Egypt brokers a cease fire, Israel accepts, Hamas rejects [W:39]

[ido_]

Israel accepts truce as Hamas rejects it as 'surrender' - Israel News, Ynetnews
The full text of the Egyptian cease-fire proposal - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

Hamas declares they reject the cease fire but seems like the fire is lower, a few sirens were heard in villages around Gaza this morning but nothing on major cities.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Israel accepts truce as Hamas rejects it as 'surrender' - Israel News, Ynetnews
The full text of the Egyptian cease-fire proposal - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

Hamas declares they reject the cease fire but seems like the fire is lower, a few sirens were heard in villages around Gaza this morning but nothing on major cities.

I read about this earlier. Even for the most ardent supporters of Hamas, this should make them think twice about their support.

I hope you are safe in Israel. Just know, that there are many here in the US that support you and your country in your fight against terrorists and murderers.

Here's another article that was posted in the web 15 minutes ago about this:

Israel Votes to Accept Unilateral Ceasefire, 6-2

By the way, this is not the only peace initiative they have rejected:

From 2003 NY Times Article -Hamas Rejects Abbas' Moves

 

[The German]

Not quite accurate.

Hamas political wing accepts it and Hamas military wing rejects it whilest other groups within Gaza both reject and accept it.

Which simply brings forward another question: Why should Israel negotiate with an "organisation" that so obviously cant keep it`s **** together?

Nothing is as pathetic as such obvious disorder as one sees within Hamas.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Not quite accurate.

Hamas political wing accepts it and Hamas military wing rejects it whilest other groups within Gaza both reject and accept it.

Which simply brings forward another question: Why should Israel negotiate with an "organisation" that so obviously cant keep it`s **** together?

Nothing is as pathetic as such obvious disorder as one sees within Hamas.

Do you have a link for that? All I can find is that Hamas rejected it. No word on certain factions accepting and other rejecting.

What I'm finding is very similar to this article by CNN that states that the PLO and other Palestinian organizations may be in favor of it, but Hamas is not.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Another article with additional information that was uploaded 18 minutes ago.

(Reuters) Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:10am EDT - Israel approved an Egyptian-proposed deal that would halt the week-old Gaza shelling war on Tuesday but the Palestinian territory's dominant Hamas Islamists responded suspiciously, saying they had not been consulted by Cairo.

Hamas's armed wing vowed its attacks would "increase in ferocity and intensity" but Palestinian rocket salvoes waned ahead of the mooted start of mutual de-escalation at 0600 GMT.

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[ido_]

Just now a salvo of rockets on Ashdod, I guess the cease fire is over...

 

[ido_]

Israel halted fire at 9:00, 5 and a half hours ago. Since then 40 rockets have been launched on Israeli cities including major ones - Ashkelon, Ashdod, Rehovot, Rishon LeZiyyon and even Zichron and Yokneam in the north on the Carmel mounts. Until now, Israel is not returning fire. Bibi is threatening to take the military operation to the next step. I think ground offensive is inevitable

Netanyahu: Hamas rejection of truce gives Israel legitimacy to expand operat... - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[PeteEU]

Just now a salvo of rockets on Ashdod, I guess the cease fire is over...

How can there be a ceasefire when one part of one side has not agreed?

 

[CJ 2.0]

How can there be a ceasefire when one part of one side has not agreed?

Israel stopped firing. hamas didn't.

So no, no ceasefire.

Will be interesting to see how pro-Palestinians blame the Jews for this one.

 

[Hyena]

Israel stopped firing. hamas didn't.

So no, no ceasefire.

Will be interesting to see how pro-Palestinians blame the Jews for this one.

I've just read on a facebook post some italian leftards claiming that that's a "clear sign" that hamas is an Israeli government's puppet...
Haters gonna hate...

 

[PeteEU]

Israel stopped firing. hamas didn't.

So no, no ceasefire.

Will be interesting to see how pro-Palestinians blame the Jews for this one.

Dude...

A ceasefire (or truce) is a temporary stoppage of a war in which each side agrees with the other to suspend aggressive actions.

Hence it cant be a ceasefire because both sides did not agree.

At best it is a stop of aggression by one side during negotiations.

 

[Sherman123]

Dude...



Hence it cant be a ceasefire because both sides did not agree.

At best it is a stop of aggression by one side during negotiations.

You can have unilateral ceasefires. A ceasefire is nothing more than a temporary cessation of fighting and/or violence. In any event this is silly quibbling. There was a was a ceasefire proposal put onto the table, one party accepted it's tenants and ceased firing, the other did not. Calling it a 'temporary suspension of aggression' is just deflection.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Dude...



Hence it cant be a ceasefire because both sides did not agree.

What? I said it wasn't a ceasefire because Hamas declined to stop firing rockets at civilians (i.e., it declined to cease engaging in war crimes)

At best it is a stop of aggression by one side during negotiations.

What negotiations? It was very helpful in illustrating exactly what is going on. So unless you got a way to spin this to blame the Jews, it may be a bit difficult for you to continue on here.

 

[CJ 2.0]

You can have unilateral ceasefires. A ceasefire is nothing more than a temporary cessation of fighting and/or violence. In any event this is silly quibbling. There was a was a ceasefire proposal put onto the table, one party accepted it's tenants and ceased firing, the other did not. Calling it a 'temporary suspension of aggression' is just deflection.

Well, one thing is clear. It is clearly Israel's fault. Now we just need to figure out why...

 

[hammer2]

Well, one thing is clear. It is clearly Israel's fault. Now we just need to figure out why...

They're "Zionist" and are bent on world domination!

 

[PeteEU]

What? I said it wasn't a ceasefire because Hamas declined to stop firing rockets at civilians (i.e., it declined to cease engaging in war crimes)

Okay now I understand your comment better.. my bad.

What negotiations? It was very helpful in illustrating exactly what is going on. So unless you got a way to spin this to blame the Jews, it may be a bit difficult for you to continue on here.

The Egyptian-Palestinian-Israel negotiation.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Okay now I understand your comment better.. my bad.



The Egyptian-Palestinian-Israel negotiation.

Still waiting to see how someone can blame this on the Jews.

Don't suppose you want to actually blame Hamas?

 

[jamesrage]

Israel accepts truce as Hamas rejects it as 'surrender' - Israel News, Ynetnews
The full text of the Egyptian cease-fire proposal - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

Hamas declares they reject the cease fire but seems like the fire is lower, a few sirens were heard in villages around Gaza this morning but nothing on major cities.

I think countries should stop wasting their time trying to broker peace deals between the Israelis and Palestinians. As far as the Palestinians are concerned the Israelis are nothing more than dirty land thieves and as far as the Israelis are concerned they have a God given right to that land because their ancient ancestors once lived there. I do not think that is something that can be worked out with simple peace deals.One side is going to have to beat the other side into submission.

 

[Napoleon]

What negotiations?

Precisely. Hamas wasn't invited to negotiate a cease-fire and they only found out about it when the media started reporting it. Once again, its just another situation in which Hamas is told to give Israel whatever they want or Israel will bomb their civilian population. The Palestinians have been given the raw deal in every situation since 1948. They should be invited to the table at the very least.

 

[ido_]

Precisely. Hamas wasn't invited to negotiate a cease-fire and they only found out about it when the media started reporting it. Once again, its just another situation in which Hamas is told to give Israel whatever they want or Israel will bomb their civilian population. The Palestinians have been given the raw deal in every situation since 1948. They should be invited to the table at the very least.

The bottom line is that Israel was taking heavy fire from Gaza for 6 hours and returned no fire, today its as clear as crystal that the blood of Palestinian civilians is on Hamas hands

 

[Serenity]

I've just read on a facebook post some italian leftards claiming that that's a "clear sign" that hamas is an Israeli government's puppet...
Haters gonna hate...

I've seen lots of idiotic comments on facebook posts and youtube over the years when it comes to the I/P situation. Idiots in all directions. I don't read them anymore, have not done for a good while.

 

[PeteEU]

Still waiting to see how someone can blame this on the Jews.

Don't suppose you want to actually blame Hamas?

Blame Hamas for the rockets? of course
Blame both sides for being pigheaded morons and hypocrites? of course

Blame Jews for anything? no... other than why do you make so hot women!!!

 

[quantumechanic]

Precisely. Hamas wasn't invited to negotiate a cease-fire and they only found out about it when the media started reporting it. Once again, its just another situation in which Hamas is told to give Israel whatever they want or Israel will bomb their civilian population. The Palestinians have been given the raw deal in every situation since 1948. They should be invited to the table at the very least.

Astounding. Not only is your statement utterly false, you're actually trying to blame Israel for adhering to a cease-fire agreement.

UN Security Council calls for Israeli-Palestinian ceasefire - Israel News, Ynetnews

Hamas had refused to discuss the terms of the cease-fire, while Israel has expressed its willingness to meet to negotiate the details of the deal.

 

[Sherman123]

Precisely. Hamas wasn't invited to negotiate a cease-fire and they only found out about it when the media started reporting it. Once again, its just another situation in which Hamas is told to give Israel whatever they want or Israel will bomb their civilian population. The Palestinians have been given the raw deal in every situation since 1948. They should be invited to the table at the very least.

Israel wasn't 'told' anything either and there isn't anything to negotiate in a ceasefire proposal. You either agree to cease firing... or you don't. There is no table, there isn't anything to negotiate. This is how ceasefires were forged every other time. The implication some seem to have is that because Hamas wasn't expressly consulted they had no reason to stop shooting just because their opponent stopped shooting. Which is absurdly childish.

 

[Hyena]

I've seen lots of idiotic comments on facebook posts and youtube over the years when it comes to the I/P situation. Idiots in all directions. I don't read them anymore, have not done for a good while.

You are right, I should do the same. It's a waste fo time and nerves.