So what? It was still moral to invade, overthrow the government, stop the humanitarian disaster, and build a democracy.
What are you figuring there, that one out of three isn't bad?
Actuallty we created a bigger humanitarian disaster. We killed thousands of Iraqis.
So what? It was still moral to invade, (1) overthrow the government, (2) stop the humanitarian disaster, and (3) build a democracy.
Can't count? It was 4 out of 4, senor.
99% of whom were attacking us. It was the insurgents who killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands, not the US.
So what? It was still moral to (1) invade, (2) overthrow the government, (3) stop the humanitarian disaster, and (4) build a democracy.
Overthrowing an old man with a shotgun is the the only thing I've seen that we have accomplished.
reefedjib said:99% of whom were attacking us. It was the insurgents who killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands, not the US.
"Wikileaks' revelations via classified documents about the nearly nine-year-old conflict in Afghanistan also reveals interesting information about the war in Iraq. Some 90,000 documents were released, and one of the periodicals to which these documents were given, The Guardian (London), ferreted out the relevant bits of "after action" reports. One particularly telling aspect was how routinely the U.S. military describes those killed -in-action as Taliban, when in fact many if not most are civilians. "U.S. and allied commanders frequently deny allegations of mass civilian casualties, claiming they are Taliban propaganda or ploys to get compensation, which are contradicted by facts known to the military," says one of its reports. "But the logs demonstrate how much of the contemporaneous US internal reporting of air strikes is simply false" (July 25, 2010). The extent of civilian casualties caused by U.S. actions and previously unreported in the news media likely reaches well into the hundreds and possibly thousands. Precisely the same dynamic was at work in Iraq, though at a much higher scale, according to former soldiers and marines who testified at the "Winter Soldier" hearings in 2008 and 2009."
The Human Cost of the War in Iraq
The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 'civilians'; 23,984 'enemy' (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 'host nation' (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 'friendly' (coalition forces).
Yes, the lack of any kind of threat from Iraq. Germany was attacking its neighbors. Iraq hasn't had the capacity to do that since before the Gulf war.
Actuallty we created a bigger humanitarian disaster. We killed thousands of Iraqis.
4 out of 4. We invaded. We overthrew the minority Sunni power structure. We stopped the systematic abuse of the civilian population. We helped build a democracy. 4 out of 4.
Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
If you wish to pretend that the most powerful country on the planet invading one of the weakest was some kind of accomplishment, have at it. We replaced the government that was keeping the factions in Iraq from civil war and keeping the Iranians at bay and replaced it with one that cannot do either without our indefinite military occupation and trillions of dollars of National debt. I would not call a corrupt government with reports of rigged elections Democratic anymore than I would call Egypt's government of the last 30 years Democratic. The abuse of the Iraqi people continues by a different corrupt regime.
Now you only have one out four. You've lost ground.
we set in motion freedom throughout the ME. Just watch Egypt, its not over yet, there will be more blood. Sour puss.
You must be kidding. The current Iraqi government is just as corrupt as the old one.That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. But you are wrong. The government of Iraq is stable, has the respect of the people, is helping Iraq grow, is not at the behest of the Iranians. Iraq does not need, nor is it using the US military to be propped up. It is sharing power.
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The demonstrations are the latest in a series across Iraq, as protesters are inspired by uprisings in the Middle East. On Sunday, hundreds demonstrated in Ramadi, about 100 kilometers (62 miles) west of Baghdad.
In Falluja, hundreds of protesters walked toward the city council building and the mayor's office, demanding the resignation of the mayor and the head of the city council because of corruption and their inability to provide basic services to the people.
Some demonstrators shouted, "Down with al-Maliki," referring to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. Others carried banners saying, "No for dividing Iraq, yes for its unity" and "No for sectarianism, yes for unity, down with al-Maliki's government." Still others said, "No restriction on freedom of expression, no for random detentions and raids, no for corrupted (politicians) and thieves," and "We demand better basic services -- electricity, oil and improving the food rations."
Iraqi security forces from the police and army carried machine guns as they surrounded the demonstrators
You are just a typical old, crusty anti-war protester from the Vietnam era .......
You have no integrity.
Sour puss.
The brave souls on the streets of Tunis did.
Not you.
I wanna be on your side about this Reefe, but Iraq has little to do with it.
You must be kidding. The current Iraqi government is just as corrupt as the old one.
Stable? Iraqis protest lack of services, corruption - CNN.com
And the prime minister. Demonstrations are growing all over Iraq. They are figuring out that the US won't let the government shoot protesters now. Egyptian revolution sparks protest movement in democratic IraqI notice the army and police did not stop the demonstrations or shoot at the Iraqis. They were criticizing their own mayor.
Yes, it is. The billions wasted in Iraq and the Goldman Sachs fiasco were evidence of that.Do you think the US government is not corrupt???
And the prime minister. Demonstrations are growing all over Iraq. They are figuring out that the US won't let the government shoot protesters now. Egyptian revolution sparks protest movement in democratic Iraq
Yes, it is. The billions wasted in Iraq and the Goldman Sachs fiasco were evidence of that.
The US has nothing to do with it anymore. It is all the Iraqi security forces, and they are their to PROTECT THE POPULATION, rather than PROTECT THE REGIME! The Arab world knows this is the case in Iraq and they want the same conditions in their own countries.
PS. I am thrilled the Iraqis are protesting against their government.
Someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Just because you have nothing to substaniate your case does not mean you have to stoop to name calling.
If you get yourself calmed down to the point where you can discuss without insults, let me know.
PS. I am thrilled the Iraqis are protesting against their government.
The US has nothing to do with it anymore.
The government that cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of lives to install? You are thrilled that the Iraqis don't embrace it?
Dozens of small-scale demonstrations have taken place across the country over the past two weeks, most of them protesting poor services, particularly the lack of electricity - a perennial complaint that has spurred Iraqis to take to the streets many times before.
But a new movement seems to be emerging, too, among students and young professionals clearly inspired by the events in Egypt and also by their own disappointments with Iraq's democratic experiment.
Multiple groups are springing up on Facebook calling for protests to demand reforms, among them No to Silence, Baghdad Won't Be Kandahar, the Blue Revolution and one simply called Join US Soon for the Biggest Ever Youth Sit-In in Baghdad, which initiated the small protest Friday in Tahrir Square.
Another is planned for Monday, but the biggest buzz is building around what has been billed on various Web sites as a "Revolution of Iraqi Rage" scheduled for Feb. 25 in the same square, the city's most prominent public space, just across the Tigris River from the fortified Green Zone.
The groups say their goal is not to overthrow the government - which is still not fully formed after elections nearly a year ago, another source of frustration - but to demand change on multiple fronts, from specifics such as the provision of electricity and jobs to more general issues such as good governance and accountability.
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