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What's your point?
Everyone in the world already knows that.
Our problem is with those who are terrorists, or potential terrorists. or who would change our laws and customs through intimidation and riots.
This is not a complicated issue and no race is involved. It is all about a religion.
Ah, so the "you're a leftist" claims had nothing to do with my actual beliefs, they were just insults lobbed at me like grenades. Gotcha.
And no, not everyone in the world knows that. There are a lot of people, especially on this forum, that believe that islam as a whole is violent, and that the sole goal of muslims worldwide is to destroy christianity and the west.
I deny that anywhere near a majority of muslims are violent. The number of radical muslims of the 2 billion muslims in the world is exceptionall small. We're talking about 1 out of every 3 people in the world is muslim, yet maybe a million radicals are trying to destroy the west.Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?
I deny that anywhere near a majority of muslims are violent. The number of radical muslims of the 2 billion muslims in the world is exceptionall small. We're talking about 1 out of every 3 people in the world is muslim, yet maybe a million radicals are trying to destroy the west.
Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?
Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?
But that was not the question. Here it is again.
I deny that anywhere near a majority of muslims are violent.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ack-algerian-gas-field-14.html#post1061370887I was responding to your remarks about turkey and secularism. But the survey also has a section on support for "Harsh Punishment" that certainly raises eyebrows
<<<About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; 70% of Muslims in Jordan and 56% of Nigerian Muslims share this view. Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries, as do 65% of Muslims in Nigeria and 58% in Jordan.
When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it. In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia.
Opposition to whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery and to the death penalty for people who leave Islam is even more widespread in these three countries; 86% of Muslims in Lebanon, 82% in Turkey and 61% in Indonesia are against making harsh punishments for robbery and theft the law in their countries, and 93%, 91% and 64%, respectively, object to the death penalty against those who leave the Muslim religion.>>>
same survey
The number of radical muslims of the 2 billion muslims in the world is exceptionall small. We're talking about 1 out of every 3 people in the world is muslim, yet maybe a million radicals are trying to destroy the west.
It appears to me that piracy and banditry are masquerading as Islamic jihadists. Radical Islam sucks, but it is the Sunni branch of Islam, or Wahabis in Saudi Arabia that seem to be the core of the problem, or not?
It appears to me that piracy and banditry are masquerading as Islamic jihadists. Radical Islam sucks, but it is the Sunni branch of Islam, or Wahabis in Saudi Arabia that seem to be the core of the problem, or not?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ack-algerian-gas-field-14.html#post1061370887
actually support for radicalism, though seemingly maintaining a minority, can represent a pretty significant segment of the population within some countries (i recall seeing figures like 20% before for support, maybe more). But the real issue is hardcore fundamentalism which does seem to represent a majority, or very close to it
Don't get me wrong, I think both islam and christianity as religions are horrifically violent. I however still can't justify calling 1 out of 3 human beings on earth violent for the actions of a few radicals.
Whether 500 years ago, or today, neither religions have changed in over 1000 years. They're both quite violent in nature, but a muslim isn't violent for being a muslim any more than a christian is inherently violent by being a christian.While Christianity has more than enough violence in it's past, I really question comparisons of it to modern islam. Also, I made rather clear that my figures reference a majority or close to a majority, not all
Whether 500 years ago, or today, neither religions have changed in over 1000 years.
Do you not even read what you respond to? From one post above that you directly quote: " I made rather clear that my figures reference a majority or close to a majority, not all".They're both quite violent in nature, but a muslim isn't violent for being a muslim any more than a christian is inherently by being a christian.
Pulling numbers out of your ass without a source is not making anything clear.
Christianity is founded entirely on the bible, and the bible hasn't changed in over 1500 years. We as a culture have changed. We stopped allowing christians to run around and murder non-christians. The religion itself hasn't changed.what a completely ignorant statement that requires one to ignore the large movement not only towards secularism in the christian world, but one of liberalism, as well
That's right, you're just saying most are, not all.Do you not even read what you respond to? From one post above that you directly quote: " I made rather clear that my figures reference a majority or close to a majority, not all".
Now, please explain to me how anyone can read that as a claim that all Muslims are violent.
I didn't see any links.you mean the source that I quoted extensively and can be easily accessed by clicking on the very links embedded into the quote?
Don't get me wrong, I think both islam and christianity as religions are horrifically violent. I however still can't justify calling 1 out of 3 human beings on earth violent for the actions of a few radicals.
Whether 500 years ago, or today, neither religions have changed in over 1000 years. They're both quite violent in nature, but a muslim isn't violent for being a muslim any more than a christian is inherently violent by being a christian.
Pulling numbers out of your ass without a source is not making anything clear.
Christianity is founded entirely on the bible, and the bible hasn't changed in over 1500 years. We as a culture have changed. We stopped allowing christians to run around and murder non-christians. The religion itself hasn't changed.
That's right, you're just saying most are, not all.
I didn't see any links.
Christianity has not changed over the last 1,000 years?
That really is a remarkable statement.
The Next One Thousand Years Of Christianity by Kevin Kelly
Christianity is founded entirely on the bible, and the bible hasn't changed in over 1500 years.
Christianity is founded entirely on the bible, and the bible hasn't changed in over 1500 years. We as a culture have changed. We stopped allowing christians to run around and murder non-christians. The religion itself hasn't changed.
The bible has not changed in over 1500 years. If you want to count society not allowing christians to murder non-believers anymore, then yes, I guess in that way it's changed.
However, your misunderstanding of how Christianity is taught from the pulpit today is really apparent here...While I can pull up on youtube any number of Imam's in the religion of Peace calling for the destruction of non believers of Islam, and in fact present leaders of countries as well. Can you say the same of modern day Christianity? I don't think so.
It seems you are now backtracking but you're wrong here as well.
Best you go back to the subject of the thread.
However, your misunderstanding of how Christianity is taught from the pulpit today is really apparent here...While I can pull up on youtube any number of Imam's in the religion of Peace calling for the destruction of non believers of Islam, and in fact present leaders of countries as well. Can you say the same of modern day Christianity? I don't think so.
from above: "Uh, I'm not sure you noticed, but the bible is a highly interpreted text. This is why we have all these different sects of Christianity coming to wildly different conclusions based on that same book. Hell, there are even liberal christian churches that are almost secular in character, clearly something that wasn't around 1000 years ago"
This really isn't about Christianity, however, any more than it is about Hinduism, Atheism, or Buddhism. Bringing in side issues does not clarify the problem.
Man, I don't know what to say here. I enter the thread responding to someone, telling them that most muslims are in fact not violent and trying to destroy the west, at which point I'm labeled a leftist and the goons jump on me. When I confront the attackers, they say no one ever even implied that most muslims were violent.
I then restate my case, which was that a few radical terrorists don't represent a religion of 2 billion people, then the same people try to jump on and explain to me why the majority of islam is extremist in nature. I think it's time for you guys to grow some balls and stop beating around the bush. Own up to it, you believe that most muslims are radical.
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