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Election police? A couple of states controlled by republicans now want election police to ferret out voter fraud.

OrphanSlug said:
Of course there is meaningful difference, a great difference on just an ID to vote against the nature of these legislation intentions in Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arizona, etc. after Trump’s loss and the big lie.

Now you are backtracking.

What Republicans are doing today is doubling down on the idea of politicians picking voters, and we should call that shit out for what it is.
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Gibberish. Get out and vote.
 
Luther said:
Oh, Not one picture of a Founding Father in a HISTORY class(Evil white men)

All pictures of the oppressed, and other LIBERAL agenda ONLY
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And this should be illegal?
 
NatMorton said:
No, the change you cited does not make voting "much more difficult" unless you believe those voting in Georgia are incompetent rubes who can't find a polling station or organize their affairs such that they can find time to vote on or before election day. It's as if people have lost their minds over this issue.
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Of you think closing 6 out of 7 stations in a large rural district with no public transportation and no increase in voting times doesn't make it much more difficult for a working person with no car then you don't. Nothing I have to say is going to change your mind.

I have found it interesting that majority of people who express opinions such as your post above are generally retired, self employed, have at least one vehicle and very often enjoy the ease of State wide mail I voting and ease of access to drop boxes etc. Not saying that is you .....
 
NatMorton said:
No, for example, the Democrats have been calling plans for voter ID laws "voter supression" for far longer than that. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now. The only difference is that perhaps they've turned up the volume.

Only your arrogance has you convinced I'm being dishonest here. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am telling you what I think.
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OrphanSlug said:
Of course there is meaningful difference, a great difference on just an ID to vote against the nature of these legislation intentions in Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arizona, etc. after Trump’s loss and the big lie.

Now you are backtracking.

What Republicans are doing today is doubling down on the idea of politicians picking voters, and we should call that shit out for what it is.
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Voter ID is a BS wedge issue that both parties use to keep us divided, arguing amongst ourselves, and thus controllable.

Rs claim voter IDs would lead to better integrity in the voting process.
Ds claim voter IDs would lead to fewer people being able to vote.

A solution to the problem that satisfies both sides is so simple that they must be intentionally avoiding it: Provide IDs (and infinite replacements) to every last registered voter in the country, and hand-deliver them straight into their hands if necessary, at exactly zero cost to the voter. How hard is that?
 
Callen said:
I have found it interesting that majority of people who express opinions such as your post above are generally retired, self employed, have at least one vehicle and very often enjoy the ease of State wide mail I voting and ease of access to drop boxes etc. Not saying that is you .....
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I am neither.

Get out and vote. Nothing is stopping you.
 
bongsaway said:
Election police? Is that another nicer term for the gestapo?
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political rhetoric to make voters believe anti American ALEC GOP right wing nuts are super patriots to which I say is exactly the opposite. These are the NOT patriots that invaded capitol hill on jan 6th and broke laws
galore not are wanting a pardon. To which I say pardon me boys and girls let me step out of the way so as not to impede your steps on your way to prison.
 
bongsaway said:
Election police? Is that another nicer term for the gestapo?
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The Orange Turd caused so much mistrust in our election systems that I don't know how else to satisfy these people than to implement more secondary and tertiary safeguards. As long as they can't be used for dishonest and sinister activities, of course. That would defeat the whole purpose. So I don't see anything inherently wrong with an idea like this in concept, but at least one critic of the proposed bill (a local voting rights group) says the bill doesn't have enough safeguards to keep it from being politicized and weaponized. :/
 
NatMorton said:
Since when has the political left ever needed evidence to levy a charge of voter suppression?
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Since when have Trumpulicans needed an excuse to act like America is a third world shit hole. They don't trust our government, they don't trust voters, they use violence to voice their opinions, I mean, why not just leave? Your paranoia is coming true because of how you guys act, not because it was true in the first place.
This militia fantasy is getting out of control. IMO.
 
There definitely was an attempt to steal the 2020 election. It included fake lists of electors, attempts to coerce election officials to "find" votes, phony court cases, attempts to pressure the DOJ to say there was widespread fraud even though the AG knew that was untrue and an attempt to get the VP to act unconstitutionally. There was a focus on stealing the election and it was by Republicans not by voters.
 
NatMorton said:
Where there is election fraud, who should "ferret it out," the League of Women Voters?
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Let's ask Carl Sagan.

"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin[4]) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."

And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

I say we get Sagan's dragon to do the investigative work.

(Clue: there are multiple levels of checks to prevent voter fraud. We don't need no stinkin' non-existent dragons to catch non-existent voter fraud. Y'all just look silly at this point. By next week, you'll have advanced to delusional. Y'all's choice.)
 
Ginger Ale said:
Since when have Trumpulicans needed an excuse to act like America is a third world shit hole. They don't trust our government, they don't trust voters, they use violence to voice their opinions, I mean, why not just leave? Your paranoia is coming true because of how you guys act, not because it was true in the first place.
This militia fantasy is getting out of control. IMO.
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Standing ovation with added applause applause applause......love it.
 
Razoo said:
political rhetoric to make voters believe anti American ALEC GOP right wing nuts are super patriots to which I say is exactly the opposite. These are the NOT patriots that invaded capitol hill on jan 6th and broke laws
galore and are wanting a pardon. To which I say pardon me boys and girls let me step out of the way so as not to impede your steps on your way to prison.
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For a group that professes less government each we turn a corner these anti american manipulated soldiers
and their manipulative leadership are pushing more big brother and gov't bureaucracy on USA voters.

A right wing designed Voter ID will come with reason to be apprehensive, not necessary, will cost many many many tax dollars which could be applied to Single Payer Health Insurance for All aka something useful and in demand by taxpayers.

In spite of right wing insistence that there is significant voter fraud we do know that conservatives are the ones being busted for voter fraud. To which I say clean up your own backyards then promptly move to
Saudi Arabia, Russia or China to entertain your love of fascism and dictatorships.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

We have police task forces that focus an all kinds of specific crimes. Why not a task force that focuses on election fraud?
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1642868756842.webp Here you go.
 
Ginger Ale said:
Looking at whose been messing with elections, I think this stuff will bite Republicans in the ass.
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No, think about it. They want the fox to guard the henhouse.
 
NatMorton said:
As I've said before, if the Republicans' aim is to suppress the vote, the vote totals in the last national election cycle prove they are spectacularly ineffective at doing it.
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Thus their redoubled and tripled efforts now.
 
NatMorton said:
Faux issue.
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Agreed. Non-existent voter fraud is a faux issue.

Do you generally waste time, energy, effort and money on ghosts? Do you? Do you change the oil in your vehicle every week? You know, just in case. Do you have a bunker in your back yard? You know, nuclear war. How many locks on your front door? 50? 100? Who knows, right?

THE REALITY OF GHOSTS IS PROVEN BY THE FACT WE CANNOT DETECT THEM

Run with that. I never tire of laughing.
 
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