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Elderly Knoxville Woman Dies After Complete Failure of Hospital and Police

Superfly

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Y’all - this has ****ed me up. I watched this earlier today, not knowing just how bad it would get.

It’s bad. It’s really bad. If you can read it without watching the video, that’s the best way, because if you watch how this poor woman was treated, it’s gonna sit in the pit of your stomach like a lead ball.

She begged them. Pleaded with them. “Please. I had a stroke. I can’t breathe. Help me.” Their response? They said she was faking it, and they manhandled her and dragged her into the back of a police van - where she died.

This won’t leave me for a long time.

Family of Lisa Edwards says Knoxville Police ‘negligent’ with ‘no respect for human life’

The family of a Tennessee woman who died in police custody is speaking out after police video showing what happened between Knoxville officers arresting a woman at a hospital and her being found un…
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I hate to say it but I think she died from being too old and too fat.
 
Argent said:
Do you often say things you hate? There are times when thoughts generated in one's brain should not come out one's mouth and this was one of them.
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Yeah - I almost responded, but then just realized that some people aren’t worth the effort.

You read a story like that, or worse - watch the ****ing video - and this is what you come away with?
 
Superfly said:
Yeah - I almost responded, but then just realized that some people aren’t worth the effort.
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I grok. There are times when I know that sometimes letting things be is the wiser option and yet....and yet....my inner social justice woke warrior kicks wisdom in the arse
 
Are you suggesting that mere police officers, who don't have any graduate level education and may not have even finished college, should have questioned what they were told by medical experts, who I've been assured for three years are virtually infallible?
 
Haven't watched the video - unlike many I don't get off on watching people die - but it's not clear from the description what the police officers should've done differently.
 
Argent said:
I grok. There are times when I know that sometimes letting things be is the wiser option and yet....and yet....my inner social justice woke warrior kicks wisdom in the arse
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Ooof. I know. I’ve gotten more gigs here just by not keeping my ****ing mouth shut when I knew I needed to.
 
AmNat said:
Haven't watched the video - unlike many I don't get off on watching people die - but it's not clear from the description what the police officers should've done differently.
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Well they didn’t have to drag her away from the steps of the hospital when she said she had a broken ankle and a stroke.

They could have gotten her medical help when she told them she couldn’t breathe and they could not find her inhaler in her purse.

They could have believed her when she told them she needed medical help.

They could have taken note when she started becoming more pale.

They could have paid attention when she told them she’d had a stroke, and then started slurring her words.

They could have paid attention when she told them that they were going to kill her.

They could have stopped accusing her of faking her Illness, just because the doctor released her (he released her because she had no insurance).

They maybe didn’t have to say they were “going to stuff her in,” and they were going to “get her in one way or the other,” and maybe they didn’t have to tell her they were tired of her deadweight crap.

Maybe they didn’t have to plan to take her to the detention center all because she was still sick and didn’t want to leave the hospital.

They could have not taken 4 men and dragged her by the arms into the back of the van and left her laying there on the metal floor while she cried, begged for help, and then died of - yes, another stroke.
 
Superfly said:
They could have believed her when she told them she needed medical help.
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You're saying they should have believed an old woman, who may never have gone to college and was probably a Republican, over medical experts, who have academic credentials and are made infallible by Science?
 
What precisely are police supposed to do when a hospital tells them that someone is medically fine but won't leave the premises? Saying "they should have gotten her medical attention" is cheap when the "medical attention" said she was faking it. And in any case it seems they did get take her back after she passed out.
 
No they called an ambulance after she died. Big difference.

And the reason they wouldn’t see her was because she had no insurance.

Did you even read the article? I’m guessing you didn’t.
 
From what I read (I didn’t see any video), the most likely situation was that she was uninsured, unable to pay for care and EMTALA allows her release from emergency care when deemed to be stable. The police were apparently told by medical ‘experts’ that she was not in need of life saving medical care.
 
AmNat said:
You're saying they should have believed an old woman, who may never have gone to college and was probably a Republican, over medical experts, who have academic credentials and are made infallible by Science?
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You ****ing kidding me? Wow.

Only took 10 posts for somebody to turn this political.
 

And apparently they were wrong. She’d already had one stroke and started slurring her words again. Clear signs of another stroke.
 
Superfly said:
No they called an ambulance after she died. Big difference.

And the reason they wouldn’t see her was because she had no insurance.

Did you even read the article? I’m guessing you didn’t.
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I did read the article. And others resulting from a Google search of her name. The article you linked does not mention either of those claims.
 
Superfly said:
And apparently they were wrong. She’d already had one stroke and started slurring her words again. Clear signs of another stroke.
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OK, but the police aren’t medical professionals. If the medical ’experts’ were wrong then they can be sued for malpractice, but trying to blame the police for taking the word of medical ‘experts’ who demanded her removal from their hospital isn’t justified.
 

Ok I was wrong. Maybe you should watch the video. Get back to me when you do.
 

Can the police who treated her like shit be sued? Personally, like a doctor?
 
Superfly said:
After watching that video, they should not only be sued - they should be prosecuted.
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Unlike "medical experts", the police officers have qualified immunity...
 
Superfly said:
Ok I was wrong. Maybe you should watch the video. Get back to me when you do.
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I don’t need to watch a video to know that medical care ‘experts’ asked the police to remove her from the hospital for trespassing and that the police complied with that request (demand?). My point is simply that it was wrong to expect police to not respect the ‘expert’ medical opinion(s) of hospital staff.

It appears that the medical examiner ruled the woman’s death was from ‘natural causes’, thus nobody is going to be criminally charged. That was my rationale for suggesting taking civil (malpractice) action against the medical ‘experts’ who decided to have her ‘evicted’ from the hospital despite her assertions that she needed emergency (like saving?) medical care.
 
I bet the hospital and the cops would not have dared been so callous if the lady had been of another ethnicity.
 
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