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so your argument is that since the current version of the healthcare law did not originate in the house and was passed in a different order, it is unconstitutional? i seem to recall that was not how the plantiff's presented their case to the supreme court decision that upheld the law.
I read everything you said. First you said that screaming tyranny doesn't make it so, you need to prove abuse... then you agree there is abuse, but it isn't tyranny... and then you finished with a asinine assertion that laws don't need to be applied evenly and uneven application of the law is sometimes justified.
In other words, you support tyranny, you just refuse to accept the definition of the word.
The bill was 100% modeled after Bush's Texas program. That's just a fact. That democrats worked with to make it happen doesn't change it, nor does any of it matter to what I said. Damn man, try to grasp what's being argued.
We weren't talking about homeschooling. Home school folks who have educational background and the capabilities to teach do better at home. If everyone homeschooled, the results would be ugly. Even here you fail to see the larger truth. Home schooling is nothing more that a fringe option for a few.
"Bill Clinton Blames Kennedy for No Child Left Behind Flaws"
Bill Clinton Blames Kennedy for No Child Left Behind Flaws - ABC News
And you fail to grasp that our teachers are failing out kids Joe...
"Education is deteriorating and the nation’s children are not learning. Maybe it’s because the education programs are failing to prepare educators. A recent report found that the majority of education programs that train our K-12 teachers are mediocre, at best.
At best!?
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But some programs, 14 percent of them, were so poor in quality that they received no stars and were slapped with a “consumer alert.”
Failing Students, Failing Teachers | Loop21
But I am sure you will now blame it on anyone, anything other than teachers, and bloated school district administration....But, we have batted this argument back and forth forever Joe...And I don't think we will settle it in a thread you derailed here either....Good day.
j-mac;1062456616Home schooling does better than public education....That is a fact... [url=http://www.home-school.com/news/homeschool-vs-public-school.php said:Homeschool World - News - Some Fascinating Facts About Homeschool vs Public School[/url]
Amateurs....pfft!
I cited the Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec. 7). Pretty specific. You "seeming to recall that was not how the plantiff's presented their case to the supreme court decision that upheld the law" doesn't really uh....I mean, what, am I supposed to guess what it is that refutes my very specific argument?
Which means absolutely nothing to what I have said. Do you understand this?
You think a maybe from one source ends the debate? You lack a complete view. First, we do about what we've always done with education. The fact is the rest of world has just improved (largely with socialistic efforts by the way), and not that we've deteriorated. Second, you fail to consider the multitude of factors involved. Like too many, you want an easy scape goat. No one denies there are some poor teachers just as there are poor truck drivers and poor CEO's. But they do not represent a majority.
BTW, the same teachers you call failing are actually in the other schools. There is little difference between them or between schools. The major difference is often the students they have.
Well, the fact of the matter is that public education is failing our kids and all you have is excuse after excuse. Typical.
So it's clear that you don't want to stay on topic, so I'm done with it here.
If you want to continue, start a thread.
Rule of law is not tyranny.
At some point the hyperbole becomes cartoonish.
This is why your leaders lose credibility so quickly.
You're entire response fits that category.
Because "tyranny" has a specific definition, your statement cannot be true even as a matter of opinion.
It's your defense mechanism shielding you from the trauma of having to have your reality shattered. Disable it, then go and have your BS meter recalibrated.
Leaders? What leaders? I belong to no party. The parties were created to divide the people and make for easier manipulation. The "electoral" voting process was introduced so that candidates who didn't have the most votes could win. Now that machines count the votes, there will never be another "true" election. I don't have "leaders" telling me to write this, I'm merely posting the results of my objective observations.
Okay, good idea. Let's categorize responses.
In my response I gave a full explanation, textbook style, citing Article 1, section 7 of the constitution. It was very detailed and articulate, with reasoning that is very easy to understand.
Your response can be categorized somewhere between nothing and barely an opinion. Your statement "rule of law is not tyranny" doesn't even really apply as a response. A sort of disconnect on your part is apparent. Your other statements are just your opinion, applied very thinly with nothing else. If I state my opinion, I will always follow it up with my reasoning for that opinion. You should try that.
Your argument on the healthcare law being unconstitutional was not the issue the Supreme Court was dealing with when they upheld the law.
Yes, tyranny has a specific definition, and nothing about the health care law fits that definition, let alone slaveAnd yes leaders. Your credibility doesn't matter that much. But when Leaders, often if the Tea Party strip, stand and say the silliness vomited in the op and those of similar stripe, they lose all credibility. I don't recall your opening post, but as I've seen these sections posted before, I've noticed that many who post them don't understand them. For some strange reason they think with next to no actual knowledge they can read and interpret better than the scholars and judges who have ruled on the. Now that's hubris. Understand, the Constitution is something the judges have read and consulted. It's not a secret.
You're beginning to display the telltale signs of a shill, but you're still in the "benefit of the doubt" phase. One of the first signs is the Mr. Magoo posting that display signs of confusion or dimentia. They need to establish this because all of their future posts rely on this feigned "confusion" to completely ignore every valid point you've just made. In this way, they keep the thread running in circles and no progress is made.
For you, it's too early to tell if you are really just confused or not but the red flag was that you threw in "let alone slavery" as if you were completely unaware that the slavery clause I mentioned in a previous post is in executive order 13603. I never said it was part of obamacare and I find it difficult to confuse obamacare with EO 13603. Let it be duly noted - I now welcome all shills. If you're a shill, I'm going to expose you, humiliate you as a beneficiary of my unparalleled wit, and then have you banned. I'd much rather have a true debate.
The thread is on ACA and the comparison to slavery. What are you not getting?
I work every day trying to improve it.
Maybe it was in your 10 page diversion into education.
What, exactly, are these improvements?
The suggestion that the ACA is as bad as slavery is a carelessly hidden insult to people who oppose slavery. While at the same time showing how the teabaggers are able to so easily make the comparison and draw a similiarity. In essence it's letting us all know that slavery was quite acceptable to them. And it's also showing us that the baggers are still whining and crying about losing the civil war and they still haven't go over it. They're using Obama and their ugly racism toward him in an attempt to fight it all over again.
Earth to poster, Dr. Carson is black
Michael66 to you. Lay off the insulting innuendos or I'll report you for harassing me.
Understand, the Constitution is something the judges have read and consulted. It's not a secret.
I work with college preparedness, and seeking to make more students college ready. I meet with high school instructors and and college faculty to see where disconnects are. I run joint sessions with each to improve communications and improve standards.
Which you started.
Precisely, so when something is unconstitutional for 230+ years, then , suddenly it's not. I would question the integrity of that judge. In other words, any judge who violates the constitution should go down for felony perjury.
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