone.
‘’you are not worth’’ - is a stamp of cut and run. Oh, how pathetic and indecent is this cliché of losers. Oh, those Creationists, what can I say, they are not worth…. Oh, those atheists….. I have seen a lot of them, what can I say, they are not worth… Oh those liberals, what can I say, they are not worth… Oh, those who argue to me, I have seen a lot of them… they are not worth.

Creationists live in a reality of their own, like conspiracy theorists.
I could tell a 9/11 truther that 9/11 was done by Islamic terrorists, I still wouldn't be able to change their minds, no matter what I did.

What do I have to do to you problems with somebody somewhere?


Your the same.

-No you are the same.
-No you are the same.
-No you are the same.

…kindergarten mentality.


when I call out your hostility to scientists trying to cure people you go into default mode and scream EVOLTUION at the top of your lungs.


You did not call out my hostility to scientists trying to cure people, neither I ever would be hostile or even negative towards scientists trying to cure people. You came here with the straight forward defamation straight from the debate about evolution where I was waiting for you for 2 months.

I have seen yout type before justone, its really not worth my effort.

Oh, how pathetic is this cliché of losers. Oh those atheists….. what can I say, they are not worth… Oh those liberals, what can I say, they are not worth… Oh, those who argue to me, I have seen a lot of them… they are not worth.

Your whole idea is that 99% of scientists in the world, atheist and religious scientists that accept evolution through natural selection as a scientific theory are in cahoots together and they have dedicated 150 years of their work to spread lies teaching evoltion is real when its not.

Please, link, quote me ever expressing such an idea. Can you provide one, justone link or quote? If you can’t you are not only making a false statement. You are making a false statement that in civilized society can only be defined as defamation. In a civilized society defamation is punished – especially upon a demand of the subject of defamation. Thus as it continued unpunished and uninterrupted an on DP in spite of the demand, any claim of mods about any civility is proven to be false.


I was waiting for you on the tread about evolution. I was waiting you to answer a simple question. That’s all. All I did I asked you a simple question. Nothing else. I answered all your questions. I did not have any questions to you but one justone. The next thing is - after 2 months - you show up here with total lies made up about me.

I do not say that you live in your own world. I prove it: I worked in Academy of Science for years. I never heard any scientist mentioning the word evolution except in a meaning not related to biology. I participated in experiments of all kinds, I drunk wine with them, shared lunch them, played ping pong on lunch breaks. 99% of them knew about evolution no more than I did and did not care. They had to pass the state exam on the scientific atheism and the scientific communism in order to be eligible fore the PhD title, and I bet, if asked a good part of them would tell you that evolution is a part of the scientific atheism. Even on DP there are very few who would think that a PhD in the scientific communism is a scientist. And those PhDs in scientific communism were as foaming as you are if were asked a simple question. People who dared to ask were put in mental clinics. And most people did not care. Like you and mods try to represent me like somebody who should be put a mental clinic and nobody cares here. However overwhelming is the evidence for you and many others, no my friend, I am in the right mind and it is your destination which is the same as of PhDs from scientific communism - in the garbage of history; however you feel yourself bringing humanity to the bright future like they were feeling themselves - all right and correct and in the overwhelming majority you will end in the garbage. Was it a conspiracy that brought them to be in the overwhelming majority?

Even then the overwhelming majority of scientists were doing science. You wouldn’t even understand a line from a page, - they were producing thousands of pages. And they were not putting up press conferences and shaking those pages in front of crowds of ignoramuses claiming that their theory is the only one which ‘’is eternal because it is true’’. PhDs from communism were. And millions believed. The overwhelming majority believed. A lot of scientists did, too. All of it is in the garbage of history now. Scientists were doing science like tradesmen and like tradesman they did not appeal to the public in their discussions how to make shoes. I did not even know that Zeldovich Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia worked in the next building next to ours until he died and they decided to put up a memorial. Zeldovich was producing real things. His theories made real things to happen.

You are defaming me and you are defaming scientists. You are garbage of science. No medicine ever produced had any use of evolution. No surgery including ones done on brain and heart had any use of evolution. No breed of animals or agriculture had any use of evolution. Except for scientific atheism you have been of no use for humanity for all 150 years., but all a pile of garbage

Why would they do such a thing? I must know justone, what is it? I'm all ears.

Why do evolutionists do such thing? Why should I care? Why neither you nor any other evolutionist have been able to answer the simplest question? Why you did not understand it for whole number of posts and I had chew and chew and chew on it so would you be able to swallow and then cut and run? Why should I care? I establish the fact that you do such things. I establish the fact that all evolutionists I debate do such things. I establish the fact that you committed a crime, and why you did you do, why other millions do is not my problem, is not my task. If I cannot answer why it does not mean you did not do. If I cannot answer why you cannot post a link or a quote of ridiculous claims you say I make it does not make such claims to exist. It establishes the fact that such claims do not exist. It establishes the fact that you have broken laws of human decency.


I would t you step back and see how incredible riduculous that sounds? If not, you are lost.

There always be scientists and there always be charlatans and extortionists and crowds of ignoramuses fooled around. But neither Nature nor I are lost or do care about such absurd and abstract constructs as ‘’the scientific consensus’’ and ‘’the overwhelming majority of scientists’’, in the same way as the planet Earth and the star Sun do not care about ’the scientific consensus’’ on global warming and crowds of ignoramuses believing in it. In an August 2000 Harris poll, 72% said they "believe[d] the theory" of global warming. Friday, April 17, 2009 Just one-out-of-three voters (34%) now believe global warming is caused by human activity, the lowest finding yet in Rasmussen Reports national surveying.‘’the overwhelming majority of scientists’’ is another name for charlatans and extortionists from science.
 
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Just slept on it. Isn't that the thread where you asked for one scientific publication that supported speciation and when I gave you many (over 100)scientific publications that support speciation you went into a hissy fit claiming they do not support speciation without even reading them?

And evolutionists are the dishonest ones? :confused:
It is the tread where I asked you for one, just one link for a peer reviewed publication claiming an observation of speciation. Where I had to spend post after post trying to explain to such a simple question, and still you produced all kind of totally irrelevant things but not even one justone I was asking for.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/scien...falsehoods-creationism-20.html#post1057928654

There has been no evolutionist in my practice who would be able to understand the simplest question:

provide one justone link to a peer reviewed publication claiming an observation of speciation.

Just post a link, so that everyone can click on it and read the article

To make it easier for you this link: Observed Instances of Speciation has a whole list which includes a whole bunch of peer reviewed articles. I am not even asking for such a fairness of not submitting an article from an evolutionist magazine where scientists do not publish their works. I am asking for one, justone article a peer reviewed scientific publication, so I can read and review it. Can you understand?

this link has a list too:


[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation]Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise. There are four modes of natural speciation, based on the extent to which speciating populations are geographically isolated from one another: allopatric, peripatric, parapatric, and sympatric. Speciation may also be induced artificially, through animal husbandry or laboratory experiments. Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout.[1] .

From those lists or from anywhere else pick and post one justone link, so that everyone can click on it, read the article








and see that you are cheating again, that there is no claim of an observation of speciation in the article.
 
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