Dutch Government Collapses

[Juin]

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It appears Wilders is fuming that coalition partners had gone soft on immigration


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Dutch far-right figurehead Geert Wilders announced Tuesday morning that his party would quit the government in The Hague, throwing the Netherlands into turmoil.

Wilders’ Party for Freedom (PVV) left the coalition in a heated dispute over the government’s position on asylum. “No signature for our asylum plans. No changes to the [coalition] agreement. PVV is leaving the coalition,” Wilders posted on X.

Prime Minister Dick Schoof announced Tuesday afternoon that he’d hand in the resignation of the government to the King, triggering a new election less than a year after his government took office.
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Dutch government collapses after Geert Wilders’ far-right party quits

Prime Minister Dick Schoof will carry on in a caretaker role after asylum dispute topples coalition in the Netherlands.

www.politico.eu

 

[OlNate]

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It appears Wilders is fuming that coalition partners had gone soft on immigration


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Dutch far-right figurehead Geert Wilders announced Tuesday morning that his party would quit the government in The Hague, throwing the Netherlands into turmoil.

Wilders’ Party for Freedom (PVV) left the coalition in a heated dispute over the government’s position on asylum. “No signature for our asylum plans. No changes to the [coalition] agreement. PVV is leaving the coalition,” Wilders posted on X.

Prime Minister Dick Schoof announced Tuesday afternoon that he’d hand in the resignation of the government to the King, triggering a new election less than a year after his government took office.
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Dutch government collapses after Geert Wilders’ far-right party quits

Prime Minister Dick Schoof will carry on in a caretaker role after asylum dispute topples coalition in the Netherlands.

www.politico.eu

Wow, the Dutch right really know how to do a temper tantrum, apparently.

Ah well, nothing like the right shooting themselves in the foot to give the left a break...hehe...

Not a good story, as usual the average folks will be the ones to suffer, while their government engages in theatrics that don't benefit the folks that voted for them. Seems to be a theme these days.

 

[Sweden]

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It appears Wilders is fuming that coalition partners had gone soft on immigration


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Dutch far-right figurehead Geert Wilders announced Tuesday morning that his party would quit the government in The Hague, throwing the Netherlands into turmoil.

Wilders’ Party for Freedom (PVV) left the coalition in a heated dispute over the government’s position on asylum. “No signature for our asylum plans. No changes to the [coalition] agreement. PVV is leaving the coalition,” Wilders posted on X.

Prime Minister Dick Schoof announced Tuesday afternoon that he’d hand in the resignation of the government to the King, triggering a new election less than a year after his government took office.
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Dutch government collapses after Geert Wilders’ far-right party quits

Prime Minister Dick Schoof will carry on in a caretaker role after asylum dispute topples coalition in the Netherlands.

www.politico.eu

Proportional Representation often leads to unstable coalitions. 14 parties have seat in the Dutch parliament and there are four in the government coalition. There will be a new election which will still not produce any decisive result.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

It appears Wilders is fuming that coalition partners had gone soft on immigration

Appearances are misleading.

"There was shock and anger among political leaders, many of whom pointed out that several of Wilders' demands were similar to policies already in the coalition agreement, and that they would not stand in the PVV's way to implement them.
Many of the additional proposals put forward by Wilders had been dismissed during coalition talks because of legal concerns."

This was more about Wilder's ambition to become Prime Minister but he has now alienated the same right wing parties he would need to work with.

 

[joluoto]

That government never had a chance to survive in the first place. Wilder is unable to cooperate with others.

Most of Wilder's demands had in fact been approved by the Coalition, the ones that were not were those that would have been illegal under Dutch law, and those had already been rejected during coalition negotiations. Wilder does not want a coalition, neither does he want the rule of law. He wants a dictatorship.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That government never had a chance to survive in the first place. Wilder is unable to cooperate with others.

Most of Wilder's demands had in fact been approved by the Coalition, the ones that were not were those that would have been illegal under Dutch law, and those had already been rejected during coalition negotiations. Wilder does not want a coalition, neither does he want the rule of law. He wants a dictatorship.

Not to mention your sig line is indicative of PVV's problem. They like Nazis a lot. Geert Wilders likes them a lot.

 

[Sweden]

Appearances are misleading.

"There was shock and anger among political leaders, many of whom pointed out that several of Wilders' demands were similar to policies already in the coalition agreement, and that they would not stand in the PVV's way to implement them.
Many of the additional proposals put forward by Wilders had been dismissed during coalition talks because of legal concerns."

This was more about Wilder's ambition to become Prime Minister but he has now alienated the same right wing parties he would need to work with.

Political leaders" of other parties express "shock and anger" when another one leaves a coalition. Of coarse they do - they are preparing the ground for their forthcoming election campaigns..

 

[Sweden]

That government never had a chance to survive in the first place. Wilder is unable to cooperate with others.

Most of Wilder's demands had in fact been approved by the Coalition, the ones that were not were those that would have been illegal under Dutch law, and those had already been rejected during coalition negotiations. Wilder does not want a coalition, neither does he want the rule of law. He wants a dictatorship.

Has Wilders ever said he wants a dictatorship?

 

[joluoto]

Has Wilders ever said he wants a dictatorship?

A politician that does not have any respect for the rule of law, and on the contrary demands actions that are illegal, can't really be considered as anything less than someone who strive for his will becoming law.

 

[medi]

I don't think " ... his will becoming law." is so unusual. Isn't that sort of happening all over the planet and by all sorts of political parties; Left - Right - Centrist?

 

[Sweden]

A politician that does not have any respect for the rule of law, and on the contrary demands actions that are illegal, can't really be considered as anything less than someone who strive for his will becoming law.

"Illegal" actions become legal when the law is changed in a legislature. That'somethings that happens all the time n democracies.

 

[joluoto]

"Illegal" actions become legal when the law is changed in a legislature. That'somethings that happens all the time n democracies.

Yes, but that's not what Wilder wants. He just want to be able to ignore what the law says, without having to bother with the legislature or the courts or the EU, or anyone else.

 

[medi]

Yes, but that's not what Wilder wants. He just want to be able to ignore what the law says, without having to bother with the legislature or the courts or the EU, or anyone else.

Then he must have some really good legal professionals in his employ. Them lawyer types can twist things in the law so well that you could be standing in front of the judge with both hands, undamaged, raised in front of the judge and a REALLY GOOD lawyer could convince the judge that you don't legally own all ten fingers.

EDIT: All eight fingers and both thumbs. Not sure if thumbs are fingers. _ See, I'm already in legal trouble.

 

[Sweden]

Yes, but that's not what Wilder wants. He just want to be able to ignore what the law says, without having to bother with the legislature or the courts or the EU, or anyone else.

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any evidence for it?

 

[joluoto]

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any evidence for it?

Last fall he tried to get a emergency royal decree to bypass parliament in order to get his asylum ban in force. His coalition partners talked him out of it back then, and agreed to several of his suggestions, but not the asylum freeze. Since a asylum freeze would force the Netherlands to leave several international treaties such as the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees, the Netherlands are signatory of both, meaning they are bound through international treaties. Also the Convention is mentioned in the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, meaning it's basically EU law. So understandably his partners did not want to walk down this rabbit hole, that probably would not have enough support in the Hague to pass either way, but Wilders wanted to just ignore the Hague and rule by decree (yes I know Wilders was not officially head of the government, but he was very much unofficially the guy in charge).

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Dutch government eyes emergency laws to curb migration​

What Wilders seek is a way to ignore the constraints of parliament, and in the Netherlands you can get a state of emergency declared without parliament, which is a Royal Decree, however it's not very easy for him to get one. The Cabinet need to be in full agreement, and that means all parties in the coalition. But a state of emergency would give Wilders a free hand to rule by decree and ignore Parliament. And it's no coincidence he has been seeking that.

 

[Sweden]

Last fall he tried to get a emergency royal decree to bypass parliament in order to get his asylum ban in force. His coalition partners talked him out of it back then, and agreed to several of his suggestions, but not the asylum freeze. Since a asylum freeze would force the Netherlands to leave several international treaties such as the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees, the Netherlands are signatory of both, meaning they are bound through international treaties. Also the Convention is mentioned in the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, meaning it's basically EU law. So understandably his partners did not want to walk down this rabbit hole, that probably would not have enough support in the Hague to pass either way, but Wilders wanted to just ignore the Hague and rule by decree (yes I know Wilders was not officially head of the government, but he was very much unofficially the guy in charge).

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Dutch government eyes emergency laws to curb migration​

What Wilders seek is a way to ignore the constraints of parliament, and in the Netherlands you can get a state of emergency declared without parliament, which is a Royal Decree, however it's not very easy for him to get one. The Cabinet need to be in full agreement, and that means all parties in the coalition. But a state of emergency would give Wilders a free hand to rule by decree and ignore Parliament. And it's no coincidence he has been seeking that.

Thank you for this informative comment. There are of course m any who think that mass immigration is a national emergency and that some treaties must be renounced.

 

[panic buyer]

Collapse is a strong word for what is going on.
Wilders is a minority politician trying to impose his extremist views on a largely liberal populace.
His party has lost support and I would hope that more sensible voices prevail in the election.

 

[joluoto]

Collapse is a strong word for what is going on.
Wilders is a minority politician trying to impose his extremist views on a largely liberal populace.
His party has lost support and I would hope that more sensible voices prevail in the election.

PVV's popularity is down from where it was last election, but still quite strong, and might end up still being the largest party, but only barely, meaning a coalition of other parties could possibly form a majority against them (would require said other parties to get along, which is asking alot of them).

 

[Infinite Chaos]

There are of course m any who think that mass immigration is a national emergency and that some treaties must be renounced.

That's the kind of thinking that Trump is using with his executive orders. Over-riding a nation's hard won constitution is a dangerous game to play.