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Dow UP over 1300 point pretrade and now opens just as big.

braindrain said:
Keep telling yourself that.
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I've been reading responses in this thread since it started. Not seeing what you claimed.
I'm seeing a lot of posts where posters are pissed that Trump continues to cause chaos in the markets. And posters (non-MAGA) aren't liking it one bit.
 
Lycanthrope said:
BUY MAGAs BUY! YOU'LL BE RICHER THAN MUSK!
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I'm investing a substantial amount of my cash reserves this morning. Others are free to stand on the sidelines hoping for further drops.
 
ncguy said:
So you have nothing to back your posts
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So you want to pretend that back when the market was doing very well under Trump in his first term there were not liberals talking about how Wall Street isn’t Main Street.

Denying reality is never a good look.
 
NuffSaid said:
I've been reading responses in this thread since it started. Not seeing what you claimed.
I'm seeing a lot of posts where posters are pissed that Trump continues to cause chaos in the markets. And posters (non-MAGA) aren't liking it one bit.
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You seem confused.

I said that the left was arguing that the stock market doing well didn’t mean that Main Street was doing well back during trumps first term when the market was doing well.

So clearly you won’t see that in this thread.

But yes everyone should be pissed with the chaos that Trump is causing. Most maga are just to dumb to realize it.
 
Slartibartfast said:
If you can't handle your illogic being pointed out, it's not my problem.
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You are not pointing out anything illogical with my posts. You are simply proving that following along with a simple conversation is beyond your abilities.
 
I don’t think what’s happening is going to end until Trump is removed from office. He’s just too incompetent and stupid. But there’s not going to be the political will to impeach and remove him from office until we are all suffering a whole lot more. The following few years are not going to be fun.
 
braindrain said:
You are not pointing out anything illogical with my posts. You are simply proving that following along with a simple conversation is beyond your abilities.
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Reread my earlier statement if you can't find it.
 
Rumblefish said:
Here's the problem......

Let's say you're Nike and you make all or almost all of your shoes in Vietnam.

The tariff right now is...what? 46%.

But, Trump says he's willing to negotiate....and that "negotiation" may be on the tariff rate, non-tariff issues (alleged trade barriers) or a combination of both.

Until you know where the "dust settles" - if at all - on tariffs for your imported shoes....are you making any long-term investment decisions on where to make Nike shoes?

Long-term investment decisions, btw, that will eat a LOT of capital, cash on hand, and cut into dividend payments. Takes a LOT of cash money to build a factory in the United States.

And, it's not JUST the factories that make the final Nike shoe....it's all of the supporting factories that provide foam, laces, etc. that go into your shoe that are conveniently located (in China) near the final shoe assembly plant.

How long will it take for all of those smaller, supporting, supply-chain companies to relocate to US shore?

Meanwhile, consumer prices go up, up, up.

Which means politically, GOP/MAGA election chances go down, down, down.

So, 2 year.s ... 4 years from now is the next administration going to keep Trump's Tariffs in place??

You making 20-30 year investment decisions based on a 2 year or 4 year blip??
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I think this is all moving much faster than that.
 
longview said:
I think this is all moving much faster than that.
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Faster than what???

Faster than a factory can be built in the US? Faster than the supply chain can be transported from China to ..... Steubenville, OH or Wheeling, West Virginia??
 
Rumblefish said:
Faster than what???

Faster than a factory can be built in the US? Faster than the supply chain can be transported from China to ..... Steubenville, OH or Wheeling, West Virginia??
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You are the one claiming it will take years until the "dust settles".
I would reply that the impacts on the markets based on perception took hours.
The perceptions can change back quickly.
I am not sure the goal is to start making shoes in the US again, but to be on a more level trading field with our
trading partners.
 
dobieg said:
Market futures were flat until China announced retaliatory tariffs of 84%. Dow dropped 700 points.
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They were not flat prior to China's announcement. They were down -300.

Which makes this post...

dobieg said:
Was able to fill my buy order on a substantial amount of SCHD. Effective dividend yield of 4.35%. Crazy.
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...complete bullshit.
 
Allan said:
They were not flat prior to China's announcement. They were down -300.

Which makes this post...



...complete bullshit.
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You let me know when you get tired of being wrong.

Screenshot (337).webp
 
longview said:
You are the one claiming it will take years until the "dust settles".
I would reply that the impacts on the markets based on perception took hours.
The perceptions can change back quickly.
I am not sure the goal is to start making shoes in the US again, but to be on a more level trading field with our
trading partners.
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Reading comprehension.

I wrote, Nike (and other manufacturers) aren't going to make any investment decisions until the "dust settles" - i.e., what the final, final trade deal is with, say, Vietnam. And it's not clear what that trade deal is because, per Trump, it's not JUST tariff rates, but (alleged) trade barriers. So no one can predict what that final trade deal will be....will it be ALL reduction in tariffs? Will it be ALL non-tariff stuff (reductions in trade barrier), a combo?

Why would Nike make a long-term investment decision until that ^^^ is resolved.

And, that's NOT going to be resolved in 8-weeks.

And, let's assume that it is resolved in 8-weeks, what level of confidence that you have - as a Nike executive - that Trump's "deal" isn't going to be unwound by the next POTUS (as Trump has unwound 100 years of US trade policy)??

You don't think the goal is to start making shoes in the US again??? Then what is the goal? Because he says bringing manufacturing back to the US *is* the goal.

Oh "to be on a more level trading field with our trading partners"???

Vietnam is a third-world, "shit hole" (Trump's words) country. The US is a first-world (or used to be), financial powerhouse fueled by consumerism.

The average Vietnamese makes approx. $3,000 (USD) per year....the average American makes $30,000 (USD) -- no matter how you slice it, Americans can buy a whole lot more from Vietnam than Vietnam can buy from the US.

And, no matter how you slice it, wages in Vietnam will be well below wages in America.

What's a "fair trade" deal with Vietnam?

I also ask (for the billionth time) -- how does one eliminate a trade deficit between the US and Vietnam given those undisputed facts?
 
Allan said:
No one here believes you and the other MAGA's claims of bigly gains in a crashing market.

It's good to laugh about something though so keep it up.
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*shrug*

I posted the screenshots with timestamps. Apparently it gets you worked up that some are making money.


And like I've said previously, I'm down more than 6 figures in my overall portfolio. I've just had a streak of good luck in my trading account.
 
dobieg said:
*shrug*

I posted the screenshots with timestamps. Apparently it gets you worked up that some are making money.


And like I've said previously, I'm down more than 6 figures in my overall portfolio. I've just had a streak of good luck in my trading account.
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When you begin your post with a bold faced lie...

dobieg said:
Market futures were flat until China announced retaliatory tariffs of 84%.
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...nothing else you post has any credibility.
 
Allan said:
When you begin your post with a bold faced lie...



...nothing else you post has any credibility.
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Good Lord you're acting irrational.


Find any pre market chart and show us where I'm wrong. Just shouting, "you lie" doesn't cut it.
 
Rumblefish said:
Reading comprehension.

I wrote, Nike (and other manufacturers) aren't going to make any investment decisions until the "dust settles" - i.e., what the final, final trade deal is with, say, Vietnam. And it's not clear what that trade deal is because, per Trump, it's not JUST tariff rates, but (alleged) trade barriers. So no one can predict what that final trade deal will be....will it be ALL reduction in tariffs? Will it be ALL non-tariff stuff (reductions in trade barrier), a combo?

Why would Nike make a long-term investment decision until that ^^^ is resolved.

And, that's NOT going to be resolved in 8-weeks.

And, let's assume that it is resolved in 8-weeks, what level of confidence that you have - as a Nike executive - that Trump's "deal" isn't going to be unwound by the next POTUS (as Trump has unwound 100 years of US trade policy)??

You don't think the goal is to start making shoes in the US again??? Then what is the goal? Because he says bringing manufacturing back to the US *is* the goal.

Oh "to be on a more level trading field with our trading partners"???

Vietnam is a third-world, "shit hole" (Trump's words) country. The US is a first-world (or used to be), financial powerhouse fueled by consumerism.

The average Vietnamese makes approx. $3,000 (USD) per year....the average American makes $30,000 (USD) -- no matter how you slice it, Americans can buy a whole lot more from Vietnam than Vietnam can buy from the US.

And, no matter how you slice it, wages in Vietnam will be well below wages in America.

What's a "fair trade" deal with Vietnam?

I also ask (for the billionth time) -- how does one eliminate a trade deficit between the US and Vietnam given those undisputed facts?
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Two things, one this thread is about how the stock market is responding to news, and that can, (and likely will) turn around quickly.
The second thing is about Trumps goals and how long that will take to stabilize for say a shoe factory in Vietnam.
To the second I say that The US and Vietnam could come to an agreement quickly, that does not involve putting up a new factory in the US,
but does allow US goods to be sold duty free in Vietnam.
 
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