I don't want to see lies, and so I don't see them, that's true. I don't see racism, I don't see excessive force. I see a woman walking on a freeway and resisting a cop trying to stop her. That's all there is to it.
I count 8 punches start to finish. 2, she still resisted, another 2, she still resisted, then 4, then she's cuffed." cop delivers a few more hits"
The official narrative from CHP is that the officer was protecting and trying to subdue the woman so that she wouldn't walk out into the freeway traffic and get hurt. BS.
I defy ANYONE to watch that video and tell me he looks like he is trying to protect this woman.
He was intent on punishing her... nothing else.
I count 8 punches start to finish. 2, she still resisted, another 2, she still resisted, then 4, then she's cuffed.
Well, they didn't get their asses kicked because they were behaving...that's just reality.
http://www.google.com/search?client...c.1.48.mobile-gws-hp..1.28.2086.3.k58YqUpGdm0Define resistance.
Hmm..
If "resisting" = "instinctual protection of my face from punches", then whoever came up with that bull**** definition....words fail.
I don't want to see lies, and so I don't see them, that's true. I don't see racism, I don't see excessive force. I see a woman walking on a freeway and resisting a cop trying to stop her. That's all there is to it.
All that would be a form of resistance.Running from the cop, pushing against his effort to get you off the freeway, not letting him cuff you...
Since you've never had your ass kicked by a cop, do you think it might have something to do with you not giving them a reason to kick your ass?
I never argued that covering of the face was resistance. I was referring to her not letting him cuff her.All that would be a form of resistance.
Covering your face against punches is not.
If you're going to argue that covering of the face while a cop punches it = not letting the cop cuff you, I'm going to laugh directly in your face.
Since the only thing in my post (which you were responding to) was me specifically referencing her covering her face, I assumed you were responding to that.I never argued that covering of the face was resistance. I was referring to her not letting him cuff her.
Ya know. I thought maybe it was me. I thought maybe I failed to post my question. But, no, no, I checked three times the question is clearly there.
Take three...
Do you give the same "innocent until proven guilty" consideration to all, or just the police?
"the refusal to accept or comply with something; the attempt to prevent something by action or argument."
The refusal to "the refusal to accept or comply with something", something equalling getting your face getting beaten in!
WOW, GREAT LINK!
Thanks for Supporting My Argument!
So far as I am aware, we don't know the answers to most of that yet.Except that wasn't really what happened, given that the woman received no injuries, even to her face. He stopped punching her as soon as her guard dropped. This seems to indicate that he was using the punches to break her defensive stance so he could actually get a hold of her in order to arrest her. Otherwise, a 190 lb man (who likely has some pretty decent punching strength) punching a 140lb woman (estimating both weights, just know the guy was bigger than that woman) would have caused actual injuries to her by punching her in the face or the head about 10 times.
The outrage to this is honestly due to the "shocking the public consciousness". This is not something the public thinks about happening, so it is "shocking" to see something like this.
I asked before and didn't get an answer from anyone. What if the cop had only hit her one or two times? What if it was a man rather than a woman in the same circumstances? What if the genders were switched completely? What if it was a civilian (of either gender) who was trying to "save" the woman, who then started hitting the civilian "helper" and that civilian did the same thing to the woman? Would the reaction from the public have been so bad if the same thing had resulted, no actual injury to the person?
Except that wasn't really what happened, given that the woman received no injuries, even to her face. He stopped punching her as soon as her guard dropped. This seems to indicate that he was using the punches to break her defensive stance so he could actually get a hold of her in order to arrest her. Otherwise, a 190 lb man (who likely has some pretty decent punching strength) punching a 140lb woman (estimating both weights, just know the guy was bigger than that woman) would have caused actual injuries to her by punching her in the face or the head about 10 times.
The outrage to this is honestly due to the "shocking the public consciousness". This is not something the public thinks about happening, so it is "shocking" to see something like this.
I asked before and didn't get an answer from anyone. What if the cop had only hit her one or two times? What if it was a man rather than a woman in the same circumstances? What if the genders were switched completely? What if it was a civilian (of either gender) who was trying to "save" the woman, who then started hitting the civilian "helper" and that civilian did the same thing to the woman? Would the reaction from the public have been so bad if the same thing had resulted, no actual injury to the person?
So far as I am aware, we don't know the answers to most of that yet.
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50lbs pounds of pure muscle makes a big difference.
When I was ~142 pounds I held a guy's arms (individual) who EASILY weighed 250+ pounds in my hands, who was on top of me and willing to smash my face in arm-to-arm and he couldn't touch me because I held his fists as bay. Not because I was smarter, not because I was braver, not because of superior technique, but because my body had learned to from previous experience (getting jumped by +10 people) to dump ENERMOUS amounts of adrenline in my system.
To this very day I cannot THINK, sincerely, I'm going to get into a fight and then the opposition backs down without getting a tremendous down-swing of adrenline causing me to be sick, puke and angry for 30-90 minutes.
I would literally rather get the **** kicked out of me by 4 guys than have some punk bitch make me think I'm about to get in a fight, have my adrenline pump (and it always does full stream when I start) AND THEN back out. I cannot describe it to you, but it's like getting the severity of the flu crunched into an extremely short time horizon (30-90 minutes, as I said).
ANYWAYS:
"I asked before and didn't get an answer from anyone. What if the cop had only hit her one or two times?"
He didn't. So how does that have absolutely any ****ing bearing on this discussion? I can understand why No One responded to it. It's ****ing stupid.
"What if the genders were switched completely?"
Then the weight difference probably would have justified the additional use of force.
But to put it in a Feminist perspective:
#Biologyisn'treal-creationismftw!
"What if it was a civilian (of either gender) who was trying to "save" the woman, who then started hitting the civilian "helper" and that civilian did the same thing to the woman? "
What if a Pixy flew in and turned the Police Officer into a Pig!??!
Stupid Questions.
You should learn to Think before you type.
I thought about these very thoroughly.
The first one points out that many of those punches didn't hit her face or head, but rather her hands and arms, and still did not cause injury even to those. Any punches to her head and face also did not cause injury (as is being reported right now) eventhough we can see that he would have been able to injure her severely given the size difference, the mental awareness differences, and the physical ability differences between them, yet he didn't. He stopped as soon as it appeared that he could actually restrain her, even when she hit him a few more times as the other officer showed up.
The next one is to point out that a scrawny, crazy man isn't going to be any more likely to have an advantage over a CHP officer (or this CHP officer at least) than this woman.
The last one, which you completely ignored was pointing out that the public outrage to this is more due to this being a male police officer (not sure which is more "shocking") than the repeated punching itself.
That's great, but the person I was interacting with and I have already been through all that. I'm just trying find out if he routinely and reflexively gives suspects the same noble-sounding benefit of the doubt that he gives police officers as he is doing in this case.ok, the police and the women are both innocent. :mrgreen:
Let's turn your question around and back to you:
Do you give the same "innocent until proven guilty" consideration to all, or just anyone not a police officer?
We don't know the full story. What we know is what the media has reported. I prefer to wait until the investigation is done.
Even then investigations need to be looked at with a critical eye to ensure it represents just the facts and the conclusions are supported by the facts.
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