I didn't know they started it at all. I just thought it was for this one case. Either way now.....going forward. They have decreed we tortured and by our own admittance. Up until the Feinstein Report and when we sent that letter. We had no comment.
Heya Skipper. :2wave: Were the Dutch denying extradition then? Are they now?
Good afternoon MMC
I have to ask, if the man was in the hands of the Pakistani ISI, how is it that he was not handed over to the US when the Pakistanis were finished with him and how did he manage to find his way to the Netherlands? Seems to me another example of the Pakistanis not being the best of US friends.
So instead of blaming the people that actually did the illegal torturing you blame the people who exposed it? That's some pretty backwards logic there. The responsibility for this hangs solely on the shoulders of the people who tortured detainees and the politicians who approved of it.
Also, considering we actively imprison suspects indefinitely without ever giving them a trial to determine their guilt, the Dutch would be damning him whether he is guilty or not. At least the Dutch seem to have a set of moral standards. We don't care if he's guilty or not we just want blood.
Does refusing to admit your crimes make them non-existent?
Did they not charge him with conspiracy to commit murder. That's not an Unlawful combatant charge is it? What other connections to AQ was needed again? Didn't any of the Pakistani testify?
Even if they did charge him, that doesn't mean that he'll be getting a trial, much less within any reasonable time frame. We locked up Bradley Manning in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day for 11 months, and continued to hold him for years without trial. People accused of terrorism have a habit of just "disappearing" or being indefinitely detained at Guantanomo without trial.
The fact is, the US doesn't have a stellar record of respecting the human rights of people it thinks are terrorists. We've done this so long that now people have lost our trust.
Not to burst your bubble, but denying extradition to the US is almost a norm these days and it has nothing to do with the report. The US has a nasty habit of not upholding agreements with countries and hence extraditing their citizens is not something they take lightly.
Quite right. Barrack Obama continues to release terrorists. Best the Dutch or other nations keep them.I agree with you here. The USA cant be trusted on this basis.
Well now.....what do you think of that. They will not extradite a supporter of AQ, and we are not talking about Cheerleading supporter. Fruits of Feinstein's releasing of the Torture Report.....huh? What say ye?
I'd be more inclined to trust Americans and their morals rather than anyone resembling a terrorist.Fruit of the fact we tolerated torture in the first place, in my opinion. There is a price to be paid for moral turpitude.
I'd be more inclined to trust Americans and their morals rather than anyone resembling a terrorist.
Fruit of the fact we tolerated torture in the first place, in my opinion. There is a price to be paid for moral turpitude.
Are people still labouring under the delusion that nobody knew until Feinstein's report? Seriously?
I'd be more inclined to trust Americans and their morals rather than anyone resembling a terrorist.
If nothing else we can have our spec ops suicide him where he is. No problem.
So the average American is similar to a terrorist?Most of my friends who I've asked about torture support it. Many of those friends are Christian. The morals of the average American are not quite as golden as you might believe.
A Dutch court on Tuesday blocked the extradition of a man accused of having fought against U.S. troops in Afghanistan, saying it could not be ruled out that the CIA had been involved in his torture after his arrest in Pakistan. Dutch court documents showed the suspect, a Dutch-Pakistani dual citizen named Sabir Khan, was tortured after his arrest by Pakistan's ISI security service. He faces charges in New York of conspiracy to commit murder and of supporting al Qaeda.
The court said the Netherlands could not transfer him because Dutch and international law prohibits the extradition of torture victims to countries that played a role in abuse. "This letter does not rule out the possible involvement of the CIA," the court in The Hague said in a statement. "Since it cannot be ruled out that it was the CIA which requested the arrest, the judge again forbids" his extradition.....snip~
Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns
Well now.....what do you think of that. They will not extradite a supporter of AQ, and we are not talking about Cheerleading supporter. Fruits of Feinstein's releasing of the Torture Report.....huh? What say ye?
Perhaps Holland would like to become the new Gitmo.Lots of countries won't extradite someone who's in jeopardy of a death penalty sentence, either. Just the way it is.
Perhaps Holland would like to become the new Gitmo.
So it begins with the Dutch.... :thumbdown:
Feinstein did us no good. But not explaining, what we were doing and why it was legal and had to be done was at least as bad.
This example of Dutch courage will lead to their own downfall moreso than it will effect American intelligence or the safety of the American people. Now what will the self-destructive Dutch do with this guy?
It was not Feinstein only, the connection between the CIA and the ISI was also documented by NGO's like Amnesty. And I would think most secret services know about the connection between the CIA and ISI too.
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