Dozens of Major Businesses Have Left the US

[bubbabgone]

The debt increased under Obama, what did he spend it on?

 

[Linc]

The receipts decreased during Obama's first few years due to the initial loss of 4.4 million jobs in six months beginning in Nov. 2008.
The deficit is now going down to Reagan levels as we hit 54 straight months of private sector job growth .

The debt increased under Obama, what did he spend it on?

 

[American]

The receipts decreased during Obama's first few years due to the initial loss of 4.4 million jobs in six months beginning in Nov. 2008.
The deficit is now going down to Reagan levels as we hit 54 straight months of private sector job growth .

We'd have to have a booming economy with that kind of job growth, and we don't. And the FED wouldn't have to have the money printers on full tilt.

 

[gdgyva]

Solution is very simple.

Embargo all BK products from getting in USA.

delist all BK stocks and bonds.

Put BK executives and owners on the USA terrorism list. Banning travel and banking etc etc.

Sell al BK property to mom and pop people, for future USA tax paying food joints. Employing US CITIZENS at living wages.

LMFAO

are you trying to bankrupt the country?

one of the silliest posts i have ever seen

you win

 

[Fenton]

Really? Okay, let's try it and see:

Say the average working citizen pays 20% of his taxable income in federal income taxes.

Say the average corporation pays 20% of its taxable income in federal income taxes.

Say the average fat cat self-employed citizen (like Mitt Romney) pays 20% of his taxable income in federal income taxes (we include Romney because he operates as a corporation but produces no goods that directly contribute to the economy).

Are those three outcomes highly subjective and arbitrary? Or are they fair and commensurate with each other?

" Fat Cat "....enter in the cartoon characterizations that are at the center of the Democrats 1 percent false narrative.

First, those are different types of taxes you just referenced.

Second, Corporations should pay NO taxes in my opinion and Capital Gains Taxes and taxes on Dividends ( your Romney reference ) should be LOWERED, not raised Obama.

Even Clinton lowered Capital Gains taxes.

3rd, most Low income Americans dont pay income taxes and even qualify for Earned Income Credit ( a fat check )

 

[imagep]

...
For Democrat fanbois, never. They will never admit he has done anything less than perfectly. Any of his failings or shortcomings are blamed on the guy before him, while his inability to fix things must be the result of underestimating the damage... Which still isn't his fault.

Same for conservative bias.

What I don't understand is why the sides like to spend their energy blaming each other, rather than finding solutions. Even when the POTUS and both houses of congress are controlled by the same party, our leaders never significantly change the things that they complain about. Both sides have had ample opportunities to make these changes, but they fail to do so, over and over again.

I'd love to see a very active congress and POTUS both controled by the same party, structuring our government exactly the way that they present their rhetoric. It would either be a huge failure or a huge success, either way it would prove something to just about everyone, and unite our country against or for a particular set of policies, depending on success or failure.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

As the oldest one of four siblings who took my Parents to sick-call for 38 years at the VA,
I am very appreciative to our Defense dept. for everything they did for our family.


The Bush/Cheney kabal.

Can you imagine the poutrage from the GOP you defend if Obama had not reupped and used the Patriot act?

Bush had a veto pen.

completely untrue since Dems did not have a filibuster-proof senate for two full years,

Or else be painted as Unpatriotic, one of Cheney's favorite "NIXON" cards .

You really can't see anything wrong with the way Democrats are doing things, can you. Not even when they are the same things Republicans have done. Republicans never had a filibuster-proof majority, yet Democrats need one? Bills were passed without a single republican vote...yet republicans are so powerful they can stop all legislation?

You are a religious fanatic who believes in political magic. You are a democrat apologist. The levels with which logic gets bent or ignored is outrageous, obvious, and hilarious.

I don't think Republicans do any better than Democrats, but to think it's all Bush's fault or all Republicans fault in the face of the recorded facts is farcical. My 8 year old niece displays a stronger grasp on logic when she cheerleads the existence of unicorns.

 

[Linc]

Pretty cool to see Bush-43 and Clinton-42 together today laughing it up huh.

I meant to ask you if you saw that extremely long, leaning to the conservative, busting my ass post to you including Rep. Ryan and Sen. Coburn.

I doubt if I can do much better than that to you American.

How do you feel about the House and Senate only having seven days of work in September that overlap?
How can the work of the Nation possibly get done this way?
How is your President expected to consult with a Congress that wants to be consulted with?
If you were Obama, would you trust giving intel to GOPs who have already begun to slam him this week on ISIL?

We'd have to have a booming economy with that kind of job growth, and we don't. And the FED wouldn't have to have the money printers on full tilt.

 

[American]

Pretty cool to see Bush-43 and Clinton-42 together today laughing it up huh.

I meant to ask you if you saw that extremely long, leaning to the conservative, busting my ass post to you including Rep. Ryan and Sen. Coburn.

I doubt if I can do much better than that to you American.

How do you feel about the House and Senate only having seven days of work in September that overlap?
How can the work of the Nation possibly get done this way?
How is your President expected to consult with a Congress that wants to be consulted with?
If you were Obama, would you trust giving intel to GOPs who have already begun to slam him this week on ISIL?

The Constitution only requires Congress to meet once per year to my knowledge. I didn't see Bush and Clinton together, guess I missed it.

 

[Karl]

[...] First, those are different types of taxes you just referenced. [...]

All three examples for all three categories of taxpayers say "20% of [...] taxable income in federal income taxes".

How how are they different types of taxes?

 

[Karl]

[...] Second, Corporations should pay NO taxes in my opinion [...]

According to conservatives, corporations are people.

Why should a certain class of people not pay federal income taxes?

 

[Karl]

[...] Capital Gains Taxes and taxes on Dividends ( your Romney reference ) should be LOWERED, not raised [...]

Why should a certain class of income be taxed at a lower rate than regular income?

Bonus question: Do you think it is fair that a middle class person pays a higher tax rate than a fat cat like Romney?

 

[imagep]

Why should a certain class of income be taxed at a lower rate than regular income?

Bonus question: Do you think it is fair that a middle class person pays a higher tax rate than a fat cat like Romney?

More important than "fair", is it better for our economy that someone who is admittedly unemployed and not personally contributing to our society (like Romney) pay a lower tax rate than those of us who are?

 

[GBFAN]

Replacing Corp crap jobs with living wage jobs is "destroy 15,000 jobs" ????

Hows that?

Or do you mean destroying the idle rich that leech off the workers.................

.... and just where are those "living wage jobs: going to come from??

I know ... it's MAGIC !!!

 

[GBFAN]

So Bush is not to be held accountable for the VA system that was a total disaster in late 2008, along with every other thing in the economy ?

You mean, of course, the VA system that was identified as being deficient but which the Democrat controlled Congress refused to provide additional funding for? THAT VA system?

 

[Karl]

[...] 3rd, most Low income Americans don't pay income taxes and even qualify for Earned Income Credit [...]

I understand that today's Republicans think that, on a percentage of gross income basis, very poor people should pay more federal income taxes and very rich people -- including the people that are corporations -- should pay less federal income taxes.... less, in fact, than middle class people pay.

What's puzzling is that there are any poor or middle-class people that vote Republican

In any case, stating your Republican belief does not address the issue of equality in tax rate regardless of social status (I know you're opposed to it, I'm just exploring/debunking your arguments supporting said unfairness/inequality/class warfare).

 

[GBFAN]

Bush destroyed the VA, the Senate filibustered more VA help and the House finally gave a few million
last year to help begin to clean up the backlog from Bush.

Apparently you don't see that a war without money for Veterans when they come home is Obama's fault.

Yet this House holds the pursestrings and refuses to fully fund the VA.

Just look how long the senate filibustered the VA Senate bill before McCain could finally get it through.

And it was Obama who finally gave Vietnam Veterans a break with agent Orange .

Unmitigated lies .... you DO need to check your history.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Same for conservative bias.

What I don't understand is why the sides like to spend their energy blaming each other, rather than finding solutions. Even when the POTUS and both houses of congress are controlled by the same party, our leaders never significantly change the things that they complain about. Both sides have had ample opportunities to make these changes, but they fail to do so, over and over again.

I'd love to see a very active congress and POTUS both controled by the same party, structuring our government exactly the way that they present their rhetoric. It would either be a huge failure or a huge success, either way it would prove something to just about everyone, and unite our country against or for a particular set of policies, depending on success or failure.

It's because there's always an election in less than two years from now. As long as politicians are always campaigning, you're never going to see any of them with the backbone to do anything. Why we need term limits.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

I understand that today's Republicans think that, on a percentage of gross income basis, very poor people should pay more federal income taxes and very rich people -- including the people that are corporations -- should pay less federal income taxes.... less, in fact, than middle class people pay.

What's puzzling is that there are any poor or middle-class people that vote Republican

In any case, stating your Republican belief does not address the issue of equality in tax rate regardless of social status (I know you're opposed to it, I'm just exploring/debunking your arguments supporting said unfairness/inequality/class warfare).

"Fair share" is measured in absolute value by some. I don't use more road than you, so should I pay more for roads? I probably make less money than you as I am a full time student...should you pay more for goods and services than me, simply because you have the raw ability to afford it?

"Fair" does not necessarily equate to "equal". You think fair in this case is equal percentage, while some think fair means equal amount.

We are not equal. Nor is effort equal. Should remuneration be equal in spite of this?

 

[Karl]

[...] Bills were passed without a single republican vote...yet republicans are so powerful they can stop all legislation? [...]

The Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for about 6.5 months early in Obama's first term (Obamacare was passed during this period). For the other 5 years of Obama's presidency to date, and we can safely presume the remaining 2.3 years to come, yes, the Republicans are so powerful that they can stop all legislation (via filibuster or similar procedural devices).

Any other questions?

 

[Karl]

"Fair share" is measured in absolute value by some. [...]

"Fair share" is in the dictionary, and has already been explained/defined. You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own words. Babel would result (and when reading some posts, often does).

 

[Karl]

More important than "fair", is it better for our economy that someone who is admittedly unemployed and not personally contributing to our society (like Romney) pay a lower tax rate than those of us who are?

Well, 'contribution to society' is a subjective term and once you go down that road you fall into the trap of right wing semantic games (like trying to reinvent or redefine existing words or use social status as a basis for tax rate).

It is simpler and less problematic to set a uniform tax rate for all income, regardless of source. Of course the rich and the right would fight this, probably violently, for it would dip into their pocketbook to the detriment of the free ride they have been enjoying since Reagan's era.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

The Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for about 6.5 months early in Obama's first term (Obamacare was passed during this period). For the other 5 years of Obama's presidency to date, and we can safely presume the remaining 2.3 years to come, yes, the Republicans are so powerful that they can stop all legislation (via filibuster or similar procedural devices).

Any other questions?

So, there was a supermajority? I thought that was a myth.

Bills have been passed both before and since. Some with cooperation after the supermajority, some without. And aren't there several bills from the house waiting on Reid's desk?

You're a cheerleader and an apologist. An inconsistent one at that.

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

"Fair share" is in the dictionary, and has already been explained/defined. You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own words. Babel would result (and when reading some posts, often does).

Fair does not share a definition with equal. You can't cherry pick a definition and declare the matter settled.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

"Fair share" is measured in absolute value by some. I don't use more road than you, so should I pay more for roads? I probably make less money than you as I am a full time student...should you pay more for goods and services than me, simply because you have the raw ability to afford it?

"Fair" does not necessarily equate to "equal". You think fair in this case is equal percentage, while some think fair means equal amount.

We are not equal. Nor is effort equal. Should remuneration be equal in spite of this?

Theoretical questions, but what is clear is that Bush lowered taxes on income (which rich people have a lot of and working people don't), while he didn't lower rates on social security or other taxes which working people pay a lot of, and rich people don't.

Can you see the agenda? I can.