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You cannot change history. There was a civil war. It was prepared by a decision to secede and the attack on Fort Sumter was the opening shot. The USA was not about to stand by and just watch half the country break away.
You are being simplistic to equate political disagreement with a bloody war. Donald Trump and his profane tweets, his racism and ineptitude has brought criticism but that is not the same as war.
he's a Lincoln hater and Trump lover.
need to hear anything else?
I bet he defended segregation too. He was also taught the Lost Cause fallacy including the myth of the kindly General Lee no doubt. It was in all the school books. That was lifetimes ago. Everyone was a least a little racist.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee - The Atlantic
Many people (including me) like IKE.
I was a teenager in the 1950s. It was the last peaceful decade in our country's history.
Donald Trump does the attacking. The rest of us have to defend ourselves against his divisiveness, keeping children in cages, repatriating the fathers of American schoolchildren to Central America, paramilitary goons gassing peaceful demonstrators in American streets, and seeing the death toll from Covid-19 mount.
This is a good article about Lee in The Atlantic.
They are both nominal Republican presidents which goes to show how radically the GOP has changed in recent times.
They are both nominal Republican presidents which goes to show how radically the GOP has changed in recent times.
he's a Lincoln hater and Trump lover.
need to hear anything else?
OK that makes you a Lincoln Lover and a true Trump hater. And you think Abe sent massives waves of troops due to blacks?
My god man, read more books on this topic.
Many people (including me) like IKE.
I was a teenager in the 1950s. It was the last peaceful decade in our country's history.
This is short. General Eisenhower/President Eisenhower says he has the 4 photos on his wall of this nation's most important men.
See who he names as Great.
I will confess. It is Robert E. Lee.
Democrats brag they liked Eisenhower. That is the biggest sack of horse poop on this planet. I was then a Democrat and we hated Eisenhower.
But Ike defended Robert E. Lee.
What about that?
I too was a teen in the 1950s and old enough to recall the way my parents and millions of other Democrats did not want Ike as president, at all. Mom said many times that Ike was a good General and a lousy President. Mom also hated Reagan.
In the 50s, we saw live A bombs blown up on TV and we were told by teachers how to do a minimum job of self preservation.
Ike came in on the Democrats war against North Korea and my uncle left for Japan from his leave and the next time I saw his presence was in his coffin dead. Course we had a closed casket due to his decomposition in the battle field in South Korea. Mom hated war so much I did not want to serve when drafted in 1964.
If one puts Lee into the context of his times, I agree with IKE. Back then there really wasn't a thing as an American. They were Virginians, New Yorkers, Ohioan's, Georgian's, Kentuckian's etc. T Folks back in Lee's day owed their allegiance more to their state than to the federal government. When asked where one was from, they would answer with their state.
Lee's allegiance wasn't for the Confederate government as it was for his state. Lee would have fought on whichever side Virginia decided on going. Few considered or referred to themselves as Americans back in those days, not until after the Spanish-American War did everyone begin to consider themselves American and their state secondary.
But context of the times get completely lost, especially to those on this site. That no one can do anything about. Viewing history through today's 21st Century eyes and context completely erases the reasons and the context which historical events took place.
Regardless of what one may think of President Trump, he HAS kept his promise to keep us out of foreign wars. And that is what many ordinary Americans want.
This has infuriated some Democratic and Republican hawks who think that we should be intervening everywhere. After all, they do not go. They send the sons of mostly poor or middle-class families.
If I have interpreted your post correctly, you imply that we should let other nations fight their own battles. We should keep out. Not one American boy should have to die for our international "friends." For example, let's do sell the best weapons to Taiwan so that it can stand up to the Commies on the mainland. But I do not think a single American boy should have to die in such a battle.
Have a nice day!
If one puts Lee into the context of his times, I agree with IKE. Back then there really wasn't a thing as an American. They were Virginians, New Yorkers, Ohioan's, Georgian's, Kentuckian's etc. T Folks back in Lee's day owed their allegiance more to their state than to the federal government. When asked where one was from, they would answer with their state.
Lee's allegiance wasn't for the Confederate government as it was for his state. Lee would have fought on whichever side Virginia decided on going. Few considered or referred to themselves as Americans back in those days, not until after the Spanish-American War did everyone begin to consider themselves American and their state secondary.
But context of the times get completely lost, especially to those on this site. That no one can do anything about. Viewing history through today's 21st Century eyes and context completely erases the reasons and the context which historical events took place.
Wait one minute.
The powerful fort was hit by what today is called ineffective cannon balls. In fact, Abe attacked the fort and spent most of the war trying to ruin Sumter and the Confederates only spent 34 hrs I believe and nobody was harmed. Abe went to war over a very stout building is all it was.
The worst was next. Abe invaded VA with thousands of his troops who got beaten badly. But Abe is who started the combat phase, not Robert Lee. Lee defended his country but he was not the opening commanding General.Bingo, you called it correct only blame Abe for those massive losses.
i assure you had Abe refused to Invade, the worst that could be said is he refused to invade.
Of course Eisenhower was no Trump. Trump was attacked prior to him taking office and Democrats waged a hell of a war on him from the start. Democrats have done what you accused the South of doing, attacking a lawful president. The Trump Pence Government has achieved many hundreds of good things for our own country.
Incorrect in so many ways....
Sumter was attacked by the Confederacy who had already started the shooting prior to Lincoln's presidency. The lack of deaths is due to orders to not expose the troops to plunging fire from Confederate batteries. Not that the Confederates didn't try.
As to the "invasion". It was not the first shots fired on land. And it was solely to recover FEDERAL property and bases illegally taken by the Confederacy. As has been proven to you time and again. It was the South that amassed troops intent on blocking the Federals. Had there been no resistance there would not have been a battle.
This is short. General Eisenhower/President Eisenhower says he has the 4 photos on his wall of this nation's most important men.
See who he names as Great.
I will confess. It is Robert E. Lee.
Democrats brag they liked Eisenhower. That is the biggest sack of horse poop on this planet. I was then a Democrat and we hated Eisenhower.
But Ike defended Robert E. Lee.
What about that?
You will say and do anything to justify Lincolns invasions.
This is short. General Eisenhower/President Eisenhower says he has the 4 photos on his wall of this nation's most important men.
See who he names as Great.
I will confess. It is Robert E. Lee.
Democrats brag they liked Eisenhower. That is the biggest sack of horse poop on this planet. I was then a Democrat and we hated Eisenhower.
But Ike defended Robert E. Lee.
What about that?
I disagree. Lee didn't fight for the state of Virginia in the Mexican-American War.
He knew very well that fighting under the CSA flag was treasonous.
On particular issues, I do support your commentary. On Trump, it is attack, attack and more. Trump has not attacked you ever. Keeping Children in Obama's children's cages you mean and he does not allow that since it happened and it came out.What is a paramilitary in the face of the goons that were gassed? Trump is not a doctor. I do not blame him at all over CV19. In fact when he has made suggestions, he gets attacked again.
It is not good enough to attempt to dismiss an article because of how the author votes. I never heard Americans react this way in the past. You need to say what was wrong with the article and cite instances of inaccuracies with sources.By a super hard core Democrat supporter. Read all of his hard core Democrat supporting articles.
Here: All Stories by Adam Serwer - The Atlantic
I have been to former slave holding properties, including Mt. Vernon and Monticello and believe me, there were preserved slave quarters there.
None at all at the estate at Gen. Lees former estate at Arlington, VA.
If Lee was this vicious slave owner, why were the places to keep slaves not there?
Why use a devoted Trump hater as your source in the Atlantic?
I'm not a doctor either but I believe Donald Trump did great harm when he minimized the risk of Covid-19 and failed to declare a national emergency to tackle the threat as happened in other countries. In one sense it is good that Donald Trump cannot make medical decisions such as putting lights inside people's lungs but he could have written one of his Executive Orders initiating a federal response led by the best scientific advice. Instead he abdicated all responsibility to governors. That was a mistake and a major lack of leadership. It should be clear that the man is not up to the job.
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