Wrong.
Zionism is the national movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland.
Since the Jewish homeland was established like, over 61 years ago, today Zionism simply refers to being pro-Israeli.
Claiming that it refers to Israel's "political expansionism" is quite hilarious, seeing that Israel has given away over 33% of its lands from post-Six-Day-War in 1967, till today, something that one cannot associate with expansionism.
Calling it an expansionist is even more laughable than calling Venezuela a Democracy.
The shock of Yom Kippur was more of a militarily strategic shock and not political shock.Indeed, Israel has withdrawn as its zionist dreams died on the vine after the shock of Yom Kippur and the pressure of post intifada politics.
Homeland, not land, those two are different and once you understand the difference you may understand how wrong you are in your claims.Ill grant you that zionism's flavour has changed somewhat to an extent but its element has always been to gain as much land as possible from its beginnings - thats what the project was about after all - land.
The concept of irony is lost on you. Oh well.Oh dry up.
Your random attack on a word used to insult Israelis is lame and uncool.
Please do grow up.
That does not make it correct. If people use a word incorrectly and in a derogatory fashion, they are to blame. This does not, however, change the actual definition of the word. I am truly saddened that you are struggling to comprehend such a simple concept.The Arabs use that word in a fashion that is meant to be insulting. That makes it inappropriate and offensive.
Zionism has ended as to what it was, the 'Zionist dream', as you name it, was accomplished in 1948 and since then Zionism simply refers to being pro-Israeli.
The concept of irony is lost on you. Oh well.
That does not make it correct. If people use a word incorrectly and in a derogatory fashion, they are to blame. This does not, however, change the actual definition of the word. I am truly saddened that you are struggling to comprehend such a simple concept.
You're not disagreeing with me, but instead, disagreeing with the Dictionary and English language. :shrug:Says you.
I do not agree.
I'm not aware of any acts of terrorism that the present Iranian administration has engaged in, certainly not on the basis of being "Islamic." Conversely, I'm aware that Israel has previously been governed by terrorist figures such as Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir.
You're referring to a misquote of Ahmedinejad mentioning that Israel shall not be recognized even from a cartographic POV as a territory in the middle east.
Israel wages a daily war on palestine and its civilians btw.
You failed to do you research: Hezbollah has not committed an act of terror in decades.
You're not disagreeing with me, but instead, disagreeing with the Dictionary and English language. :shrug:
No, I am disagreeing with your rather naive opinion of the sitution that we previously discussed.
The word refers to a person who supports self determination for Jewish people in their ancestral homeland.
Actually, the early political development of Zionism was somewhat detached from the religious components of the term and the association with Mount Zion, particularly since Herzl himself did not promote the prospect of establishment in Palestine in The Jewish State. The association with Palestine was a later development in the political ideology itself.
I never said anything about religion.
I referred to Jewish people in terms of ethnicity.
And Zionism originated as a theologically-based movement associated with the standard religion of the Jewish ethnic group. In that sense, there was interest in revival of a formal Jewish community of one form or another in Palestine, but there was no specific interest in Palestine in Zionism's early political manifestation.
Ugh, wrong, please stop posting what you clearly know nothing about.
2 a : a reason given in proof or rebuttal b : discourse intended to persuade
3 a : the act or process of arguing : argumentation b : a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion
I just joined this forum, and this post is so stupid its enough to make me regret coming here.
I believe that you might be the same person using this moniker on several other forum boards across the web.
My suggestion, despite being new, is really stop spewing this garbage and saudi-driven propaganda. It is irritating just to have to see it over and over.
WRONG. I speak some farsi and there was no misquote.
AN also has called israel a tumor and cancer, and denies the holocaust.
As part russian, I despise this animal for that alone. More russians than jews were murdered in the holocaust.
If this forum seeks qualitative discussion, eliminating posters and nonsesne like the posts i am quoting would be the right place to start.
I think the disagreement is over the meaning of the term "zionist".
The word refers to a person who supports self determination for Jewish people in their ancestral homeland. The fact that bigoted things do their utmost to try to twist the meaning of the term into something nasty does not mean that the term is actually nasty -- it only means that these bigots are so motivated by their hatred that they will stop at nothing in order to demonize those they hate.
Rather than gthe word Zionist as something nasty, yourself, and thus validating the bigots campaign of demonization, it would be far better from your point of view to RECLAIM it by reinforcing its actual meaning.
Run along, then. If you're not capable of mustering actual argument, that's bound to be a greater source of irritation than anything I write.
Ah, of course, and we should all trust your superior comprehension without question even when you don't attempt to provide elaboration on your alleged understanding?
Is that a fact, or are you instead referring to Slavs that were usually not Russian citizens?
Not that I don't regard the invasion of the Soviet Union as an aggressive crime in and of itself, but your post's a bit lacking in accuracy.
What's most ironic is that his most recent comments have questioned the specific focus on Jewish deaths and the alleged exclusion of the other victims of World War II, so your claims are more misguided still.
Sorry, but it's not happening. You'll have to at least pretend to debate me here. I've eviscerated every post you've made on this forum so far, so you already have some work to do.
An awesome point, Gardener.
I still firmly believe that some arabs use the term "Zionist" as a negative degrading term.
Indeed, at one time, it was a harmless reference to Israeli Jews living in their ancestral homeland. When used by a non-hater, this is indeed what it means.
You had no respect on the other forum, and you think you can come here and spew the same crud with a get-out-of-jail card. Forget it, honey.
So I'm a "hater," then? Interesting that you argued with me so vehemently, but when Gardener restates what I've bee saying, it is suddenly an awesome point.An awesome point, Gardener.
I still firmly believe that some arabs use the term "Zionist" as a negative degrading term.
Indeed, at one time, it was a harmless reference to Israeli Jews living in their ancestral homeland. When used by a non-hater, this is indeed what it means.
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