I'm of the belief that if a person drops out of school, they can still be successful, not like Bernie Madoff, but a real success. If a person has the drive and ambition to earn more money to purchase life's necessities, why not?
I have heard on MSM that many college educated people are out of work.
Back in the mid 80's, my cousin had a degree for teaching, he worked flipping burgers, washing cars, and doing odd jobs, living with mom & pop, til he was finally offered a teaching job, 5 years of that BS.
It's not a question of whether or not someone can make money without a college degree. It's a fact that college makes it much easier to do so.
I know college educated people can earn more. I like Longview's post best so far. For dropouts, vocational, trade, or technical schools, people who drop out can still obtain a GED, so dropping out is not a life ending experience.
Short of force.while it is not expected to be a life ending experience it is a quality of life ending experience for most of them
these graphs pre-date the notso great recession. i would anticipate the pain felt today by dropouts exceeds even what these graphs depict
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and here is one which has implications for us all. single parent status by education level. there is a strong correlation between single parenthood and being a welfare recipient
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if we want to mitigate welfare, incarceration, poverty, then we should do whatever we can to assure our minors graduate from high school
no. they did not
until the GI bill became available to veterans after WWII, a college education was the privy of the elite and those very academically gifted, who often attended only because of offered scholarships
it was not until the advent of the GI bill that college enrollments boomed
the graphs would not load but you can see them here: History of U.S. Higher Education | Education Advisor
Well I either want to be a professor or look into law so they have worth there
Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)
Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.
One troubling thing that I saw a few times was students on the edge of the drop-out age and had checked out. They sold themselves into believing that 16 was enough, and at the age of 14-15 they've had it. No more effort. The false premise of freedom was enough for them, and I saw their weekly assignments just plummet and any interventions tank. Meanwhile, I knew what the statistics were. Again, multi-decade systemic failure and criminality was within reach, even though it didn't need to be.
Whether or not mandating full participation until the age of 18 or 21 will statistically improve matters is quite honestly up for debate. A cavalier attitude, on the other hand, is almost as bad.
Kids have been a distraction in school since the beginning of school.
It's a lot easier to get a job with a diploma, than without. That's how that "magical piece of paper" works, you know.
no. they did not
until the GI bill became available to veterans after WWII, a college education was the privy of the elite and those very academically gifted, who often attended only because of offered scholarships
it was not until the advent of the GI bill that college enrollments boomed
the graphs would not load but you can see them here: History of U.S. Higher Education | Education Advisor
What claim, all I did was post a link. That's the problem with cons, they're always trying to ram **** down people's throats and putting words in other people's mouths.
no. they did not
until the GI bill became available to veterans after WWII, a college education was the privy of the elite and those very academically gifted, who often attended only because of offered scholarships
it was not until the advent of the GI bill that college enrollments boomed
the graphs would not load but you can see them here: History of U.S. Higher Education | Education Advisor
You posted a claim that somehow, 5 people who dropped out of school and became millionaires means anything considering the average 1.2 million students that drop out of school each year. If your link didn't mean anything, why did you post it?
To prove you do not need to have finished HS or college, all you need to do is be bright, sharp, and have the desire to be successful.
You likely need to be extraordinary in all categories including extraordinary luck. For all intents and purposes you do need the education to get any hope of that.
I wouldn't force them, but we ought to do a better job at keeping the doors open for older people who have dropped out, realized it was a huge mistake and are ready to come back and learn.
To prove you do not need to have finished HS or college, all you need to do is be bright, sharp, and have the desire to be successful.
i don't think forcing would be required if the schools were doing their jobs.
[emphasis added by bubba]No, you don't have to but for the vast majority of people, the only path to success is through finishing school. High school graduates make, on average, $200,000 more than dropouts through their careers and college graduates make over a million more. 75% of crimes are committed by high school dropouts. Just pointing to a couple of outliers does not prove the idea is false.
We are talking about high school, not college. Try to keep up.
Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)
Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.
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